greysmom Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Hopper's neurologist suggested we add some natural supplementss to his regimen, so I'm looking for the best place to get them - cost-wise, and certified amounts. I'm looking for Taurine (to help the seizures), Sam-e, milk thistle, and vitamin E (for liver protection). There is a supplement I could get from the vet called Denamarin (sic), but for Hopper's size (80 lbs) and dosage the cost would be expensive. The vet himself said it would be cheaper to do it separately. Where do you get yours? Quote Chris - Mom to: Felicity (DeLand), and Andi (Braska Pandora) siggy by Chris Harper, on Flickr Angels: Libby (Everlast), Dorie (Dog Gone Holly), Dude (TNJ VooDoo), Copper (Kid's Copper), Cash (GSI Payncash), Toni (LPH Cry Baby), Whiskey (KT's Phys Ed), Atom, Lilly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a_daerr Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 I looked into Denamarin awhile ago for Henry. Not sure about individual supplements, but you can get actual Denamarin on Amazon for a pretty reasonable price ($63 for a 30 day supply). http://www.amazon.com/Nutramax-Denamarin-Tabs-Large-Dogs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante2zoe Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 I have gotten some of these supplements from Costco, Puritan's Pride and the Vitamin Shoppe. Quote Cindy with Miss Fancypants, Paris Bueller, Zeke, and Angus Dante (Dg's Boyd), Zoe (In a While), Brady (Devilish Effect), Goose (BG Shotgun), Maverick (BG ShoMe), Maggie (All Trades Jax), Sherman (LNB Herman Bad) and Indy (BYB whippet) forever in my heart The flame that burns the brightest, burns the fastest and leaves the biggest shadow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiveRoooooers Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Costco has Vitamin E in a humongous jar for very cheap. Milk thistle, IIRC, is available in an extract and another form, be sure to confirm with your vet which is appropriate for Hopper - it's been so long ago that my great dane got it that I can't remember, except that it came from a health food store. Quote Old Dogs are the Best Dogs. Thank you, campers. Current enrollees: Punkin. AnnIE Oooh M, Ebbie, HollyBeeBop (Betty Crocker). Angels: Pal . Segugio. Sorella (TPGIT). LadyBug. Zeke-aroni. MiMi Sizzle Pants. Gracie. Seamie . (Foster)Sweet. Andy. PaddyALVIN!Mayhem. Bosco. Bruno. Dottie B. Trevor Double-Heart. Bea. Cletus, KLTO. Aiden 1-4. Upon reflection, our lives are often referenced in parts defined by the all-too-short lives of our dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest grey_dreams Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 If you do buy the supplements individually, it's best to choose a good manufacturer and then buy from Amazon. I prefer Solgar and Jarrow. I used to give Zuki the Solgar taurine, and have used the Solgar milk thistle. Human doses are averaged for 150 pounds, so most greyhounds can start with one-third of the recommended dose and go up to one-half of the recommended dose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeofNE Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Amazon.com You can get Denamarine without a prescription too. Quote Susan, Hamish, Mister Bigglesworth and Nikita Stanislav. Missing Ming, George, and Buck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFullHouse Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 I get Bullitt's Denamarin from Costco. You can also get SamE, Milk Thistle and Vitamine E from Amazon. Since I'm a prime member, I don't pay shipping on anything. Quote Judy, mom to Darth Vader, Bandita, And Angel Forever in our hearts, DeeYoGee, Dani, Emmy, Andy, Heart, Saint, Valentino, Arrow, Gee, Bebe, Jilly Bean, Bullitt, Pistol, Junior, Sammie, Joey, Gizmo, Do Bee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINMANPDX Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I buy my own vitamins plus human grade fish oil and glucosamine chondroitin for the dogs at vitacost.com. I like the vitacost brand (but they carry other brands too)and they often have stuff bogo half off or free with free shipping if you buy 25.00 or more. Quote Theresa (Tess) Mom to Elliott (Sol Flasher) and Lea (PTL Lea) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbhounds Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I wouldn't use anything but Denamarin. I know it's expensive but, it's standardized. As it hers have mentioned try amazon and Costco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FreeholdHound Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I get all my human & dog supplements from Swansons (swansonvitamins.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4My2Greys Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 (edited) I wouldn't use anything but Denamarin. I know it's expensive but, it's standardized. As it hers have mentioned try amazon and Costco. You can buy standardized Milk Thistle. I haven't found any Sam-e supplements to be standardized including that in Denamarin.Let me clarify, I could not find any where on the information page for Denamarin that indicates that the Sam-e it contains is standardized. I get all my human & dog supplements from Swansons (swansonvitamins.com) This is also where I get a lot of my supplements. Edited January 30, 2014 by 4My2Greys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmom Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I think tbhounds means, Denamarin is said to contain a listed, consistent amount of the active ingredient, S-adenosylmethionine rather than simply "milk thistle seed extract," which may contain varying amounts of the active ingredient you want. Quote Star aka Starz Ovation (Ronco x Oneco Maggie*, litter #48538), Coco aka Low Key (Kiowa Mon Manny x Party Hardy, litter # 59881), and mom in IllinoisWe miss Reko Batman (Trouper Zeke x Marque Louisiana), 11/15/95-6/29/06, Rocco the thistledown whippet, 04/29/93-10/14/08, Reko Zema (Mo Kick x Reko Princess), 8/16/98-4/18/10, the most beautiful girl in the whole USA, my good egg Joseph aka Won by a Nose (Oneco Cufflink x Buy Back), 09/22/2003-03/01/2013, and our gentle sweet Gidget (Digitizer, Dodgem by Design x Sobe Mulberry), 1/29/2006-11/22/2014, gone much too soon. Never forgetting CJC's Buckshot, 1/2/07-10/25/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4My2Greys Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 (edited) I think tbhounds means, Denamarin is said to contain a listed, consistent amount of the active ingredient, S-adenosylmethionine rather than simply "milk thistle seed extract," which may contain varying amounts of the active ingredient you want.I did a little more reading and it seems the major difference I could find is that Denamarin uses the most potent flavanoid silybin from milk thistle in their product, where as others, although also standardized, use silymarin. Life Extension however, has a milk thistle supplement which provides a higher amount of silybin (90 mg) in one softgel than is in the two tablet recommended dosage of denamarin, which would provide 70mg.Editing to add the link for the Life Extension Milk Thistle. http://m.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/Item01817/European-Milk-Thistle.html Edited January 30, 2014 by 4My2Greys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmom Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I wouldn't buy anything from the Life Extension Foundation. Quote Star aka Starz Ovation (Ronco x Oneco Maggie*, litter #48538), Coco aka Low Key (Kiowa Mon Manny x Party Hardy, litter # 59881), and mom in IllinoisWe miss Reko Batman (Trouper Zeke x Marque Louisiana), 11/15/95-6/29/06, Rocco the thistledown whippet, 04/29/93-10/14/08, Reko Zema (Mo Kick x Reko Princess), 8/16/98-4/18/10, the most beautiful girl in the whole USA, my good egg Joseph aka Won by a Nose (Oneco Cufflink x Buy Back), 09/22/2003-03/01/2013, and our gentle sweet Gidget (Digitizer, Dodgem by Design x Sobe Mulberry), 1/29/2006-11/22/2014, gone much too soon. Never forgetting CJC's Buckshot, 1/2/07-10/25/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4My2Greys Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I wouldn't buy anything from the Life Extension Foundation. And your reason would be??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmom Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Scam. Quote Star aka Starz Ovation (Ronco x Oneco Maggie*, litter #48538), Coco aka Low Key (Kiowa Mon Manny x Party Hardy, litter # 59881), and mom in IllinoisWe miss Reko Batman (Trouper Zeke x Marque Louisiana), 11/15/95-6/29/06, Rocco the thistledown whippet, 04/29/93-10/14/08, Reko Zema (Mo Kick x Reko Princess), 8/16/98-4/18/10, the most beautiful girl in the whole USA, my good egg Joseph aka Won by a Nose (Oneco Cufflink x Buy Back), 09/22/2003-03/01/2013, and our gentle sweet Gidget (Digitizer, Dodgem by Design x Sobe Mulberry), 1/29/2006-11/22/2014, gone much too soon. Never forgetting CJC's Buckshot, 1/2/07-10/25/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4My2Greys Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 What because they sell supplements? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4My2Greys Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I wouldn't buy anything from the Life Extension Foundation. Chris not sure if you feel the same, but if you do here is another Milk Thistle product that is standardized to contain a specific range of silybin. http://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-ultra-siliphos-milk-thistle-phytosome-300-mg-60-caps#label-panel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmom Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Making unsubstantiated, hyperbolic, and at times flat-out ridiculous claims of what the supplements do, marketing things for low-T (testosterone), etc. Scammy stuff. Supplements and nutraceuticals in general are a risky buy. Many don't contain what they say they contain and many are adulterated with other, sometimes dangerous substances. Quote Star aka Starz Ovation (Ronco x Oneco Maggie*, litter #48538), Coco aka Low Key (Kiowa Mon Manny x Party Hardy, litter # 59881), and mom in IllinoisWe miss Reko Batman (Trouper Zeke x Marque Louisiana), 11/15/95-6/29/06, Rocco the thistledown whippet, 04/29/93-10/14/08, Reko Zema (Mo Kick x Reko Princess), 8/16/98-4/18/10, the most beautiful girl in the whole USA, my good egg Joseph aka Won by a Nose (Oneco Cufflink x Buy Back), 09/22/2003-03/01/2013, and our gentle sweet Gidget (Digitizer, Dodgem by Design x Sobe Mulberry), 1/29/2006-11/22/2014, gone much too soon. Never forgetting CJC's Buckshot, 1/2/07-10/25/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4My2Greys Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Well if you get right down to it Denamarin is a nutraceutical. So then I would ask what proof is there that Nutramax Labs, the distributor of Denamarin, is any more ethical than a company like Swanson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greysmom Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 I'm looking at buying the supplements separately because, for Hopper's size, he needs 1 1/2 of the 425mg Denamarin tabs each day. A 30 tab package, even on Amazon is between $65 and $85 dollars, and that won't do me for a month. I *will* do this if necassary, but I would like to see if there's a less expensive option. Looking for reputable supplement dealers with standardized amounts tested by the USPA is why I began this thread. I can do my own research, and will, but I wanted a place to start. Thanks everyone! Quote Chris - Mom to: Felicity (DeLand), and Andi (Braska Pandora) siggy by Chris Harper, on Flickr Angels: Libby (Everlast), Dorie (Dog Gone Holly), Dude (TNJ VooDoo), Copper (Kid's Copper), Cash (GSI Payncash), Toni (LPH Cry Baby), Whiskey (KT's Phys Ed), Atom, Lilly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4My2Greys Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Looking for reputable supplement dealers with standardized amounts tested by the USPA is why I began this thread. I can do my own research, and will, but I wanted a place to start. Thanks everyone! I don't think you will find standardized amounts for Sam-e. What does U.S.P.A. stand for so I know what to look for before making any more recommendations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyTzu Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I wouldn't use anything but Denamarin. I know it's expensive but, it's standardized. As it hers have mentioned try amazon and Costco. Exactly!! Denamarin is designed for dogs to be absorbed and utilized by dogs. Denamarin needs to be given on a empty tummy, about 2 hours after a meal and at least 2 hours before the next meal. I have bought Denamarin on eBay and Amazon with good success. You cannot use Sam E and/or milk thistle as a substitute for Denamarin. And generally the dog will only need Denamarin for 6 month to a year. Everything I stated above was told to me and Kevin when Disco was diagnosed with Lepto in August of '12 by his million dollar Vet. By March I no longer needed to give him the Denamarin or the LD food. He is eating regular dog food, his treas, and is bouncing around the yard like crazy dog!! Quote Wendy and The Whole Wherd. American by birth, Southern by choice. "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!" ****OxyFresh Vendor ID is 180672239.**** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greysmom Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 I don't think you will find standardized amounts for Sam-e. What does U.S.P.A. stand for so I know what to look for before making any more recommendations. Sorry. It's just USP - United States Pharmacopeia. It's not an official agency, but one that is involved in (at least) testing and verification of natural supplements. On the advice of my own medical doctor, I only use supplements or vitamins with the USP Verified symbol, as defined below (from Wikipedia, which had the best, shortest description I found). United States Pharmacopeia: USP establishes written (documentary) and physical (reference) standards for medicines, food ingredients, dietary supplement products and ingredients. These standards are used by regulatory agencies and manufacturers to help to ensure that these products are of the appropriate identity, as well as strength, quality, purity, and consistency. Prescription and over-the-counter medicines available in the United States must, by federal law, meet USP-NF public standards, where such standards exist. Many other countries use the USP-NF instead of issuing their own pharmacopeia, or to supplement their government pharmacopeia. USP's standards for food ingredients can be found in its Food Chemicals Codex (FCC). The FCC is a compendium of standards used internationally for the quality and purity of food ingredients like preservatives, flavorings, colorings and nutrients. While the FCC is recognized in law in countries like Australia, Canada and New Zealand, it currently does not have broad legal recognition in the United States. USP obtained the FCC from the Institute of Medicine in 2006. The IOM had published the first five editions of the FCC. USP also conducts verification programs for dietary supplement products and ingredients. These are testing and audit programs. Products that meet the requirements of the program can display the USP Verified Dietary Supplement Mark on their labels. This is different from seeing the letters “USP” alone on a dietary supplement label, which means that the manufacturer is claiming to adhere to USP standards. USP does not test such products as it does with USP Verified products. Quote Chris - Mom to: Felicity (DeLand), and Andi (Braska Pandora) siggy by Chris Harper, on Flickr Angels: Libby (Everlast), Dorie (Dog Gone Holly), Dude (TNJ VooDoo), Copper (Kid's Copper), Cash (GSI Payncash), Toni (LPH Cry Baby), Whiskey (KT's Phys Ed), Atom, Lilly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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