XTRAWLD Posted May 22, 2015 Author Share Posted May 22, 2015 This dog just wouldn't settle. I know he's old. I know he's uncomfortable, but unless he just calms down, it will just keep bleeding. So utterly restless. The bandages never did really hold, so I gave up to try something else. I soaked the whole area with some CS to get it cleaned up, took a good look and the wound itself really isn't bleeding very much although the mass itself is very very angry looking. So, I thought the bleeding was under control when I put some gauze on it with three bandaids. That got soaked somehow after about 2 hours. Likely because he was just walking around the house uncomfortable..... Tried to wrap it.... and that failed Gave up. This should do the trick right? Put on one single tough bandaid and that worked all night long. Surprisingly uneventful sleep and he only got up 3 times to re-situate himself. Since the bandaid still looked good this morning I didn't bother touching it. Will take it off tonight after work and have a look. I will really need some better suggestions on how to take care of this when the mass is removed. If bandages won't stay for a little core sample and one suture, I don't think I have a chance when they try to take the whole thing out. Suggestions on how to wrap a bum? I'm thinking I might put some really long sanitary napkins from the top of his back to the thigh and maybe stick those on with tape to his fur somehow, but I have no way to put pressure on it. I was thinking a pair of spandex shorts, but where would I find them? Quote Proudly owned by:10 year old "Ryder" CR Redman Gotcha May 201012.5 year old Angel "Kasey" Goodbye Kasey Gotcha July 2005-Aug 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopeForHounds Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I will see if my vet tech friends have any ideas on how to bandage. When the mass is removed Amicar doesn't form clots it only helps to strengthen them. Exactly, that is why Amicar should be started before the surgery. Hopefully that should help with the post op bleeding. I suspect that the reason it bleeds is because the mass is a vascular. Once it's removed the cause of the bleeding should be gone. My first hound Miz Foxy had a vascular tumor removed. It did not have clear margins but never recurred. She lived another 4 years and her death had nothing to do with her tumor. Quote Casual Bling & Hope for HoundsJanet & the hounds Maggie and Allen Missing my baby girl Peanut, old soul Jake, quirky Jet, Mama Grandy and my old Diva Miz Foxy; my angel, my inspiration. You all brought so much into my light, and taught me so much about the power of love, you are with me always.If you get the chance to sit it out or dance.......... I hope you dance! Missing our littlest girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTRAWLD Posted May 22, 2015 Author Share Posted May 22, 2015 Exactly, that is why Amicar should be started before the surgery. Hopefully that should help with the post op bleeding. I didn't really have access to Amicar unfortunately before this biopsy (this bleeding was also completely unexpected), but I suspect my vet will give me some before surgery (and I will ask based on this disaster). Can I ask what the side effects of Amicar is - he seems to be urinating more often than usual. Quote Proudly owned by:10 year old "Ryder" CR Redman Gotcha May 201012.5 year old Angel "Kasey" Goodbye Kasey Gotcha July 2005-Aug 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopeForHounds Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I didn't really have access to Amicar unfortunately before this biopsy (this bleeding was also completely unexpected), but I suspect my vet will give me some before surgery (and I will ask based on this disaster). Can I ask what the side effects of Amicar is - he seems to be urinating more often than usual. I'm not sure, I will ask Dr Couto. I suspect the urinating is due to the fluids he was likely given during surgery. Quote Casual Bling & Hope for HoundsJanet & the hounds Maggie and Allen Missing my baby girl Peanut, old soul Jake, quirky Jet, Mama Grandy and my old Diva Miz Foxy; my angel, my inspiration. You all brought so much into my light, and taught me so much about the power of love, you are with me always.If you get the chance to sit it out or dance.......... I hope you dance! Missing our littlest girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remolacha Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I think for the bandage to stay on in that area you will have to wrap the vet wrap (or whatever you are using to hold it in place) up over his back to keep it from slipping. It will be tricky, and I am sure it will make him uncomfortable, poor baby. Your vet, or probably the tech, should be able to do this after his surgery. There are stretchy sleeve things that work well, but I still think it could slip. : bighug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remolacha Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 This is the kind of bandage I was talking about http://www.amazon.com/Curad-Tubular-Stretch-Bandage-Large/dp/B001MZKTI0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTRAWLD Posted May 22, 2015 Author Share Posted May 22, 2015 (edited) I'm not sure, I will ask Dr Couto. I suspect the urinating is due to the fluids he was likely given during surgery. That's nice of you, thank you! No fluids were given, he was just given a general anesthetic in the area. Kasey is weird with meds...he has opposite side effects to prednisone for example (not thirsty nor hungry but pees like a racehorse - sort of like water retention)....so I'm not sure what side effects Amicar would have, but I will ask my vet too next I chat with them. This is the kind of bandage I was talking about http://www.amazon.com/Curad-Tubular-Stretch-Bandage-Large/dp/B001MZKTI0 Oooooo, now that is a very very good idea. Thank you so much for the suggestion! I think for the bandage to stay on in that area you will have to wrap the vet wrap (or whatever you are using to hold it in place) up over his back to keep it from slipping. It will be tricky, and I am sure it will make him uncomfortable, poor baby. Your vet, or probably the tech, should be able to do this after his surgery. There are stretchy sleeve things that work well, but I still think it could slip. : bighug The first picture on this page was how the vet wrapped him, which failed to stay. But that webbing sounds like a winner, although I agree it might not be tight enough. Edited May 22, 2015 by XTRAWLD Quote Proudly owned by:10 year old "Ryder" CR Redman Gotcha May 201012.5 year old Angel "Kasey" Goodbye Kasey Gotcha July 2005-Aug 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bradymom Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 There was a diagram about using a long sleeved tee shirt cut. The tee shirt went on backwards what I was thinking you could wrap and put tee shirt or sock over it and tape that into place. There is a post here… http://forum.greytalk.com/index.php/topic/312408-wrapping-elbow-and-paw/?hl=shirt&do=findComment&comment=5808666and they are using a tub sock on a front leg and elbow, but I am wondering if you could do the same thing with a tee shirt.... Post #4 Also take a look at post #12 on this thread: http://forum.greytalk.com/index.php/topic/308158-hot-spot/?hl=shirt&do=findComment&comment=5719083 Neither were what I remembered seeing Debbie Quote The handsome boy Brady, mid-morning nap. The sun, the sun feels so, so, so good. I can't keep my eyes open ... ... Retirement agrees ... ... and the Diva Ms India, 2001 - 10/16/2009 .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carronstar Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I can't believe I missed this whole thread. Lots of hugs and good thoughts for Kasey. That webbed/sleeve thing looks really useful. I was thinking that maybe dance tights/leggings with one leg cut off and one shortened might work to keep the bandage in place while still allowing for full access for pees and poos on his walks. You might have to cut creatively on that center seam area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTRAWLD Posted May 22, 2015 Author Share Posted May 22, 2015 Thank you for this. It's given me a few ideas. I'm more concerned of keeping some pressure on it initially. With enough cleverness I should be able to figure something out with my mom and she could sew something together for me. Hmmm, now i'm thinking of turtlenecks.... I think what I might do is use Ryder as my trial boy for a stand in while I experiment with what might best fit. He's gonna hate me LOL You are all so helpful! Quote Proudly owned by:10 year old "Ryder" CR Redman Gotcha May 201012.5 year old Angel "Kasey" Goodbye Kasey Gotcha July 2005-Aug 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTRAWLD Posted May 26, 2015 Author Share Posted May 26, 2015 Got the news. It's not good news. It's Angiosarcoma. There are lots of options to pursue. Just letting it sink it for right now. Quote Proudly owned by:10 year old "Ryder" CR Redman Gotcha May 201012.5 year old Angel "Kasey" Goodbye Kasey Gotcha July 2005-Aug 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP_the4pack Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Aw cwap. What's his prognosis? I've had hemangiosarcoma of the spleen and body wall. Both were very poor prognosis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradymom Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 I am so sorry to hear this, cancer really sucks! Quote The handsome boy Brady, mid-morning nap. The sun, the sun feels so, so, so good. I can't keep my eyes open ... ... Retirement agrees ... ... and the Diva Ms India, 2001 - 10/16/2009 .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbhounds Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Angiosarcoma= hemangiosarcoma. Please contact Dr Couto ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carronstar Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 I am so sorry to hear this news. Big hugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHead Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Oh no So sorry about this. Thinking of you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remolacha Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 I am so sorry to hear that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTRAWLD Posted May 27, 2015 Author Share Posted May 27, 2015 (edited) Angiosarcoma= hemangiosarcoma. Please contact Dr Couto ASAP. (He may have actually said hemangiosarcoma but I didn't hear the hem part....either way, it's still the same cancer sadness) :'( We're fortunate that Kasey's specialist regularly consults with Dr. Couto and that he will be a topic of conversation when he visits Guelph for a seminar this weekend (if not discussed sooner). Next option will be an ultrasound to see if it has affected any organs and then go from there (the potential that it has affected organs is high). Aw cwap. What's his prognosis? I've had hemangiosarcoma of the spleen and body wall. Both were very poor prognosis. Likely won't have a full idea on prognosis until the ultrasound. I was told that surgery and chemo are rather successful ways to treat this, but that depends really on what is going on inside that we can't see. Thank you for your thoughts, we could always use more. I told Kasey when I got home.....his optimism is nearly contagious - he in fact had the biggest smile. "Have no fear" he says, he is still relatively happy. Edited May 27, 2015 by XTRAWLD Quote Proudly owned by:10 year old "Ryder" CR Redman Gotcha May 201012.5 year old Angel "Kasey" Goodbye Kasey Gotcha July 2005-Aug 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatterseaBrindl Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 for you for the handsome boy Quote Nancy...Mom to Sid (Peteles Tiger), Kibo (112 Carlota Galgos) and Joshi. Missing Casey, Gomer, Mona, Penelope, BillieJean, Bandit, Nixon (Starz Sammie), Ruby (Watch Me Dash) Nigel (Nigel), and especially little Mario, waiting at the Bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teri_d Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Hugs for you and handsome kasey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jto_MSU Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 So sorry to hear this news. Hugs to you and Kasey! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeh2o Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 I'm sorry to read this, I hope you get some good treatment options. Kasey looks like one happy guy! Quote Sunsands Doodles: Doodles aka Claire, Bella Run Softly: Softy aka Bowie (the Diamond Dog) Missing my beautiful boy Sunsands Carl 2.25.2003 - 4.1.2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradymom Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Hugs to you both, Kasey is one handsome hound! Quote The handsome boy Brady, mid-morning nap. The sun, the sun feels so, so, so good. I can't keep my eyes open ... ... Retirement agrees ... ... and the Diva Ms India, 2001 - 10/16/2009 .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTRAWLD Posted May 28, 2015 Author Share Posted May 28, 2015 Hugs to you both, Kasey is one handsome hound! Yeah, he gets ALLLLLL the ladies. Thank you all. Quote Proudly owned by:10 year old "Ryder" CR Redman Gotcha May 201012.5 year old Angel "Kasey" Goodbye Kasey Gotcha July 2005-Aug 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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