cowpantslady Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 (edited) does anyone have any information on this? where are they doing the most work? treatment? Edited December 10, 2008 by cowpantslady Quote Iris www.ligc.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greypuppyluv Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Our first whippet, Piper, had hemangiosarcoma on his skin.......little tumors all over the outside of his body. I think his was a severe case though. I don't have any links at the moment.....I'll have to look later in my old saved emails and see if I can find anything. Quote Paula & her pups--Paneer (WW Outlook Ladd), Kira & Rhett (the whippets)Forever in my heart...Tinsel (Born's Bounder - 11/9/90-12/18/01), Piper, Chevy, Keno, Zuma, Little One, Phaelin & WinnieGreyhound Adoption Center ~ So Cal rep for Whippet Rescue And Placement For beautiful beaded collars, check out my Facebook page: The Swanky Hound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahicks51 Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Our first vet wanted $650 for gas anesthesia, removal, and biopsy. The second vet- the local "go-to" greyhound vet- snipped them off with a local, charged me $95, and saw the next patient. But they were tiny- I can't speak to larger growths. One person who had a grey with a history of dermal hemangiosarcoma informed me that she *thought* the number of new growths was reduced during those periods of time when she fed raw food. Coco's been on raw ever since I had the two small growths removed, and I haven't seen any new ones. But it's only been a few months (6-7 months). Quote Coco (Maze Cocodrillo) Minerva (Kid's Snipper) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante2zoe Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Our whippet had been diagnosed with this while he lived in Nashville with someone else. He had the growth removed twice (margins not clean). He didn't receive any othe treatment. He gets regular hemangiomas on the inside of his legs now that I just watch, according to my vet's instructions. He is white and spent way too much time outside in his youth. His diagnosis has been over a year ago and nothing has returned that I can tell. I didn't see them the first time, so I don't even know what it looked like. He does raw feed now, though. Quote Cindy with Miss Fancypants, Paris Bueller, Zeke, and Angus Dante (Dg's Boyd), Zoe (In a While), Brady (Devilish Effect), Goose (BG Shotgun), Maverick (BG ShoMe), Maggie (All Trades Jax), Sherman (LNB Herman Bad) and Indy (BYB whippet) forever in my heart The flame that burns the brightest, burns the fastest and leaves the biggest shadow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jurishound Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Sadly, my beloved Stormy has right atrial hemangiosarcoma with extensive lung mets. He also has what appears to be lesions on his skin, which the vet and oncologist believe are secondary to the original tumor on his heart. According to the oncologist, skin hemangiosarcoma "tends to behave benignly" but I'm not convinced, particularly in view of some of the literature I have read. We observed one or two of these lesions on his skin a long time ago, and were told to "keep an eye on them." I will always wonder whether this started with his skin, and regret very much not being more vigilant. At any rate, I have done a lot of research on this dreadful cancer and although it is particularly aggressive, it appears that skin hemangio can often be treated by surgical excision alone. If the margins are not clean, chemotherapy may be recommended. Please - get an opinion from a dermatologist or oncologist pronto. Sending good wishes your way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saffron Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 No experience with dermal, but here is a link I found when I was researching a few weeks ago for Catwalk. If you scroll down there are links to other studies: Caninecancerawareness Sounds like the prognosis is much better for dermal. Best wishes, Quote GillianCaesar (Black Caesarfire) and Olly (Oregon) the Galgo Still missing: Nell (spaniel mix) 1982-1997, Boudicca (JRT) 1986- 2004, and the greys P's Catwalk 2001-2008, Murphy Peabody (we failed fostering) 1998-2010 and Pilgrim (Blazing Leia) 2003-2016, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ss556 Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Does anyone have a picture of the skin type? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahicks51 Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Courtesy of Wikipedia: dermal hemangiosarcoma. Coco's wasn't anywhere near that large. They looked like pimples, except the skin wasn't red. Quote Coco (Maze Cocodrillo) Minerva (Kid's Snipper) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macoduck Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Courtesy of Wikipedia: dermal hemangiosarcoma. Coco's wasn't anywhere near that large. They looked like pimples, except the skin wasn't red. Uh oh, that looks like what Wally has. He's scheduled Monday to have it removed. It's on the side of his rib cage. The pimple kind - do they bleed a lot if you pick at them? Bad mommy here has picked at 2 tiny spots that bleed profusely. Quote Freshy (Droopys Fresh), NoAh the podenco orito, Howie the portuguese podengo maneto Angels: Rita the podenco maneta, Lila, the podenco, Mr X aka Denali, Lulu the podenco andaluz, Hada the podenco maneta, Georgie Girl (UMR Cordella), Charlie the iggy, Mazy (CBR Crazy Girl), Potato, my mystery ibizan girl, Allen (M's Pretty Boy), Percy (Fast But True), Mikey (Doray's Patuti), Pudge le mutt, Tessa the iggy, Possum (Apostle), Gracie (Dusty Lady), Harold (Slatex Harold), "Cousin" Simon our step-iggy, Little Dude the iggy ,Bandit (Bb Blue Jay), Niña the galgo, Wally (Allen Hogg), Thane (Pog Mo Thoine), Oliver (JJ Special Agent), Comet, & Rosie our original mutt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MZH Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Hemangiosarcoma is probably the worst possible cancer to have; there are so few treatments for it. The skin kind *is* the better kind to have. Cullen had it in his rib cage (nothing visible from the outside except a fast-growing bump under his skin.) It was removed with poor margins and he had mets in less than 3 weeks. His passing was that quick. His littermate has had it on the skin for the last 3 years and he's still here. They remove them as they appear and it's been working for him. Just get the suckers off and hope for clean margins! Marcia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fsugrad Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Our white whippet (now our angel) Comet had those, just like in the photo above. He never had a lot of them at one time, but in his last year or so, he seemed to always have one or two. We never picked at them. They would pop on their own, and they were yucky. We did not know if they were hemangiomas or hemangiosarcomas, as he was definitely in 'hospice mode' from a variety of other medical and age related problems he had, when they started popping up. Comet loved to spend time out in the yard (sun), and being a white whippet, I later found out he was more prone to them. Quote Rita, mom to Dakota (Dakotas Dream) & Wish (Kiowa Wish Wish) and my angels Toby (Sol Marcus) and Robin (Greys Robin Hood) Forever missing our beloved Robin and Toby "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened." Anatole France Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowpantslady Posted December 3, 2008 Author Share Posted December 3, 2008 thanks for your responses. you guys are terrific in your fast reponses!!! his tumor looked somewhat like the pictures thank g-d his margins are clear xrays of chest and lungs on friday then sonogram next week if everything is clear then he will go on chemo forever they are probably going to remove some more area as long as nothing else shows up our vet is working with an oncologist we are switching him over to a no carb totally wholistic diet Quote Iris www.ligc.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinM Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 WHO? WHO? Quote ROBIN ~ Mom to: Beau Think It Aint, Chloe JC Allthewayhome, Teddy ICU Drunk Sailor, Elsie N Fracine , Ollie RG's Travertine, Ponch A's Jupiter~ Yoshi, Zoobie & Belle, the kitties. Waiting at the bridge Angel Polli Bohemian Ocean , Rocky, Blue,Sasha & Zoobie & Bobbi Greyhound Angels Adoption (GAA) The Lexus Project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WarmheartedPups Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Roo had a dermal hemangiosarcoma.....it looked like a blood blister and wouldnt stop bleeding one night. It was removed with clean margins. The Vet said do nothing....no sun bathing and there was a 25% chance it had already spread.....watch closely for more skin lesions. That was it. ...One year ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greypuppyluv Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Courtesy of Wikipedia: dermal hemangiosarcoma. Coco's wasn't anywhere near that large. They looked like pimples, except the skin wasn't red. Uh oh, that looks like what Wally has. He's scheduled Monday to have it removed. It's on the side of his rib cage. The pimple kind - do they bleed a lot if you pick at them? Bad mommy here has picked at 2 tiny spots that bleed profusely. Piper's did, but he also had von Willebrand's disease, so his blood didn't clot very well (which is great when you have a dog with a bunch of tumors ). Some of Piper's were pretty small, but others were larger than the above picture. Piper was white and brindle, with a lot of white on his body too. He also ended up having squamous cell carcinoma (probably from too much sun exposure before we adopted him) and nerve sheath tumors later, but it was the hemangiosarcoma that he couldn't survive. Like I said, his case was pretty severe, with lots of little tumors all over his body. We would just have as many as possible removed every 5-6 months (my vet used a laser). My vet told me that as long as the tumors remain on the outside, the dog has a pretty good chance......it's when they start growing internally that there's not much more you can do. Piper had the tumors when we adopted him and we lost him 2 years later when the tumors started growing internally. Quote Paula & her pups--Paneer (WW Outlook Ladd), Kira & Rhett (the whippets)Forever in my heart...Tinsel (Born's Bounder - 11/9/90-12/18/01), Piper, Chevy, Keno, Zuma, Little One, Phaelin & WinnieGreyhound Adoption Center ~ So Cal rep for Whippet Rescue And Placement For beautiful beaded collars, check out my Facebook page: The Swanky Hound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MZH Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 thanks for your responses. you guys are terrific in your fast reponses!!! his tumor looked somewhat like the pictures thank g-d his margins are clear xrays of chest and lungs on friday then sonogram next week if everything is clear then he will go on chemo forever they are probably going to remove some more area as long as nothing else shows up our vet is working with an oncologist we are switching him over to a no carb totally wholistic diet Chemo forever??? Marcia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan41 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Wonderful knews about the clean margins! Sending prayers for clear x-rays, too! Quote Linda, Mom to Fuzz, Barkley, and the felines Miss Kitty, Simon and Joseph.Waiting at The Bridge: Alex, Josh, Harley, Nikki, Beemer, Anna, Frank, Rachel, my heart & soul, Suze and the best boy ever, Dalton.<p> ....for all those hounds that are sick, hurt, lost or waiting for their forever homes. SENIORS ROCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GreysAndMoreGreys Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 thanks for your responses. you guys are terrific in your fast reponses!!! his tumor looked somewhat like the pictures thank g-d his margins are clear xrays of chest and lungs on friday then sonogram next week if everything is clear then he will go on chemo forever they are probably going to remove some more area as long as nothing else shows up our vet is working with an oncologist we are switching him over to a no carb totally wholistic diet Is this skin bump the only issue? IF so then I would recheck on this whole protocol. It seems a bit extreme. My angel Cassie also had dermal Hemangio. Here is a site I went to, to read up about itHemangio Also when they remove the tumor they should be able to tell you what "grade" it is. I would take all that info and then judge if I wanted to continue on with more testing and treatment Cassie had clean margins and no further treatment or testing was needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowpantslady Posted December 3, 2008 Author Share Posted December 3, 2008 [ My angel Cassie also had dermal Hemangio. Here is a site I went to, to read up about itHemangio Also when they remove the tumor they should be able to tell you what "grade" it is. I would take all that info and then judge if I wanted to continue on with more testing and treatment you know i was half listening to the vet when he called we just lost 3 dogs to cancer and i was in a state of shock the margins are clear i forgot to ask what grade he was giving me all the protocols that were an option if it is not in his internal organs he told me things were in our favor but i am not one to go by statistics so i shut off after that he is having xrays on friday but i will be away my poor dh will be bringing him again thanks everyone for your knowledge and kind words Quote Iris www.ligc.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MomoftheFuzzy Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 No experience with dermal, but here is a link I found when I was researching a few weeks ago for Catwalk. If you scroll down there are links to other studies: Caninecancerawareness Sounds like the prognosis is much better for dermal. Was wondering about that myself... dermal vs. internal cases of hemangiosarcoma. Thank you for posting that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruth Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Our Tess has them from time to time on her side along the rib cage. The vet takes them off and so far they have had clean margins and she is fine. We do use baby sun block all summer and that seems to keep them down. She is an all 4 sides sun bather and that has helped a lot. When one appears we just have them removed as soon as we see them and all is well so far. Hope it stays that way. They always send them for testing to be sure we get clean margins. Ruth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowpantslady Posted December 6, 2008 Author Share Posted December 6, 2008 our boy had xrays today of his stomach, heart and lungs today and thank g-d nothing!!! monday a sonogram if that shows nothing then the vet is going to do a little deeper surgery to make sure if all goes well and i know it will then it is just keep a close eye on him for any little bump they don't feel he will need chemo at this point since in the first surgery there were clean margins Quote Iris www.ligc.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ChasesMum Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 uh oh. I have been watching a black little pimple on Chase for about a month, it grew a little and I meant to ask the vet to remove it while she was under for her dental last week. I forgot, and now I read about this.... I guess we are back to the vet! ACK! I know Chase would be ok with doing it with a local...she let me harass it today (before I read this) and didnt flinch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vahoundlover Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 Keeping all paws crossed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houndtime Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 our boy had xrays today of his stomach, heart and lungs today and thank g-d nothing!!! monday a sonogram if that shows nothing then the vet is going to do a little deeper surgery to make sure if all goes well and i know it will then it is just keep a close eye on him for any little bump they don't feel he will need chemo at this point since in the first surgery there were clean margins Just to let you know I have been reading along with you and glad to see that he will get the "all clear". Quote Irene Ullmann w/Flying Odin and Mama Mia in Lower Delaware Angels Brandy, John E, American Idol, Paul, Fuzzy and Shine Handcrafted Greyhound and Custom Clocks http://www.houndtime.com Zoom Doggies-Racing Coats for Racing Greyhounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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