fritofeet Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 (edited) Lucy has stomatitis really bad, and it is time to do another dental. (Her last one was June and they pulled 12 teeth.) I think she has 12-14 left including her canines, but her mouth is so bad right now that even on a course of antibiotics her gums are bleeding with just a touch. She is miserable, and I have tried everything I could, but those teeth have to go. She likes canned food, it it will be ok, but I know I have read not to pull the canines, but I can't remember why. I've read posts where people have greys with no teeth at all and they are fine and happy, but was trying to remember why not to pull the canines before I talk to the vet again. Her canines now, even if I brush and rinse every day have ulcers around the base. She is fine for about 2 months after the dental, and then I miss 1 day and it is an avalanche and I can't catch up and fix it. TIA... Edited December 17, 2009 by fritofeet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mcsheltie Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Pull them. The immune response will not go away as long as they are there. The vet just needs to be careful that he removes the entire root. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burpdog Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 How old is she? With Pablo we controlled it with pulsing antibiotics and low dose pred every other day. Hers sounds more severe. Quote Diane & The Senior Gang Burpdog Biscuits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katy_3131 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 I think it is because of how deep they go, with that said, my 5 yr old male had an abscess on one and I had it removed, it has healed, but I can see why people would be concerned. Here is what it looked like: Quote Katy....Mom to Retired Racers Hinder, John Carter, Hobsen, and Kodama, Galgo Espanol Gichin, and the Village Idiot...Teko Missing terribly my fawn dog with the pretty ears Chance (Ale Seeyoulater) 6/21/05-6/23/15 Gotcha day 4/6/08 and my fuzzy baby boy Snacker (Tyville Snacker) 7/4/04-10/23/15, and all three of my IG babies, Isen, Tien, and Java. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fritofeet Posted December 11, 2009 Author Share Posted December 11, 2009 How old is she? With Pablo we controlled it with pulsing antibiotics and low dose pred every other day. Hers sounds more severe. She is going to be....(counting on my fingers here) 12? lol I thought she was 12 last year...obviously I can't count. Pulse therapy isn't working. She can't keep her tongue in her mouth anyway, and since her stroke is is really a happy girl except when eating dinner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KennelMom Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Vets don't like to pull 'em, esp if they aren't loose b/c they are HUGE teeth. There's a chance the gum won't heal (Erin had a hole in her upper gum for years) and there's a chance that the jaw can break, esp the lower jaw. when Grandpa had his last dental, the vet pulled all of his remaining teeth - the four canines and the itty bitties in between, top and bottom. He recovered quickly and was SO MUCH happier to have those bad teeth out of his head! I'd told the vet it was "now or never" so pull what she could b/c it'd be his last dental (he was nearly 14 at the time and had some other health issues). The vet said she felt like a butcher, but knew it had to be done. I left the decision up to the vet to decide at "game time" if she felt comfortable removing all or some of the canines during the dental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackandBrindle Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Pull the canines. I think they don't like doing it because of jaw formation and how deep they go, but her mouth won't get better while she has teeth to have tartar. If you are going to get a dental for her anyway, and it's her last one, I'd just pull all the teeth and be done with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xan Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Yikes! That's scary, but it obviously needs to happen so her mouth has a chance to heal. I seem to remember reading that the jaw can break during the surgery, which may be what you're remembering too? Anyway, keep us informed! Hugs to the lovely Lucy! Quote My Inspirations: Grey Pogo, borzoi Katie, Meep the cat, AND MY BELOVED DH!!!Missing Rowdy, Coco, Brilly, Happy and Wabi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burpdog Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Have you tried low dose pred? When did she have her stroke? I did Slick's when he was 13 1/2 and I'd not do it again at that age, or I'd try the heck out of other things. He was miserable. I think Dr. Couto's other "fix" for stmatitis was dyclsporin. Because of her age I think I would go ahead and pull them now. You certainly don't want to wait till she is older. edited: this reply box doesn't show for me at work so please excuse typos. Quote Diane & The Senior Gang Burpdog Biscuits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendie Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Joe had his upper canines removed at nearly two years ago (and he's only 7) and he has done great without them, nor did he have any problems during the removal/recovery. Quote Forever in my Heart Joe T Greyhound, Charly Bear, Angel Daisy, and Katze & Buzz Kitty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katy_3131 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 (edited) Yikes! That's scary, but it obviously needs to happen so her mouth has a chance to heal. I seem to remember reading that the jaw can break during the surgery, which may be what you're remembering too? Anyway, keep us informed! Hugs to the lovely Lucy! I would say that it could break, but I was told the same thing about MY jaw when I had my two impacted wisdom teeth out... Edited December 11, 2009 by Katy_3131 Quote Katy....Mom to Retired Racers Hinder, John Carter, Hobsen, and Kodama, Galgo Espanol Gichin, and the Village Idiot...Teko Missing terribly my fawn dog with the pretty ears Chance (Ale Seeyoulater) 6/21/05-6/23/15 Gotcha day 4/6/08 and my fuzzy baby boy Snacker (Tyville Snacker) 7/4/04-10/23/15, and all three of my IG babies, Isen, Tien, and Java. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fritofeet Posted December 15, 2009 Author Share Posted December 15, 2009 Lucy is going in for her dental on Thursday morning, and we will go by what the vet recommends/feels comfortable with. Think good thoughts for us please, and I'll keep you posted on the outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xan Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Good thoughts are a-thinking!! We'll be waiting to hear how it goes! Quote My Inspirations: Grey Pogo, borzoi Katie, Meep the cat, AND MY BELOVED DH!!!Missing Rowdy, Coco, Brilly, Happy and Wabi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiveRoooooers Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Good luck, let us know how it goes. Zeke-aroni arrived here minus an upper canine that had been pulled after he caught it on a fence (?). I had both Zeke-aroni and LadyBug go in for their dentals (between them, 19 teeth were removed) and Zeke-aroni's other upper canine was pulled. (See pic on greyhoundgang.org contest.) He did fine, both with the proc and follow-up, although there was a quite large hole for a while. I'm thinking of making a necklace ... Quote Old Dogs are the Best Dogs. Thank you, campers. Current enrollees: Punkin. AnnIE Oooh M Angels: Pal . Segugio. Sorella (TPGIT). LadyBug. Zeke-aroni. MiMi Sizzle Pants. Gracie. Seamie . (Foster)Sweet. Andy. PaddyALVIN!Mayhem. Bosco. Bruno. Dottie B. Trevor Double-Heart. Bea. Cletus, KLTO. Aiden 1-4. Upon reflection, our lives are often referenced in parts defined by the all-too-short lives of our dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigorangedog Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 My Chester had all but one of his teeth pulled, but he was younger at the time (only 7). Amazing that his teeth could've been so bad at that age. They left one bottom canine because the vet said, 'Amazingly that one tooth was in perfect shape.' A week after surgery he was eating kibble like everyone else. He looks goofy as heck and his tongue never stays in his mouth, but I think he is much happier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Greytluv Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Fortunately all my dogs have good teeth so far. Sending good thoughts for Lucy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyWrangler Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Have them pull as many as they need to. Sprite did so much better without diseased teeth in her mouth, she lost most of them at 10 and made it to 15. The hole from the canine did take a while to heal, but that didn't stop her from chowing down. She also had a hole in septum which was discovered when they were flushing the hole once and it came out the other nostril, lol. Quote Nancy and Grace - Andicot 2/1/07 Solo - Flying Han Solo 3/20/11 Missing: Murphy, Shine, Kim, Sprite, Red Dog, Lottie & Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xan Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Sending good thoughts out for Lucy for tomorrow morning .... Quote My Inspirations: Grey Pogo, borzoi Katie, Meep the cat, AND MY BELOVED DH!!!Missing Rowdy, Coco, Brilly, Happy and Wabi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendie Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Sending good thoughts! Quote Forever in my Heart Joe T Greyhound, Charly Bear, Angel Daisy, and Katze & Buzz Kitty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fritofeet Posted December 17, 2009 Author Share Posted December 17, 2009 I haven't heard anything yet...I'm hoping they got a late start. I left the vet at 8:15 after the consult. The vet said the same thing...her worries were in taking the canines as well, she might leave the bottom ones but she would have to see how it went. I felt comfortable leaving Lucy with her, which is nice after the last couple of vet fiascos. Bleh, I hate this waiting though.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burpdog Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Been thinking about you/her all day. Hope you have good news soon. Quote Diane & The Senior Gang Burpdog Biscuits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meandmy Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Sorry you haven't heard. I've been checking this thread throughout the day for updates. I hope all went well and your girl is back home with you soon Quote Jenn, missing Shadow (Wickford Big Tom), Pretty Girl (C's Pretty) and Tori (Santoria) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xan Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Checking in, and sending good thoughts .... Quote My Inspirations: Grey Pogo, borzoi Katie, Meep the cat, AND MY BELOVED DH!!!Missing Rowdy, Coco, Brilly, Happy and Wabi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fritofeet Posted December 17, 2009 Author Share Posted December 17, 2009 Lucy had a loooooong 3.5 hours in surgery. All her teefers are out, and I get to pick her up about 5. I'll keep you posted. Thanks for the good thoughts, we both appreciate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burpdog Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Ouch. Hopefully in the long run she will feel much better! Quote Diane & The Senior Gang Burpdog Biscuits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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