Remolacha Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Poor boy, he looks so pathetic in that cone (but they always do) Could he be taking longer to heal because of his other medical issues? I hope today is a better day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moofie Posted June 10, 2016 Author Share Posted June 10, 2016 Thanks, been feeling quite down today I am so sorry you are going through this! I wish I had pictures of Ziggy the day he had this same surgery. I will keep your poor boy in my prayers. Have you thought about taking him to another vet for a consultation? Maybe we were just lucky but Ziggy never bled or swelled. I looked online at photos of enucleation healing over 2 week period and they had some swelling/bruising but no bleeding. Throp's visiting the vets in the morning & have booked to see another vet too because i think we need reassurance of another opinion. Poor boy, he looks so pathetic in that cone (but they always do) Could he be taking longer to heal because of his other medical issues? I hope today is a better day Its a possibility that the tumour is having knock on effect on bodies ability to heal, though the eye ulcer was trying hard to heal itself before op. Vet did suggest it was the low platelets but didn't mention it would effect how it would heal just potentially the clotting when found pre-op. I wonder if he has an infection tbh the patches seem moist and oozy. I presume its because of blood but he smells like yukky beef mince to improve the aroma for me one of the dogs (Hattie i suspect) did a ginormous dire rear splat in the living room its been a great day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeylasMom Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Glad you are getting a 2nd opinion, that was going to be my suggestion at this point. If there is a bad smell that definitely points toward an infection. I think I'd be demanding ABs either way, screw AB resistance. Considering that you're often given ABs prophylactically after various surgical procedures including tooth extractions and tail amputations I'm surprised you weren't given them, especially when he is clearly having issues healing. But I'm not a vet. Hope you get some better answers tomorrow. Quote Jen, CPDT-KA with Zuri, lab in a greyhound suit, Violet, formerly known as Faith, Skye, the permanent puppy, Cisco, resident cat, and my baby girl Neyla, forever in my heart "The great thing about science is that you're free to disagree with it, but you'll be wrong." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moofie Posted June 11, 2016 Author Share Posted June 11, 2016 (edited) Glad you are getting a 2nd opinion, that was going to be my suggestion at this point. If there is a bad smell that definitely points toward an infection. I think I'd be demanding ABs either way, screw AB resistance. Considering that you're often given ABs prophylactically after various surgical procedures including tooth extractions and tail amputations I'm surprised you weren't given them, especially when he is clearly having issues healing. But I'm not a vet. Hope you get some better answers tomorrow. Thanks, I assumed vets knew best on AB's & its likely a cleaner surgery site, but i did wonder why not at trying AB's when after a week still a mess. At the moment i fear were heading towards PTS Edited June 11, 2016 by moofie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EllenEveBaz Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 Froppy! Moofie! Quote Ellen, with brindle Milo and the blonde ballerina, Gelsey remembering Eve, Baz, Scout, Romie, Nutmeg, and Jeter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocsDoctor Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 :grouphug Poor Throp - poor Moofie! Hope the antibiotics help. I would also ask the vet whether a dressing of manuka honey would be appropriate - it is very good for promoting granulation. Quote Clare with Tiger (Snapper Gar, b. 18/05/2015), and remembering Ken (Boomtown Ken, 01/05/2011-21/02/2020) and Doc (Barefoot Doctor, 20/08/2001-15/04/2015)."It is also to be noted of every species, that the handsomest of each move best ... and beasts of the most elegant form, always excel in speed; of this, the horse and greyhound are beautiful examples."----Wiliam Hogarth, The Analysis of Beauty, 1753. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moofie Posted June 11, 2016 Author Share Posted June 11, 2016 (edited) Its been a better day, Throps wound had dried and hadn't oozed overnight still stinks nobody offer me any mince based meals in near future Our vets this morning said it looked better and yes there is an infection so AB's perscribed, i pointed out the smell so unsure if it would've been noted otherwise. Throp had a nice break having his massage at physio before going to 2nd vet visit.. I did wonder if maybe we were unnecessarily fretting but was relived that 2nd Vet didn't go "Oh looks fine!" tbh. He cleaned all he scabby dried blood bits off the wound & around eye area (surprisingly it didn't bleed again) as feels it is better able to granulate & heal when open to air and put on some silver based burns cream. The oozing isn't unusual & better out than in but should be straw or red watery liquid so change to darker cloudier ooze i saw yesterday isn't generally good. I was told by our vets this morning to leave scabs alone but he said i'm better to soak, remove and dry area, can use suducreme in a few days on wound. I suppose it may just be a different method. I think as he explained everything more clearly we felt reassured, he used to be Throps vet but he left for new pastures a while ago. I asked if usual to not give AB's after & they don't use for most ops like spays etc now, unless a high risk of infection. He did suggest given throp's issues he would be a good case to have used AB's, i feel more annoyed that they weren't given when healing was looking so poor than after op though. Now in awkward situation that we'd prefer Throp to carry on seeing 2nd vet & not wanting to upset our vets in the process as they are closer to home & good as don't demand payment upfront and do own emergency cover where most vet practices have outsourced it to vets now. Edited June 11, 2016 by moofie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatterseaBrindl Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 Glad he's not any worse and is now on appropriate meds. Stick with the vet you saw today. To me that is the obvious choice. Who cares what the previous vet thinks?! It is YOURS dog ... and YOU get to decide what vet he sees. I use two different practices for my horses. One I have had for ever and ever and I use for the basics...vaccines, euths and teeth. I use a different vet for any lameness issues. Each practice is very aware that I use the other. A good friend of mine is a Vet (she treats my hounds) and says people need go with who they ...and their critters ...are most comfortable with. Not all Vets are experts at all diseases/issues. Quote Nancy...Mom to Sid (Peteles Tiger), Kibo (112 Carlota Galgos) and Joshi. Missing Casey, Gomer, Mona, Penelope, BillieJean, Bandit, Nixon (Starz Sammie), Ruby (Watch Me Dash) Nigel (Nigel), and especially little Mario, waiting at the Bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmom Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 Hoping a corner has been turned! Fingers crossed! Suspect the ointment is what we call SSD, silver sulfadiazine, awesome stuff. We have used it especially when a wound couldn't be stitched. Quote Star aka Starz Ovation (Ronco x Oneco Maggie*, litter #48538), Coco aka Low Key (Kiowa Mon Manny x Party Hardy, litter # 59881), and mom in IllinoisWe miss Reko Batman (Trouper Zeke x Marque Louisiana), 11/15/95-6/29/06, Rocco the thistledown whippet, 04/29/93-10/14/08, Reko Zema (Mo Kick x Reko Princess), 8/16/98-4/18/10, the most beautiful girl in the whole USA, my good egg Joseph aka Won by a Nose (Oneco Cufflink x Buy Back), 09/22/2003-03/01/2013, and our gentle sweet Gidget (Digitizer, Dodgem by Design x Sobe Mulberry), 1/29/2006-11/22/2014, gone much too soon. Never forgetting CJC's Buckshot, 1/2/07-10/25/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeylasMom Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 Great update! Quote Jen, CPDT-KA with Zuri, lab in a greyhound suit, Violet, formerly known as Faith, Skye, the permanent puppy, Cisco, resident cat, and my baby girl Neyla, forever in my heart "The great thing about science is that you're free to disagree with it, but you'll be wrong." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greysmom Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 On a purely practical note, Throp isn't going to be a long-term patient for the first vet anyway, so I can't see how they could be *too* upset if you stick with vet #2 who is more familiar with him. Especially if your other dogs will continue to go to vet #1 for care. (I hope that doesn't sound bad. I don't mean it that way. Throp is one of my very favorite dogs! ) Quote Chris - Mom to: Felicity (DeLand), and Andi (Braska Pandora) siggy by Chris Harper, on Flickr Angels: Libby (Everlast), Dorie (Dog Gone Holly), Dude (TNJ VooDoo), Copper (Kid's Copper), Cash (GSI Payncash), Toni (LPH Cry Baby), Whiskey (KT's Phys Ed), Atom, Lilly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remolacha Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 Sounds like a promising update! I agree, first vet shouldn't be upset if you take Throp to second vet since he used to be his(Throp's) vet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiveRoooooers Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 On a purely practical note, Throp isn't going to be a long-term patient for the first vet anyway, so I can't see how they could be *too* upset if you stick with vet #2 who is more familiar with him. Especially if your other dogs will continue to go to vet #1 for care. (I hope that doesn't sound bad. I don't mean it that way. Throp is one of my very favorite dogs! ) Exactly. Containing to keep your sweet boy in my thoughts and prayers. Quote Old Dogs are the Best Dogs. Thank you, campers. Current enrollees: Punkin. AnnIE Oooh M, Ebbie, HollyBeeBop (Betty Crocker). Angels: Pal . Segugio. Sorella (TPGIT). LadyBug. Zeke-aroni. MiMi Sizzle Pants. Gracie. Seamie . (Foster)Sweet. Andy. PaddyALVIN!Mayhem. Bosco. Bruno. Dottie B. Trevor Double-Heart. Bea. Cletus, KLTO. Aiden 1-4. Upon reflection, our lives are often referenced in parts defined by the all-too-short lives of our dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moofie Posted June 12, 2016 Author Share Posted June 12, 2016 (edited) :grouphug Poor Throp - poor Moofie! Hope the antibiotics help. I would also ask the vet whether a dressing of manuka honey would be appropriate - it is very good for promoting granulation. Thanks i'll ask, i think my friends dog had manuka dressings or it may have been turmeric but does seem to be some options other than leaving it be. Glad he's not any worse and is now on appropriate meds. Stick with the vet you saw today. To me that is the obvious choice. Who cares what the previous vet thinks?! It is YOURS dog ... and YOU get to decide what vet he sees. I use two different practices for my horses. One I have had for ever and ever and I use for the basics...vaccines, euths and teeth. I use a different vet for any lameness issues. Each practice is very aware that I use the other. A good friend of mine is a Vet (she treats my hounds) and says people need go with who they ...and their critters ...are most comfortable with. Not all Vets are experts at all diseases/issues. Your right & we will go to whoever feel will do the best by Throp i just hate the whole awkwardness of it, easier if leaving completely. I already take Terry to a different vets just for a bigger waiting area to have distance from other dogs. Weirdly it was only because our vets didn't have a staple remover after Throp had a wound patched up while at the neuro specialists that i ended up at this other practice & bumped into vet2 (i hadn't realised he'd left) A good friend of mine is a Vet (she treats my hounds) and says people need go with who they ...and their critters ...are most comfortable with. Not all Vets are experts at all diseases/issues. i hope that's a common professional view as it seem difficult for it not to appear like that i'm criticising their abilities by switching mid treatment, generally i feel they do good job. With having multiple hounds they will still be getting my custom. Hoping a corner has been turned! Fingers crossed! Suspect the ointment is what we call SSD, silver sulfadiazine, awesome stuff. We have used it especially when a wound couldn't be stitched. Yes it looks like it was- flamazine, i'd forgotten what it was called by the time i left the room Edited June 12, 2016 by moofie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moofie Posted June 12, 2016 Author Share Posted June 12, 2016 On a purely practical note, Throp isn't going to be a long-term patient for the first vet anyway, so I can't see how they could be *too* upset if you stick with vet #2 who is more familiar with him. Especially if your other dogs will continue to go to vet #1 for care. (I hope that doesn't sound bad. I don't mean it that way. Throp is one of my very favorite dogs! ) I wish i was one of those people that didn't care/worry about what others may think, so all reasoning is good for me Nah not bad its just fact that Throp's on limited time & while were going to the vets far too often for my liking generally its lower value stuff, the practice's owner has already made ££££s from on his dodgy leg insurance claims Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moofie Posted June 12, 2016 Author Share Posted June 12, 2016 (edited) Feel free to scroll past these Saturday pre-vets Today, just given it another clean, still some more dried bloody bits to come off mainly below eye socket but its sore so only manage a bit at a time. Its like tar & the bits that came off today took fur with it leaving pinky skin. I'm trying not to get hopes up, but this weekend i think i see some improvement in his walking Edited June 12, 2016 by moofie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmom Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Give him some gently scritchies from us, please . And sending along some hugs for yourself. Quote Star aka Starz Ovation (Ronco x Oneco Maggie*, litter #48538), Coco aka Low Key (Kiowa Mon Manny x Party Hardy, litter # 59881), and mom in IllinoisWe miss Reko Batman (Trouper Zeke x Marque Louisiana), 11/15/95-6/29/06, Rocco the thistledown whippet, 04/29/93-10/14/08, Reko Zema (Mo Kick x Reko Princess), 8/16/98-4/18/10, the most beautiful girl in the whole USA, my good egg Joseph aka Won by a Nose (Oneco Cufflink x Buy Back), 09/22/2003-03/01/2013, and our gentle sweet Gidget (Digitizer, Dodgem by Design x Sobe Mulberry), 1/29/2006-11/22/2014, gone much too soon. Never forgetting CJC's Buckshot, 1/2/07-10/25/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnnziggy Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Yeah! I am so glad he is better and you feel better about it too! I wasn't trying to be negative, just concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiveRoooooers Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 You are so good with him. Quote Old Dogs are the Best Dogs. Thank you, campers. Current enrollees: Punkin. AnnIE Oooh M, Ebbie, HollyBeeBop (Betty Crocker). Angels: Pal . Segugio. Sorella (TPGIT). LadyBug. Zeke-aroni. MiMi Sizzle Pants. Gracie. Seamie . (Foster)Sweet. Andy. PaddyALVIN!Mayhem. Bosco. Bruno. Dottie B. Trevor Double-Heart. Bea. Cletus, KLTO. Aiden 1-4. Upon reflection, our lives are often referenced in parts defined by the all-too-short lives of our dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbhounds Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Wow-just seeing this now. An enucleation should never, ever look like that. Omg. I do hope this second vet will be able to provide better veterinary care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claudiav Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) i can't believe it got to that point either.... i can't imagine what could have gone wrong... but definitely some infection.... hope ABs are working and it is looking better, even if taking fur with it... poor poor pup please don't give up on him.... i was so worried when you mention PTS earlier.... Edited June 13, 2016 by claudiav Quote Image removed, not within Signature Guidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moofie Posted June 14, 2016 Author Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) Wow-just seeing this now. An enucleation should never, ever look like that. Omg. I do hope this second vet will be able to provide better veterinary care. It wasn't what i was expecting even though i know Throps left side isn't quite normal. I presume due to bleeding they thought better to leave scabs to keep clotted but i dread to think how it would've been if left like that till our next appointment on thursday going by the way healthier area was when fur has peeled off with blood. I i can't believe it got to that point either.... i can't imagine what could have gone wrong... but definitely some infection.... hope ABs are working and it is looking better, even if taking fur with it... poor poor pup please don't give up on him.... i was so worried when you mention PTS earlier.... Oh no Froppychops is far too special for me to just give up on & but last week he just looked so awful, he was struggling with walking, falling over, miserable and the wound just seemed to be getting worse with little reassurance from vets. With his brain tumour we've no way of knowing what the effects of having the OP maybe and seemed like he was just going downhill so PTS decision may need to be made far sooner than i was expecting. Very relieved this week that he seems more himself so likely down to the infection, mobility has improved a bit and even his coat is returning to a more normal feel as it was dry, yet greasy. I've split his meals to feed 3-4x a day to be bit easier on his system and as its soaked (dry kibble falls out his mouth) it should keep his hydration levels up. Tonight before we gave it a clean up, probably should've done pic after as got nearly all the scabby fur bits off his cheek now, but its already looking so much better. He wasn't very happy with me but some bread made it bearable. Seen this doggy Optivizor online which looks like it would be a better option for Throp than stupid cone but i don't have the funds spare at the moment so wondering what i could sell quickly or if i could DIY a version with an old muzzle. I did meet a little bedlington x at a show last month wearing their UV mesh visor as had photo sensitivity issues but at time i didn't realise we may need one to ask more about it. Edited June 14, 2016 by moofie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EllenEveBaz Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 He looks so much better and it's so good to hear he's acting like he's feeling better, too. So that must mean you're feeling better. Quote Ellen, with brindle Milo and the blonde ballerina, Gelsey remembering Eve, Baz, Scout, Romie, Nutmeg, and Jeter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moofie Posted June 14, 2016 Author Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) Yes much less stressed and although not there yet can see he is improving now and may get back to a more normal life for him. Edited June 14, 2016 by moofie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatterseaBrindl Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Glad to see a positive update Quote Nancy...Mom to Sid (Peteles Tiger), Kibo (112 Carlota Galgos) and Joshi. Missing Casey, Gomer, Mona, Penelope, BillieJean, Bandit, Nixon (Starz Sammie), Ruby (Watch Me Dash) Nigel (Nigel), and especially little Mario, waiting at the Bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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