NeylasMom

What?!! Time for a new vet! There is ZERO reason to refuse a test that has no risk if the client wants to pay for it. I'm appalled.

Very glad you have her home. A few things didn't sound right to me. I would recommend having Dr Couto consult if you'll be moving forward with your regular vet. He's worth his weight in gold. Hope she heals up quickly.

FYI, as far as I know Dr. Kellogg is not practicing right now. If you have trouble reaching her, Turbotaina might be able to connect you if you send her a PM. I'm sorry you're going through this and hope you can get your girl through it.

Any updates?

I can't tell from the x-rays, but as far as treatment options go, it's really amp or maybe limb sparing. You won't want to do radiation. Radiation increases the risk of fracture, especially if you opt for stereotactic and it's technically just a palliative treatment. Though the stereotactic seems to really get the tumor well, but again, the trade off is an even higher likelihood of a break down the road as the radiation can damage some healthy bone. I was quoted about a 30% increase with stereotactic, much less with palliative. Hope it's not cancer.

I can't see the photo at the moment (images are blocked in my office) and I haven't had this specific thing happen, but I wanted to suggest exploring the possibility of cold laser therapy to aid healing. Zuri managed to stab himself through the webbing furthest back in between his middle toes of a front paw when running off leash, presumably with a stick (it looked like someone had taken a pencil and just jabbed it way in) and cold laser was really helpful. I was actually amazed at how quickly it healed.

Acepromazine shouldn't be used to treat anxiety, but it does have an appropriate place with sedation procedures. Most vets have their own anesthesia protocols, with which they are comfortable. It may be appropriate to reduce doses for greyhounds or in some cases eliminate it, but that doesn't mean it should be avoided in all cases and for all things. It's really quite common to use it as a pre-med. We don't use it for Violet because she has anxiety issues and I've noted a reaction that could have been due to it, but it was used for both of Zuri's dentals without issue.

Yeah, I agree. What you are describing isn't really normal dog behavior and she'd have to be failing pretty miserably at house training to have these issues. I really suspect a medical issue.

When he went out the hour before, is she sure he actually urinated? A full pee, rather than marking? People sometimes make the mistake of assuming their dogs emptied out while turned out, which may not always be the case and would explain why he then went indoors. If she is positive he did a full pee outside, then she really needs to revisit a medical issue. It's really bumming me out that she's restricting access to water in a dog that's having so many accidents despite it though we obviously don't have anywhere near the full amount of information. When he has accidents inside, is he marking or full on peeing? Is it only when they're away or sometimes when they're home? Does he have other signs of anxiety when they leave - won't eat treats left with him, whining, barking, pacing, agitated, destroying things, defecating, etc. There are so many things that could be going on, but without the help of a trainer and/or further investigation into medical issues she's probably not going to get anywhere. Do you think there's any chance they are thinking of rehoming him and that's part of her reluctance to spend more money? From a trainer perspective, a lot of people are willing to deal with a lot of behavioral issues, but the accidents in the house are somehow often a dealbreaker.

Wow. Good info to have.

Thanks for sharing your experience. I just found engorged ticks on both of my dogs after a camping trip, despite having Frontlined them so I'll be looking for a new product next year. I think I'm going to try the Seresto collars. Newer is probably better since the bugs seem to be developing resistance to various products that have been around for a bit.

Thanks for those suggestions. Last update. She ravenously devoured the little bit of canned food I gave her and then we took a good long nap with me spooning her. When we woke up she was hamming it up to get me to pet her. Took a good potty walk. No accidents during our nap and she went several times on our walk, glorious golden yellow pee. She just had a small meal of ground chicken, rolled around on the mattress scratching her back and is back to dozing. She's definitely still a little dopey, but walking normally (if slowly) and otherwise doing great. I'm amazed. And relieved. I caught the tail end of her silliness. Goof Thanks again for the good wishes today. Things really couldn't have gone more smoothly. I'm so grateful.

She mentioned a client who used a Waterpik on her dog's teeth. I asked and they want me to use a brush in these holes so that we're actually removing the bacteria. I just have to find the right brush. I need something that will fit in the hole and has soft bristles.

Way out of it, as in a space cadet but actually walking around surprisingly well. She is a little wobbly occasionally and just missed the first step with her back foot, but then she did all of our stairs without issue (I had a hold of the harness just in case). I'm pleasantly surprised by how well she's getting around.

We're home! We walked around the block to try to get her to empty out a bit more. She's tired, but doing well. Going to let her snooze for a bit and then feed her a snack.

We are headed home! Actually, we headed home and about 15 min in I realized I set a bag of Violet's stuff done to get her in the car and then drove away without it If something had to go wrong I'll happily have that be it. She is incontinent at the moment, but hopefully that's just because she's happily doped up. She's definitely still out of it, but pretty mobile and did also mark when she saw a dog outside. I had to keep reminding myself when they were giving us our instructions that she didn't have teeth removed. I asked about pain meds and then realized she wouldn't need them. They had thought theyd need to remove at least a few so I am kind of in shock. Added bonus, our estimate was $1900-2800, but our bill was only $1200. Thanks for the support today, love my fellow GTers.

She's awake! Still very sedated, but out of anesthesia and no longer intubated. They said she's not anxious at all, but if she becomes stressed they will discharge her to me sooner. Otherwise, about an hour and a half. I won't feel completely relieved until that happens because the issues didn't show up last time until they got her up, but things have gone much more smoothly this time and they have seen some yellow urine. So that we're out of here without issue by early afternoon.

So x-rays aren't showing any infection and he doesn't think any of her teeth need to come out! I'm a little incredulous because she's been pawing at her face, but she has these holes in her teeth and apparently there was a lot of gunk packed in there. So they want me to get a brushing tool to get in there and keep that clean. So he's finishing up her cleaning and then they'll wake her up. Hopefully the next update is she's awake and has yellow pee!

You will not rush home and vacuum either way.

And she's under. They said she did great. Settled right on her bed so they could place the catheter and then dozed off. Next update will be results of x-rays. Hoping for good news on that front so she doesn't have to be under long.

Thank you everyone. They just took her back. We are skipping the pre-meds in the room since she's pretty relaxed with the Gabapentin on board. So the plan was to take her back and immediately place the catheter, administer a smaller dose of pre-meds (just enough to intubate her) and then put her right under anesthesia. They are so fantastic here. I was freaking late, and then waffled on whether to do the pre-meds with me in the room. They were so patient, which gave me time to realize their plan was their plan for a reason. They're going to let me know as soon as she's under.

So tomorrow is the big day. We go in at 8:30 am for Violet's dental. We've put whatever precautions we could think of in place to try to prevent a recurrence of the last peeing blood clots/possibly rhabdo incident that meant hospitalizong Violet and are hoping for no repeats. If anyone could spare some good thoughts for us tomorrow, I would be grateful. And feel free to pop in tomorrow morning if you're bored to distract me as I know I am going to be a nervous wreck until we are in the car headed for home. Thanks.

Glad yours went so smoothly, that is great! I hope things go as well for us. They started her early last time as well and the blood clots appeared when they first tried to get her up and moving. We're in MD and are seeing the veterinary dentist at the Life Center in Leesburg, VA an hour away. They are amazing and have consulted both a veterinary anesthesiologist and the internal medicine doc. And the emergency staff who treated her for her rhabdo and this last incident are on site so we really are in the best of hands. I'll still worry.

Thanks. She's already scheduled to start the minute we get there (8:30 am) and they'll be doing pre-meds in the exam room with me with her and then will start anesthesia the minute they can. So no kennel time. We're making other changes as well to try to eliminate any anxiety. I've increased the dose of her anti-anxiety med and will be giving Gabapentin tonight and tomorrow morning as well (which interestingly is used to treat anxiety). The problem is we have no idea what did this. Stress before the procedure, stress when coming out of it, just stress on her body from the procedure. So we just do what we can and hope for the best I guess.

Thanks. I ended up being able to get it from Amazon. It was delivered today.