Hemangiosarcoma On Skin

[cowpantslady]

does anyone have any information on this?

where are they doing the most work?

treatment?

Edited December 10, 2008 by cowpantslady

[greypuppyluv]

Our first whippet, Piper, had hemangiosarcoma on his skin.......little tumors all over the outside of his body. I think his was a severe case though. I don't have any links at the moment.....I'll have to look later in my old saved emails and see if I can find anything.

[ahicks51]

Our first vet wanted $650 for gas anesthesia, removal, and biopsy. The second vet- the local "go-to" greyhound vet- snipped them off with a local, charged me $95, and saw the next patient. But they were tiny- I can't speak to larger growths.

 

One person who had a grey with a history of dermal hemangiosarcoma informed me that she *thought* the number of new growths was reduced during those periods of time when she fed raw food. Coco's been on raw ever since I had the two small growths removed, and I haven't seen any new ones. But it's only been a few months (6-7 months).

[dante2zoe]

Our whippet had been diagnosed with this while he lived in Nashville with someone else. He had the growth removed twice (margins not clean). He didn't receive any othe treatment. He gets regular hemangiomas on the inside of his legs now that I just watch, according to my vet's instructions. He is white and spent way too much time outside in his youth. His diagnosis has been over a year ago and nothing has returned that I can tell. I didn't see them the first time, so I don't even know what it looked like. He does raw feed now, though.

[Guest jurishound]

Sadly, my beloved Stormy has right atrial hemangiosarcoma with extensive lung mets. He also has what appears to be lesions on his skin, which the vet and oncologist believe are secondary to the original tumor on his heart. According to the oncologist, skin hemangiosarcoma "tends to behave benignly" but I'm not convinced, particularly in view of some of the literature I have read. We observed one or two of these lesions on his skin a long time ago, and were told to "keep an eye on them." I will always wonder whether this started with his skin, and regret very much not being more vigilant. At any rate, I have done a lot of research on this dreadful cancer and although it is particularly aggressive, it appears that skin hemangio can often be treated by surgical excision alone. If the margins are not clean, chemotherapy may be recommended. Please - get an opinion from a dermatologist or oncologist pronto. Sending good wishes your way

[Saffron]

No experience with dermal, but here is a link I found when I was researching a few weeks ago for Catwalk. If you scroll down there are links to other studies: Caninecancerawareness

 

Sounds like the prognosis is much better for dermal.

 

Best wishes,

[Guest ss556]

Does anyone have a picture of the skin type?

[ahicks51]

Courtesy of Wikipedia: dermal hemangiosarcoma.

 

 

Coco's wasn't anywhere near that large. They looked like pimples, except the skin wasn't red.

[macoduck]

Courtesy of Wikipedia: dermal hemangiosarcoma.

 

 

Coco's wasn't anywhere near that large. They looked like pimples, except the skin wasn't red.

 

Uh oh, that looks like what Wally has. He's scheduled Monday to have it removed. It's on the side of his rib cage.

The pimple kind - do they bleed a lot if you pick at them? Bad mommy here has picked at 2 tiny spots that bleed profusely.

[Guest MZH]

Hemangiosarcoma is probably the worst possible cancer to have; there are so few treatments for it. The skin kind *is* the better kind to have.

 

Cullen had it in his rib cage (nothing visible from the outside except a fast-growing bump under his skin.) It was removed with poor margins and he had mets in less than 3 weeks. His passing was that quick.

 

His littermate has had it on the skin for the last 3 years and he's still here. They remove them as they appear and it's been working for him.

 

Just get the suckers off and hope for clean margins!

 

Marcia

[fsugrad]

Our white whippet (now our angel) Comet had those, just like in the photo above. He never had a lot of them at one time, but in his last year or so, he seemed to always have one or two. We never picked at them. They would pop on their own, and they were yucky.

We did not know if they were hemangiomas or hemangiosarcomas, as he was definitely in 'hospice mode' from a variety of other medical and age related problems he had, when they started popping up.

Comet loved to spend time out in the yard (sun), and being a white whippet, I later found out he was more prone to them.

 

[cowpantslady]

thanks for your responses. you guys are terrific in your fast reponses!!!

his tumor looked somewhat like the pictures

thank g-d his margins are clear

xrays of chest and lungs on friday

then sonogram next week if everything is clear then he will go on chemo forever

they are probably going to remove some more area as long as nothing else shows up

our vet is working with an oncologist

we are switching him over to a no carb totally wholistic diet

 

[RobinM]

WHO?

 

WHO?

[Guest WarmheartedPups]

Roo had a dermal hemangiosarcoma.....it looked like a blood blister and wouldnt stop bleeding one night. It was removed with clean margins. The Vet said do nothing....no sun bathing and there was a 25% chance it had already spread.....watch closely for more skin lesions. That was it. ...One year ago.

[greypuppyluv]

Courtesy of Wikipedia: dermal hemangiosarcoma.

 

 

Coco's wasn't anywhere near that large. They looked like pimples, except the skin wasn't red.

 

Uh oh, that looks like what Wally has. He's scheduled Monday to have it removed. It's on the side of his rib cage.

The pimple kind - do they bleed a lot if you pick at them? Bad mommy here has picked at 2 tiny spots that bleed profusely.

Piper's did, but he also had von Willebrand's disease, so his blood didn't clot very well (which is great when you have a dog with a bunch of tumors ). Some of Piper's were pretty small, but others were larger than the above picture.

 

Piper was white and brindle, with a lot of white on his body too. He also ended up having squamous cell carcinoma (probably from too much sun exposure before we adopted him) and nerve sheath tumors later, but it was the hemangiosarcoma that he couldn't survive. Like I said, his case was pretty severe, with lots of little tumors all over his body. We would just have as many as possible removed every 5-6 months (my vet used a laser). My vet told me that as long as the tumors remain on the outside, the dog has a pretty good chance......it's when they start growing internally that there's not much more you can do. Piper had the tumors when we adopted him and we lost him 2 years later when the tumors started growing internally.

[Guest MZH]

thanks for your responses. you guys are terrific in your fast reponses!!!

his tumor looked somewhat like the pictures

thank g-d his margins are clear

xrays of chest and lungs on friday

then sonogram next week if everything is clear then he will go on chemo forever

they are probably going to remove some more area as long as nothing else shows up

our vet is working with an oncologist

we are switching him over to a no carb totally wholistic diet

 

Chemo forever???

 

Marcia

[duncan41]

Wonderful knews about the clean margins! Sending prayers for clear x-rays, too!

[Guest GreysAndMoreGreys]

thanks for your responses. you guys are terrific in your fast reponses!!!

his tumor looked somewhat like the pictures

thank g-d his margins are clear

xrays of chest and lungs on friday

then sonogram next week if everything is clear then he will go on chemo forever

they are probably going to remove some more area as long as nothing else shows up

our vet is working with an oncologist

we are switching him over to a no carb totally wholistic diet

 

Is this skin bump the only issue? IF so then I would recheck on this whole protocol. It seems a bit extreme.

 

My angel Cassie also had dermal Hemangio.

Here is a site I went to, to read up about itHemangio

 

Also when they remove the tumor they should be able to tell you what "grade" it is. I would take all that info and then judge if I wanted to continue on with more testing and treatment

 

Cassie had clean margins and no further treatment or testing was needed.

[cowpantslady]

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My angel Cassie also had dermal Hemangio.

Here is a site I went to, to read up about itHemangio

 

Also when they remove the tumor they should be able to tell you what "grade" it is. I would take all that info and then judge if I wanted to continue on with more testing and treatment

 

 

 

 

you know i was half listening to the vet when he called

we just lost 3 dogs to cancer and i was in a state of shock

the margins are clear i forgot to ask what grade

he was giving me all the protocols that were an option if it is not in his internal organs

he told me things were in our favor but i am not one to go by statistics so i shut off after that

he is having xrays on friday but i will be away my poor dh will be bringing him

 

again thanks everyone for your knowledge and kind words

 

[Guest MomoftheFuzzy]

No experience with dermal, but here is a link I found when I was researching a few weeks ago for Catwalk. If you scroll down there are links to other studies: Caninecancerawareness

 

Sounds like the prognosis is much better for dermal.

 

Was wondering about that myself... dermal vs. internal cases of hemangiosarcoma. Thank you for posting that.

[Ruth]

Our Tess has them from time to time on her side along the rib cage. The vet takes them off and so far they have had clean margins and she is fine. We do use baby sun block all summer and that seems to keep them down. She is an all 4 sides sun bather and that has helped a lot. When one appears we just have them removed as soon as we see them and all is well so far. Hope it stays that way. They always send them for testing to be sure we get clean margins.

 

Ruth

[cowpantslady]

our boy had xrays today of his stomach, heart and lungs today

and thank g-d nothing!!!

monday a sonogram

if that shows nothing then the vet is going to do a little deeper surgery to make sure

if all goes well and i know it will then it is just keep a close eye on him for any little bump

they don't feel he will need chemo at this point since in the first surgery there were clean margins

 

[Guest ChasesMum]

uh oh.

 

I have been watching a black little pimple on Chase for about a month, it grew a little and I meant to ask the vet to remove it while she was under for her dental last week. I forgot, and now I read about this....

 

I guess we are back to the vet! ACK! I know Chase would be ok with doing it with a local...she let me harass it today (before I read this) and didnt flinch.

[Guest vahoundlover]

Keeping all paws crossed

[Houndtime]

our boy had xrays today of his stomach, heart and lungs today

and thank g-d nothing!!!

monday a sonogram

if that shows nothing then the vet is going to do a little deeper surgery to make sure

if all goes well and i know it will then it is just keep a close eye on him for any little bump

they don't feel he will need chemo at this point since in the first surgery there were clean margins

 

 

Just to let you know I have been reading along with you and glad to see that he will get the "all clear".