ShantisMom Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 I just got a message from my inlaws. There Golden Retriever was in a "horrible accident". I don't know what happened. He has suffered some sort of spinal injury that is paralyzing his back legs. There was mention of PEG (Poly Ethylene Glycol sp?) could be used within 72 hours of injury. ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS??? I am trying to get more details. They are camping somewhere and I left a message on there cell which is what they told me to call. They were asking if I could help search on this...hence asking here! THANK YOU. Quote The Girls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burpdog Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Purdue University's Center for Paralysis has helped dogs with spinal injuries by injecting the liquid polymer PEG within 72 hours of the trauma. According to the center's director--Dr. Borgens, the Mari Hulman George Professor of Applied Neuroscience and Professor of Biomedical Engineering at Purdue University and the director of the Institute for Applied Neurology, Center for Paralysis Research through the University's School of Veterinary Medicine--nearly 75% of the dogs treated with PEG were able to resume normal lives. I suggest their vet get ahold of Purdue asap Sending prayers. Quote Diane & The Senior Gang Burpdog Biscuits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CindiLuvsGreys Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Never heard of it but I'm sure whatever vet they take him to will know what to do. Sending prayers he is okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geesh Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 (edited) Dont know what MED this is.. Perhaps you could call Kansas State Vetenary School & ask them about the treatment.. Sorry for the news & praying for the best ! Bill College of Veterinary Medicine Teaching Hospital Manhattan, KS 66506 Small Animal Desk 785-532-5690 Large Animal Desk 785-532-5700 E-mail sarck@vet.k-state.edu Edited March 5, 2009 by Geesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jurishound Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 (edited) This is a four year old article - but it appears that Perdue U is leading the research on this - it might be best to get him to the nearest teaching hospital and perhaps the treating vet can call someone there: http://www.sciencentral.com/articles/view....le_id=218392473 Contact Info: http://www.vet.purdue.edu/cpr/form.html ETA: Looks like I'm last out of the gate with this suggestion! Edited March 5, 2009 by jurishound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShantisMom Posted March 5, 2009 Author Share Posted March 5, 2009 I just found the article as well. Interesting! Takes a dog from 20% to 80% recovery. Thanks!!! I hate this stuff when it happens!!! Quote The Girls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahicks51 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Provided they can find a doctor that is willing to administer it, go for it. Quote Coco (Maze Cocodrillo) Minerva (Kid's Snipper) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spider9174 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 (edited) that's very interesting. PEG...poly ethylene glycol...AKA Antifreeze ETA: INCORRECT - just in case nobody reads after this. Edited March 6, 2009 by Trudy INCORRECT INFO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaisyDoodle Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 that's very interesting. PEG...poly ethylene glycol...AKA Antifreeze I'm pretty sure antifreeze is ethylene glycol. Poly-ethylene glycol is not toxic and is actually used in foods as a softening agent--like cookies that remain soft in the package. Quote DonnaMolly the Border Collie & Poquita the American-born Podenga Bridge Babies: Daisy (Positive Delta) 8/7/2000 - 4/6/2115, Agnes--angel Sage's baby (Regall Rosario) 11/12/01 - 12/18/13, Lucky the mix (Found, w 10 puppies 8/96-Bridge 7/28/11, app. age 16) & CoCo (Cosmo Comet) 12/28/89-5/4/04 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShantisMom Posted March 5, 2009 Author Share Posted March 5, 2009 that's very interesting. PEG...poly ethylene glycol...AKA Antifreeze And here I always thought Antifreeze was deadly. I have emailed them all the links as well as several more. I also sent them a vet specialist here that I took Shanti to. They have treated several greys that I know of as well as lots of other breeds. I want to know, and need to know what happened?!?!?!? Did he get run over? Did he run into something? Did something fall on him? I think it would be helpful explaining this to the vets I am calling. Good thing they know me so well from Shanti. Daisydoodle you are right. It is one molicule off of antifreeze or something. It is also used as a laxitive. Go figure? Quote The Girls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahicks51 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 that's very interesting. PEG...poly ethylene glycol...AKA Antifreeze I'm pretty sure antifreeze is ethylene glycol. Poly-ethylene glycol is not toxic and is actually used in foods as a softening agent--like cookies that remain soft in the package. That's exactly it. Ethylene glycol is very different chemically from its polymer, polyethylene glycol. Ethylene is an explosive gas. Polymerized, it makes a nice milk jug (polyethylene). Properties change radically with polymerization. Quote Coco (Maze Cocodrillo) Minerva (Kid's Snipper) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP_the4pack Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 that's very interesting. PEG...poly ethylene glycol...AKA Antifreeze laxative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spider9174 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 ah...right. yes, the polymer is different. I wasn't reading correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShantisMom Posted March 5, 2009 Author Share Posted March 5, 2009 Okay, talked to my inlaws. I found out what happened. I did not lay into them right now as they are paying pretty dearly. I will save the tie out lecture for a later date. Buddy was tied up on a long lead outside the motorhome. There were peacocks at the campgrounds. Buddy went after one full force but was tangled in the lead. It apparently wrapped around his neck from what they could tell. This happened at 11:30 yesterday. He has been to a vet office and is now at a surgery center in Ventura. Xrays show nothing broken or chipped. The options now are MRI or CAT scan. Both very expensive approx. $1800. Then surgery estimated between $5,000 to 10,000. There will probably be permanent issues they will have to deal with...obviously. Right now he is on a solumedrol drip. But the vet does not like giving it due to side effects. They asked about the PEG. They said it was only experimental and had side effects that concerned them. I saw no bad side effects in the article. I have passed all the information on to them. They are going to try to stabalize and bring him home tomorrow to see his regular vet. I am mad, sad and I don't know if there is a darn thing that can help this poor dog. Quote The Girls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remolacha Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 I am sorry for your inlaws and their dog, I hope he is able to recover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahicks51 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 They said it was only experimental and had side effects that concerned them. I saw no bad side effects in the article. I have passed all the information on to them. They are going to try to stabalize and bring him home tomorrow to see his regular vet. Research papers, in my experience, are glib at best when it comes to unintended consequences of the proposed treatment venue. Hopefully the pup will do okay. Quote Coco (Maze Cocodrillo) Minerva (Kid's Snipper) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MandysMom Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 No advice, but sending prayers. Quote Beverly. Missing my happy toy-flinging boy Sammy (Where's Mandrill), (8/12/2009-9/30-2021) Desperately missing my angel Mandy (BB's Luv) [7/1/2000 - 9/18/2012]. Always missing Meg the Dalmatian and Ralph Malph the Pekeapoo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShantisMom Posted March 5, 2009 Author Share Posted March 5, 2009 So many things are going through my mind right now. They are hoping to bring him home tomorrow. Here are my concerns. 1. spinal injury! 2. Not planning on doing a MRI or CAT scan right now to find out what damage is done. 3. Transporting him in a motorhome that will bounce around like crazy! Again, spinal injury! If he gets bounced around, that can't be good. Are they putting him at more risk???? Quote The Girls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grey14me Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 hopefully this is the place they're at clicky these people are amazing and I can't imagine that the dog could get better care any closer to their home Quote Michelle...forever missing her girls, Holly 5/22/99-9/13/10 and Bailey 8/1/93-7/11/05 Religion is the smile on a dog...Edie Brickell Wag more, bark less :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vinnie Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Oh my, poor puppers. Hope they do not have him bouncing all over in a motorhome if it is a spinal injury. My body hurts just thinking of that. Keeping all in our prayers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShantisMom Posted March 5, 2009 Author Share Posted March 5, 2009 hopefully this is the place they're at clicky these people are amazing and I can't imagine that the dog could get better care any closer to their home I left them a message about this place. I hope that is where he is. I spoke to my friend who is a vet tech and dates a vet about it. She suggested if they MUST move him (which she would not do) they need to talk to the vet about sedation for the journey. He needs to be still and secured. This PEG if it can be done has to be done within 72 hours and we are over 24 now. Quote The Girls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShantisMom Posted March 6, 2009 Author Share Posted March 6, 2009 hopefully this is the place they're at clicky these people are amazing and I can't imagine that the dog could get better care any closer to their home Michelle this is where Buddy is at the moment. That was comforting! They are going to bring him down here tomorrow. The hospital will sedate and secure him. They are removing the table from the RV. They will be taking him down to Dr. Berry at Southern California Vetrinary Specialty Hospital. He specializes in spinal injuries. Shanti was seen there. They are great too. I think they want him closer to home not knowing how long this will be. They have chosen not to do a MRI or CAT scan at this time. They were told that will only tell them if surgery will be an option. At 10k they won't do the surgery. I will take my xpen over for them to have to confine him for a while. Please say a prayer for Buddy. I am scared for him. Quote The Girls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackandBrindle Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Oh Jenny, I'm just seeing this Poor Buddy! Sending lots of prayers for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vahoundlover Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 OMG Sending lots of prayers for Buddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fritofeet Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 More prayers for Buddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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