Guest DoofBert Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 A friend, not of GT has 5 year old new retiree....hound has excessive thirst....he's had a variety of tests: fecal.. no signs of anything. no diabetes He's eating about 2X normal portions... and he's gained about 1.5 pounds in the past week. There have been blood tests...his vet, who has expereince with GH, reports his urine is not concentrating...implying the water just passes through his system. And he is still thirsty. He does have gum infection and is on antibiotics. Any resources or ideas to consider??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest patti909 Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 my standard poodle go tlike that and it was her kidneys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomDoggy Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 How's his kidney function on the bloodwork? Quote ~Aimee, with Flower, Alan, Queenie, & Spodee Odee! And forever in my heart: Tipper, Sissy, Chancy, Marla, Dazzle, Alimony, and Boo. This list is too damned long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burpdog Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 An undiagnosed uti, stomach hurts. Of course he is not concentrating urine--he's drinking tons Did she switch dog foods? Quote Diane & The Senior Gang Burpdog Biscuits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaisyDoodle Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Has Cushing's been considered? I don't have experience with it, but my vet recently thought my mix, Lucky, might have it...luckily she didn't. But, the drinking and eating sound like familiar symptoms. Cushing's Link FWIW, DD Quote DonnaMolly the Border Collie & Poquita the American-born Podenga Bridge Babies: Daisy (Positive Delta) 8/7/2000 - 4/6/2115, Agnes--angel Sage's baby (Regall Rosario) 11/12/01 - 12/18/13, Lucky the mix (Found, w 10 puppies 8/96-Bridge 7/28/11, app. age 16) & CoCo (Cosmo Comet) 12/28/89-5/4/04 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spider9174 Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 my boy does this too. I've actually had him tested for cushings, it was negative. we've cultured urine and I've had it tested a number of times in the last year. He hada few bouts of big D and this seemed to have an affect on how much he was drinking, wanted more and when he stabilized he still wanted more. His bloodwork shows bun/creatinine levels are on the high end for greys, but are stable--haven't changed since we got him. So after all this testing, my vet said he has psychogenic polydipsia. It's actually common in greys and kind of a form of anxiety or addiction to water. They drink and don't need to. They don't concentrate their urine. I've countered this by not putting large amount of water out. I don't restrict how much he drinks, I just restrict how much is there at any given time. This has seemed to help his drinking problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burpdog Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 I wonder how many of these greys that are diagnosed with DI really have h pylori and are drinking because their stomach hurts? I know Ivey's drinking cut in half when I started her on zantac and carafate. I regret not having her scoped. Quote Diane & The Senior Gang Burpdog Biscuits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeh2o Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 SARDS, sudden acquired retinal degeneration syndrome, it often has the same symptoms as Cushings, excessive thirst, ravenous appetite, weight gain, wetting in the house in a previously housebroken dog, lethargy. Then, the dog quickly (sometimes from one hour to the next) loses their eyesight. After that, the Cushings symptoms disappear. For Sheila it took about a year for the symptoms to completely dissipate, though the blindness is permanent. Quote Sunsands Doodles: Doodles aka Claire, Bella Run Softly: Softy aka Bowie (the Diamond Dog) Missing my beautiful boy Sunsands Carl 2.25.2003 - 4.1.2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DoofBert Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 HMM.....keep the ideas coming... I'll forward to the vet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TuxsMom Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 i had a cat do this and it turned out to be a bad reaction to an antibiotic. has that been considered? in cats, there are certain anitbiotics that cause increased thirst, appetite, and weight gain. dont' know about dogs, but also don't want to overlook the obvious! it could be that simple? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DoofBert Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Food was switched when he came up from track into foster home... Then changed again from foster home into permanent home. I know the change to new kibble in permanent home was done gradually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trudy Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Ryan drinks GALLONS of water a day. Having a pool outside for them isn't an option as he'd drink it all. But he's still able to concentrate his urine. Have any kidney values been checked? Did this start before or after the abt's? Any other symptoms besides the excessive drinking? The 2x food is based on what - how new to the house is he? Left to his own devices, Ryan would drink a pool full of water and eat a bag of kibble a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spider9174 Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Burpdog, what's the dose of zantac you give? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NevadasMom Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Consider Cushings.......... Quote Carol-Glendale, AZ Trolley (Figsiza Trollyn) Nevada 1992-2008...always in my heart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeofNE Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Sounds like Cushings to me--or possibly similar to my non-Grey who had a kidney issue that we never really figured out--he couldn't concentrate his urine well? Quote Susan, Hamish, Mister Bigglesworth and Nikita Stanislav. Missing Ming, George, and Buck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scullysmum Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 my boy does this too. I've actually had him tested for cushings, it was negative. we've cultured urine and I've had it tested a number of times in the last year. He hada few bouts of big D and this seemed to have an affect on how much he was drinking, wanted more and when he stabilized he still wanted more. His bloodwork shows bun/creatinine levels are on the high end for greys, but are stable--haven't changed since we got him. So after all this testing, my vet said he has psychogenic polydipsia. It's actually common in greys and kind of a form of anxiety or addiction to water. They drink and don't need to. They don't concentrate their urine. I've countered this by not putting large amount of water out. I don't restrict how much he drinks, I just restrict how much is there at any given time. This has seemed to help his drinking problem. My bridgekid Scully had this once at about six years old....believed to be caused by the stress of us recently moving house....he recovered after about a week. The vet never really gave a diagnosis...but Psychogenic polydipsia sounds as good as any to me....one thing that the vet recommended was giving him a vitamin C supplement at quite a high dosage for a while (1000mg per day) as this helps to concentrate the urine by making it more acidic (apparently) Quote <p>"One day I hope to be the person my dog thinks I am"Sadi's Pet Pages Sadi's Greyhound Data PageMulder1/9/95-21/3/04 Scully1/9/95-16/2/05Sadi 7/4/99 - 23/6/13 CroftviewRGT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MZH Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Dogs may test negative for the "standand" Cushings but positive for Atypical Cushings, which is a hormonal imbalance. The only place that runs the test for that is the U of Tennessee, AFAIK. Our Cullen had that. He drank like a fish. Treatment in his case was oral melatonin and supplements to reduce his elevated estradiol levels. Marcia in SC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burpdog Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Did he have this problem in the first homes? Which kibble is he on now? re zantac: 150mg x 2 or 300mg at bedtime. Carafate, 1 gram a few times a day. Quote Diane & The Senior Gang Burpdog Biscuits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAVED2 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Stress from the move , give him a few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RooRoo Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Ruling out Cushings popped into my head too... Good luck to this pup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DoofBert Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Thanks for all the suggestions.... he was moved around a lot in the past few months.... from his track to a foster in FL, then road trip to PA to another foster home..... then to his forever family. I don't have much more info yet....hound is doing ok for the past few day since my original post. Vet said the tests for DI are on her list.... but she wants to rule out other things first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lauri Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Funny...Just had this conversation on Friday! My client has an Aussie. About three I guess. She kept pittling in her bed whie sleeping and they noticed her drinking LOTS of water. Tests show a lack of some horomone or chemical in the system that 'tells' the pup that she's had enough to drink, so she keeps drinking. Diabetes Insipidus. NOT like the other two diabetes - mellitus 1&2. I looked it up: http://www.vetinfo.com/dencyclopedia/dedibetinsp.html She just takes a pill and she's fine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmom Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Did they get a first-of-the-morning urine sample after restricting (i.e., not allowing any access to) water overnight? If he's drinking a lot most of the day, that's the only way to tell if he *can* concentrate his urine, and that's an important thing to know. Quote Star aka Starz Ovation (Ronco x Oneco Maggie*, litter #48538), Coco aka Low Key (Kiowa Mon Manny x Party Hardy, litter # 59881), and mom in IllinoisWe miss Reko Batman (Trouper Zeke x Marque Louisiana), 11/15/95-6/29/06, Rocco the thistledown whippet, 04/29/93-10/14/08, Reko Zema (Mo Kick x Reko Princess), 8/16/98-4/18/10, the most beautiful girl in the whole USA, my good egg Joseph aka Won by a Nose (Oneco Cufflink x Buy Back), 09/22/2003-03/01/2013, and our gentle sweet Gidget (Digitizer, Dodgem by Design x Sobe Mulberry), 1/29/2006-11/22/2014, gone much too soon. Never forgetting CJC's Buckshot, 1/2/07-10/25/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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