Guest grandmagrey Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Our 7yr old beautiful brindle boy Evan recieved a bite to his left ankle about midnite last nite. He wasnt bearing wt so i took him to the local e-vet. Xrays were done w hydromorphone as a sedative. Evan wasnt sedated! In fact he had just the opposite reaction. For 9 hrs after the iv injection, Evan paced the floor, drooling buckets, shaking like a leaf, standing facing the corner, eyes widely dilated, and the most distressing look in his face. It was hard to watch my beautiful boy so miserable. I reached out to several vets whotold me it would pass...it did...but now he is exhausted. He has eaten a few treats, taken a little water in, and urinated outside. Thankfully, the bite did not injure bone, only soft tissue. He hobbles on 3 legs just to the water dish ..he wont drink when i offer it at bedside... My concern: he looks dry to me. His mucous membranes are moist, but not as moist as the other dogs' his eyes appear a bit sunken in, and the bones on his forehead are more prominent than usual. Im not sure when to worry, he did drink some! Never been through something like rhis before...what all is ahead? Evan has tramadol for pain which works...anti inflam...and atb. Any thoughts are appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwnedBySummer Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Aw, poor boy. You could try a low-sodium broth from the store -- I'd dilute it a bit. If you pluck up his skin, does it stay "tented"? It shouldn't, that's a sign of dehydration. Quote Lisa B. My beautiful Summer - to her forever home May 1, 2010 Summer Certified therapy dog team with St. John Ambulance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KF_in_Georgia Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 The hydromorphone after-effects may be making him queasy. It's possible he'll drink more when his stomach calms down. Keep an extra water bowl near his bed, so that if he does get thirsty, it won't be a big effort to get something to drink. Start worrying when his gums are tacky rather than moist. If he's not drinking by morning, call your vet. Your vet can administer water subcutaneously--and it won't require sedation. And if Evan isn't eating as well as not drinking, let your vet know. There's a drug called cerenia that can work against nausea. Only give the anti-inflammatory on top of a meal. That can be hard on his stomach. Go easy on the tramadol. Large doses can make some dogs exhibit signs of anxiety. I'm assuming that the anti-inflammatory and tramadol and antibiotic all were prescribed by the vet treating the bite. If any of these are left over from previous events, check with your vet before you give any of these on top of the hydromorphone after-effects. And now you know: narcotics and greyhounds don't mix. Quote Kathy and Q (CRT Qadeer from Fuzzy's Cannon and CRT Bonnie) and Jane (WW's Aunt Jane from Trent Lee and Aunt M); photos to come. Missing Silver (5.19.2005-10.27.2016), Tigger (4.5.2007-3.18.2016), darling Sam (5.10.2000-8.8.2013), Jacey-Kasey (5.19.2003-8.22.2011), and Oreo (1997-3.30.2006) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mld Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 What about Pedialyte, or some sort of electrolytes! Poor guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a_daerr Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 (edited) I have heard of certain medications having the opposite reaction on dogs. One of my guys was prescribed Xanax for fireworks. The vet advised that we try the medication a few days in advance to gauge his response, and wouldn't you know it, the Xanax did NOT sedate him. It made him a little wobbly, but otherwise very unsettled. It was just as you described- pacing, panting, drooling, etc. Pain meds can also upset the stomach, so hopefully he'll get back to normal once his stomach settles down. I also agree with the suggestion regarding Pedialyte. I get the unflavored kind and mix it in with food. If it doesn't appear to be getting better and he has serious symptoms of dehydrations (pale gums, skin not bouncing back), he may require IV fluids to get him back to normal. Edited December 12, 2012 by a_daerr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest grandmagrey Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Thank you all! So far! My instincts are right gums are tacky. Skin tents. He is very drowsy. All meds were just prescribed for the bite. He had a couple of crakers w peanut butter on them served in bed of course when i gave him his meds earlier. Drank maybe 4 oz of water. I have the broth from a pork roast, i bet he will love it. Gonna go fix it now. Any more help is greatly appreciated!! Gonna try to get thru the night and avoid the e-vet if possible. Thank you all! So far! My instincts are right gums are tacky. Skin tents. He is very drowsy. All meds were just prescribed for the bite. He had a couple of crakers w peanut butter on them served in bed of course when i gave him his meds earlier. Drank maybe 4 oz of water. I have the broth from a pork roast, i bet he will love it. Gonna go fix it now. Any more help is greatly appreciated!! Gonna try to get thru the night and avoid the e-vet if possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyTzu Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 In MY house for one of MY dogs, I would be giving a Pepcid AC before giving ABT's. As far as drinking, keep an eye of him tonight and if there is no improvement, talk to your Vet in the morning. Quote Wendy and The Whole Wherd. American by birth, Southern by choice. "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!" ****OxyFresh Vendor ID is 180672239.**** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambuca Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Try smearing some peanut butter on the bottom of a dog dish and letting him lick it. As hes licking, slowly add water to the bowl so that he drinks it while licking up the pb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhead Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Brilliant, Sambuca! Quote Mary with Jumper Jack (2/17/11) and angels Shane (PA's Busta Rime, 12/10/02 - 10/14/16) and Spencer (Dutch Laser, 11/25/00 - 3/29/13). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest grandmagrey Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Update: Evan drank about a quart of watered down pork broth, had a few bites if meat and smiled. I think we are on the right track! I'll give him some more in a bit., along with some of the alternatives you gave all suggested he will be back and healthy before we know it. Gotta hope this bite doesnt get infected...thats another hurdle.... Evan and I appreciate all the wonderful advice and quick responses to our need. *greyhound people are truly special people!* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubcitypam Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 (edited) And now you know: narcotics and greyhounds don't mix. No greyhound of mine will ever have any sort of Moraphine again. That was the longest pacing panting drooling night of our lives. Glad he's doing better...I'd water down the broth quite a bit. Have never seen pork broth. Edited December 12, 2012 by Hubcitypam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest grandmagrey Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Never again will Evan be given morphine derived drugs. There are other options. I know his pain is significant and hes doing ok on tramadol and rimadyl now. He still after more than19 hrs is having some of that horrible trembling of his hindquarters. The vet described this as normal. Side note: when i make a pork roast i cook it in a slow cooker. I rub the outside w fresh garlic, sea salt, and pepper i put about 1 cup if water in the bottom. This makes a rich broth suitable for gravy. Evan is more important than gravy. Ha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest IrskasMom Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 I would try as above said Pedialyte ( unflavored ) . Sending Evan lots of gentle Hugs and Kisses . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macoduck Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Hope Evan is better this morning. What, or who, bit him? Quote Freshy (Droopys Fresh), NoAh the podenco orito, Howie the portuguese podengo maneto Angels: Rita the podenco maneta, Lila, the podenco, Mr X aka Denali, Lulu the podenco andaluz, Hada the podenco maneta, Georgie Girl (UMR Cordella), Charlie the iggy, Mazy (CBR Crazy Girl), Potato, my mystery ibizan girl, Allen (M's Pretty Boy), Percy (Fast But True), Mikey (Doray's Patuti), Pudge le mutt, Tessa the iggy, Possum (Apostle), Gracie (Dusty Lady), Harold (Slatex Harold), "Cousin" Simon our step-iggy, Little Dude the iggy ,Bandit (Bb Blue Jay), Niña the galgo, Wally (Allen Hogg), Thane (Pog Mo Thoine), Oliver (JJ Special Agent), Comet, & Rosie our original mutt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4My2Greys Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 I hope the effects of the drug has worn off by this morning and Evan is feeling better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbhounds Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 What you experienced is a common reaction our houndes have to opiates. Call the vet that admin the drug and have them put an alert in his chart-No More Opiates! I'm glad he's feeling better today ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juliemac Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 How is Evan (and how are YOU) this morning? Please let us know more about the bite ... there are folks here who can help with keeping the wound clean and reducing infection (my favorite is Vetrycin spray) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a_daerr Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 How is Evan (and how are YOU) this morning? Please let us know more about the bite ... there are folks here who can help with keeping the wound clean and reducing infection (my favorite is Vetrycin spray) Vetericyn is the best! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kkaiser104 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Hey everyone! I came home last night (grandmagrey is my mom) to be Evan's nurse and for the holidays. Evan is doing much better today, at least, all of the effects from the hydromorphone have seemed to gone away. He's very creaky, and his leg is very swollen...here's a picture (it's the front left): Untitled by Katelyn Kaiser, on Flickr It's not the best but it gives an idea at least. I will try to get a better picture when he doesn't seem to be in as much pain. He's being an angel, as always, and is taking pills like a champ. He did go outside last night when I came home (he and Teddi are the best friends, he was so happy to see him!) and pottied, as well as eating a little/drinking a little. Evan's always a little vocal when sitting down, though it does seem to be a little louder today. He was on a different dog bed when I woke up, so he must have gotten up and moved around during the night. The bite was caused by a scuffle over a treat between him and our siberian husky, Akaila. Akaila scarfed her cookie down and thought she would just take Evan's. He wasn't having any of that, teeth came out on both sides, and she got his leg. At first my mom thought it was just a scrape, but after a few hours Evan was GSODing, limping, and toe touching with the foot. That's when she took him in to the evet. They did xrays just to be safe and concluded it is just a soft-tissue injury. Needless to say, the greyhounds are going to be separated from the other dogs when eating treats from now on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest grandmagrey Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Thank you everyone for your concerns and greyt advice. Thank you kate for your help! I can work today knowing he is in your capable hands. I am very interested in the spray to keep the wound clean. He was licking again this am. Where can i get that please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaineysMom Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 And now you know: narcotics and greyhounds don't mix. No greyhound of mine will ever have any sort of Moraphine again. That was the longest pacing panting drooling night of our lives. Glad he's doing better...I'd water down the broth quite a bit. Have never seen pork broth. yup. Rainey had SEVERE reactions to them too. Unfortunately, I stupidly forgot about it when the lady gave her the sedative shot when we let her go. Worst few minutes of my life hope your baby is continuing to improve. Quote Kim and Bruce - with Rick (Rick Roufus 6/30/16) and missing my sweet greyhound Angels Rainey (LG's Rainey 10/4/2000 - 3/8/2011), Anubis (RJ's Saint Nick 12/25/2001 - 9/12/12) and Zeke (Hey Who Whiz It 4/6/2009 - 7/20/2020) and Larry (PTL Laroach 2/24/2007 - 8/2/2020) -- and Chester (Lab) (8/31/1990 - 5/3/2005), Captain (Schipperke) (10/12/1992 - 6/13/2005) and Remy (GSP) (?/?/1998 - 1/6/2005) at the bridge"Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut." -- Ernest Hemmingway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinM Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 We always have Betagen or gentocin in the house al all times as well as anti inflam, pain killers (tramadol) and various antibiotics. You can buy from your vet or get a script and order online. Quote ROBIN ~ Mom to: Beau Think It Aint, Chloe JC Allthewayhome, Teddy ICU Drunk Sailor, Elsie N Fracine , Ollie RG's Travertine, Ponch A's Jupiter~ Yoshi, Zoobie & Belle, the kitties. Waiting at the bridge Angel Polli Bohemian Ocean , Rocky, Blue,Sasha & Zoobie & Bobbi Greyhound Angels Adoption (GAA) The Lexus Project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a_daerr Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Thank you everyone for your concerns and greyt advice. Thank you kate for your help! I can work today knowing he is in your capable hands. I am very interested in the spray to keep the wound clean. He was licking again this am. Where can i get that please? It's sort of expensive, but the best price I've found is on Amazon. You can get it at Petco, though. I always keep Vetricyn on hand for minor injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest grandmagrey Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Update: Evan is doing well. No signs of infection-- it appears to be healing well. His pain is well controlled w use of rimadyl and tramadol. Hes still on atb. He is walking somewhat carefully and goes outside to potty. Lots of tlc going on. The dog he had the tiff w is sorry...she lays near him a lot! We told her she hurt him! And this family has changed the way treats are given. No more chances taken. Also, we learned no more hydromorphone for Evan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest grandmagrey Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Update: yesterday Evan had his last Rimadyl. Today hes limping again!! Thankfully my daughter had some for her greyhound Teddi. I'm sure the vet will give us some more for Evan when i call tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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