Guest alannamac Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 (edited) Hi, for reference for others who may go through the same thing, I just wanted to post the findings of the autopsy for my baby Red. My original post of his illness was titled Very Sick Grey...advice Needed Not Sure How To Proceed Or If To Procee just in case anyone is trying to look it up later. So here goes..... I am cutting and pasting from another message forgive me if it seems disjointed but I've written it several times. For Red it apparently was all intestinal and there was no immune response seen so it wasn't allergy, autoimmune or infection. They biopsied several areas of the intestine, kidney, liver, spleen and possibly other tissues but it all was so overwhelming I might've missed something. My vet said there was absolutely nothing we could've done even if we'd known. One of the vets in my greyhound adoption group lost her dog a few months ago to this exact condition I'm about to describe...she recognized it earlier than I did (by a month) but still couldn't save her girl. The overall rundown is he had a combination of intestinal conditions that were unrecoverable. If we had known ahead of time it was going to happen there was still no way to stop it and no way to save him.The conditions he had were a "perfect trifecta" all bowel relatedand it was going to happen no matter what........it was a train wreck of unknown causes and totally out of our hands...No cancer seen in any of the tissues analyzed, but he had protein losing enteropathy (PLE), lymphangiecstasia....where the cells liningthe intestine have completely reconfigured themselves and decided to perform a different function,mild IBD, and many intestinal lesions. No sign of autoimmune illness, it's completely idiopathic (of unknown cause)She said his kidneys had mild inflammation but were not losing protein into the urine.... the loss was all the bowel. Liver was fine, no sign of liver disease, spleenhad hemmorraged with severe acute necrosis (probably from the PLE but possibly from injury)My poor Red dog : ( I wish I had known so I could let him go sooner. I'm going to copy this post and put in the medical section in case anyone else is facing a crisis like this. Hopefully it may help even if just to ease the heartache. Edited July 2, 2014 by alannamac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rascalsmom Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 I'm so sorry. I lost my Jack to lymphangiectasia. He was losing protein, and an ultrasound showed a mass. Did surgery, and found out the mass was 'clogged lymphatics'. We put him on pred, trying to get it under control....but then he developed blood clots so we let him go. I fully understand how hard it is. Please don't beat yourself up for not knowing sooner--there wasn't any way you could've known. Quote Phoebe (Belle's Sweetpea) adopted 9/2/13. Jack (BTR Captain Jack) 9/28/05--11/2/12Always missing Buddy, Ruby, and Rascal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macoduck Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Thank you for sharing. Quote Freshy (Droopys Fresh), NoAh the podenco orito, Howie the portuguese podengo maneto Angels: Rita the podenco maneta, Lila, the podenco, Mr X aka Denali, Lulu the podenco andaluz, Hada the podenco maneta, Georgie Girl (UMR Cordella), Charlie the iggy, Mazy (CBR Crazy Girl), Potato, my mystery ibizan girl, Allen (M's Pretty Boy), Percy (Fast But True), Mikey (Doray's Patuti), Pudge le mutt, Tessa the iggy, Possum (Apostle), Gracie (Dusty Lady), Harold (Slatex Harold), "Cousin" Simon our step-iggy, Little Dude the iggy ,Bandit (Bb Blue Jay), Niña the galgo, Wally (Allen Hogg), Thane (Pog Mo Thoine), Oliver (JJ Special Agent), Comet, & Rosie our original mutt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackieDog Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 I'm so sorry . Quote Suzie aka CBJ Fly Sonic (b. 07 Feb 2015) and missing: Homer aka Atoscocita Homer (05 Oct 2010- 16 Nov 2021) Xena the Galgo aka Xene the Bean (? 2009- 6 Sep 2018) Jackie aka Katie aka Sun Blaze (16 April 2001- 14 April 2014) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinw Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Quote Xavi the galgo and Peter the cat. Missing Iker the galgo ?-Feb.9/19, Treasure (USS Treasure) April 12/01-May 6/13, Phoenix (Hallo Top Son) Dec.14/99-June 4/11 and Loca (Reko Swahili) Oct.9/95 - June 1/09, Allen the boss cat, died late November, 2021, age 19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greysmom Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 We lost a dog to PLE, as well. It's so hard to know what to do and when to stop trying to make it better. Quote Chris - Mom to: Felicity (DeLand), and Andi (Braska Pandora) siggy by Chris Harper, on Flickr Angels: Libby (Everlast), Dorie (Dog Gone Holly), Dude (TNJ VooDoo), Copper (Kid's Copper), Cash (GSI Payncash), Toni (LPH Cry Baby), Whiskey (KT's Phys Ed), Atom, Lilly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmom Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Big hugs to you. And a big thank you for sharing those results. Quote Star aka Starz Ovation (Ronco x Oneco Maggie*, litter #48538), Coco aka Low Key (Kiowa Mon Manny x Party Hardy, litter # 59881), and mom in IllinoisWe miss Reko Batman (Trouper Zeke x Marque Louisiana), 11/15/95-6/29/06, Rocco the thistledown whippet, 04/29/93-10/14/08, Reko Zema (Mo Kick x Reko Princess), 8/16/98-4/18/10, the most beautiful girl in the whole USA, my good egg Joseph aka Won by a Nose (Oneco Cufflink x Buy Back), 09/22/2003-03/01/2013, and our gentle sweet Gidget (Digitizer, Dodgem by Design x Sobe Mulberry), 1/29/2006-11/22/2014, gone much too soon. Never forgetting CJC's Buckshot, 1/2/07-10/25/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeidisMum Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Thank you for sharing. I lost my Heidi to lymphangiecstasia as well. Quote Christine- Mum to Betty (Nitro Ugly Betty), Hannah (Rj Have I Told U) and missing Heidi (Sendahl Eve) 04/21/2005-06/19/2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remolacha Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Thank you for sharing this. I hope it helps a little to know that you didn't miss anything and you did everything you could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4My2Greys Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Thank you for doing this. I know how hard it was. Hopefully this information will be of benefit to someone in the future. I hope you find peace in knowing you did everything you could have for Red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lillypad Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 So sorry for your loss. Thank you for having the strength to share your autopsy findings. I am certain it will be helpful for others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhead Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Thanks for sharing that. Hope it helps you too. Quote Mary with Jumper Jack (2/17/11) and angels Shane (PA's Busta Rime, 12/10/02 - 10/14/16) and Spencer (Dutch Laser, 11/25/00 - 3/29/13). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queenwinniesmom Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Oh, I'm so sorry. This must have been terribly difficult for you. Sometimes everything we do, every way we try to keep them safe and healthy, just isn't enough, and it's not our fault, or yours. He knew how much you loved him. Quote Nancy, Mom to Evangelina and Kiva Missing Lacey, Patsy, Buster, my heart dog Nick, Winnie, Pollyanna, Tess, my precious Lydia, Calvin Lee, my angel butterfly Laila, and kitties Lily, Sam and Simon My Etsy shop: http://www.etsy.com/shop/Catsburgandhoundtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galgrey Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Thank you for sharing. Quote Cynthia, & Cristiano, galgoAlways in my heart: Frostman Newdawn Frost, Keno Jet Action & Chloe (NGA racing name unknown), Irys (galgo), Hannah (weim), Cruz (galgo), & Carly CW Your Charming Princess http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=1018857 "It came to me that every time I lose a dog they take a piece of my heart with them. And every new dog who comes into my life, gifts me with a piece of their heart. If I live long enough, all the components of my heart will be dog, and I will become as generous and loving as they are." -- Unknown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Downtownhoundz Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Is this a genetic disease or just a draw of unlucky numbers? I'm so sorry for your loss.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradymom Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Thanks for sharing Red's Autopsy report. I hope you find peace knowing you did everything you could for Red. Debbie Quote The handsome boy Brady, mid-morning nap. The sun, the sun feels so, so, so good. I can't keep my eyes open ... ... Retirement agrees ... ... and the Diva Ms India, 2001 - 10/16/2009 .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alannamac Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Is this a genetic disease or just a draw of unlucky numbers? I'm so sorry for your loss.... I have no idea.....I know it's found in some breeds of dogs at very high levels and probably genetic there...greyhounds weren't on that list....perhaps some of the vets and vet techs with knowledge of this can chime in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuvEarsies Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 (edited) Is this a genetic disease or just a draw of unlucky numbers? I'm so sorry for your loss.... "The most common cause of lymphangiectasia was congenital malformation of the lymphatics. Secondary lymphangiectasia may be caused by granulomas or cancer causing lymphatic obstruction, or increased central venous pressure (CVP) causing abnormal lymph drainage. Increased CVP can be caused by pericarditis or right-sided heart failure. Inflammatory bowel disease can also lead to inflammation of the lymphatics and lymphangiectasia through migration of inflammatory cells through the lymphatics" - information from a google search, not sure which website had this info ETA-information reference. Edited July 2, 2014 by LuvEarsies Quote Bernadette with Jak, Horizon, Kota, Barnaby, Madison, Earl, Tiggy, Finney, Tommy, Woody, Tyler and Lincoln all at the bridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP_the4pack Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Thank you for sharing. I lost a 5 yr old to PLE 15 yrs ago. Half the doctors said it was the intestines, the other half the liver. Now i wish I had done an autopsy to know for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carronstar Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Thank you for sharing this. Red knew above all that you loved him. I hope this helps you find peace. You certainly did every possible thing that you could for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTRAWLD Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Big big big hugs. Quote Proudly owned by:10 year old "Ryder" CR Redman Gotcha May 201012.5 year old Angel "Kasey" Goodbye Kasey Gotcha July 2005-Aug 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatricksMom Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Thank you for sharing. I hope knowing you did everything you could for Red helps you find peace. Quote Beth, Petey (8 September 2018- ), and Faith (22 March 2019). Godspeed Patrick (28 April 1999 - 5 August 2012), Murphy (23 June 2004 - 27 July 2013), Leo (1 May 2009 - 27 January 2020), and Henry (10 August 2010 - 7 August 2020), you were loved more than you can know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverfish Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 I am so sorry. At least you know now that nothing would have helped or saved him - that might seem like cold comfort right now, but in time it might help to know. Whatever you do, do not beat yourself up for not letting him go sooner. If you had done so, you'd be beating yourself up for not trying harder so it's a lose-lose situation and better not to go there. You did all that you could. You made the best choices you could make, with the information which was available to you and you did it all with love. No dog could ask for more. Sending many hugs. Quote The plural of anecdote is not dataBrambleberry Greyhounds My Etsy Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EllenEveBaz Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Quote Ellen, with brindle Milo and the blonde ballerina, Gelsey remembering Eve, Baz, Scout, Romie, Nutmeg, and Jeter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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