RaineysMom Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 (edited) so Mr. Zekie has had pretty lousy poops since he got here on 1/4. This past week, he was only getting cooked brown rice, cooked oatmeal, pumpkin and cooked defatted ground beef. and his D just got worse. we took him in to the vet on Friday along with a stool sample, and he tested positive for hookworms. would that explain the big D? He was put on Flagyl on Friday. the vet prescribed Panacur (not sure of the dose, picking it up in about an hour) -- but I'm waiting to hear back from the vet about doing Drontal Plus first, then Panacur. Dr. Jennifer Barker, who works with our groups here in WI and Chicago, used to be the vet at Dairyland when it was around and now takes care of the pups that come up from the Sunburst Kennels (the Greyhound Alliance works with The Sunburst Project, both groups have saved SO many hounds!!!! -- info on Sunburst here: http://greyhoundalliance.org/wordpress/sunburst-project/) This is Dr. Barker's protocol: http://greyhoundalliance.org/wordpress/about-the-dogs/greyhound-health/ any thoughts? does one work better than the other? do they work better if both are used instead of just one? Also, both boys were got Trifexis for their next doses since the shortage of other heartworm meds currently and I see that it can cause diarrhea, so I hope that doesn't make things worse (Zeke gets it on 1/29). we are going to treat Larry as well, his poops just got somewhat softer than usual starting today. I don't think worming hurts and is fairly safe and we don't want to take any chances... ETA about Flagyl and Trifexis... update 1/27 6:20pm he (and Larry) just got their first dose of Panacur. Larry's 8 lbs heavier so he got a bit higher dose. There's only 3 doses, once a day for 3 days. That seems kind of low to me, and nothing was said about retreating again. Zeke's D is even worse tonite (and it's a freaking ice rink on our patio and yard, have gone through 2.5 jugs of pet-safe ice melt, ARGH). I've read that Panacur can cause vomiting, I sure hope not here. Zeke's already thrown up 2 times in the 3 weeks we've had him (and for us, throwing up has = Bloat 2 out of 3 dogs so far so we're a little nervous when a hound here does it). Hopefully they'll be ok. thanks to everyone for the advice! Edited January 28, 2013 by RaineysMom Quote Kim and Bruce - with Rick (Rick Roufus 6/30/16) and missing my sweet greyhound Angels Rainey (LG's Rainey 10/4/2000 - 3/8/2011), Anubis (RJ's Saint Nick 12/25/2001 - 9/12/12) and Zeke (Hey Who Whiz It 4/6/2009 - 7/20/2020) and Larry (PTL Laroach 2/24/2007 - 8/2/2020) -- and Chester (Lab) (8/31/1990 - 5/3/2005), Captain (Schipperke) (10/12/1992 - 6/13/2005) and Remy (GSP) (?/?/1998 - 1/6/2005) at the bridge"Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut." -- Ernest Hemmingway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmom Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Panacur is effective against hookworms, roundworms, and whipworms. You don't need Drontal unless you also have tapeworms. The most important thing with hookworms is to worm several times, at 2-3 week intervals. Quote Star aka Starz Ovation (Ronco x Oneco Maggie*, litter #48538), Coco aka Low Key (Kiowa Mon Manny x Party Hardy, litter # 59881), and mom in IllinoisWe miss Reko Batman (Trouper Zeke x Marque Louisiana), 11/15/95-6/29/06, Rocco the thistledown whippet, 04/29/93-10/14/08, Reko Zema (Mo Kick x Reko Princess), 8/16/98-4/18/10, the most beautiful girl in the whole USA, my good egg Joseph aka Won by a Nose (Oneco Cufflink x Buy Back), 09/22/2003-03/01/2013, and our gentle sweet Gidget (Digitizer, Dodgem by Design x Sobe Mulberry), 1/29/2006-11/22/2014, gone much too soon. Never forgetting CJC's Buckshot, 1/2/07-10/25/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time4ANap Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 If his diarrhea is really bad, you might want to ask about metronidazole as well to help with that. We usually end up using both when we suspect worms here. We have numerous owners here who think it's okay to not pick up after their dogs, so we end up going through this same fiasco several times a year. Quote Camp Broodie. The current home of Mark Kay Mark Jack and Gracie Kiowa Safe Joan. Always missing my boy Rocket Hi Noon Rocket, Allie Phoenix Dynamite, Kate Miss Kate, Starz Under Da Starz, Petunia MW Neptunia, Diva Astar Dashindiva, and LaVida I've Got Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwnedBySummer Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 From everything I've heard, Drontal Plus is better than Panacur. I've only ever used Drontal Plus and have 100% perfect success with it. Panacur seems to be less effective. Quote Lisa B. My beautiful Summer - to her forever home May 1, 2010 Summer Certified therapy dog team with St. John Ambulance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaineysMom Posted January 27, 2013 Author Share Posted January 27, 2013 If his diarrhea is really bad, you might want to ask about metronidazole as well to help with that. We usually end up using both when we suspect worms here. We have numerous owners here who think it's okay to not pick up after their dogs, so we end up going through this same fiasco several times a year. I forgot to mention that, he was put on that too and got his first dose Friday. We didn't get the results of the fecal sample until late yesterday (vet called a few minutes before closing time and we're 1/2 hour away, so couldn't get the Panacur any sooner). He threw up on Friday night (not long after eating/getting the metronidazle) so we gave him another 1/2 pill. Quote Kim and Bruce - with Rick (Rick Roufus 6/30/16) and missing my sweet greyhound Angels Rainey (LG's Rainey 10/4/2000 - 3/8/2011), Anubis (RJ's Saint Nick 12/25/2001 - 9/12/12) and Zeke (Hey Who Whiz It 4/6/2009 - 7/20/2020) and Larry (PTL Laroach 2/24/2007 - 8/2/2020) -- and Chester (Lab) (8/31/1990 - 5/3/2005), Captain (Schipperke) (10/12/1992 - 6/13/2005) and Remy (GSP) (?/?/1998 - 1/6/2005) at the bridge"Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut." -- Ernest Hemmingway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time4ANap Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Just a heads up about the Panacur, it is also available at retailers under the brand name SafeGuard. It is made by the same company as Panacur, and even comes off of the same production line. The only difference in the two is the retail box that it's in instead of the Veterinary packaging. We've had a couple times where we realized we needed to de-worm Rocket (based on lots of experience at this point) and it was either a weekend or a holiday weekend. Instead of a $100 office visit and $90 bottle of Panacur at the E-Vet, the SafeGuard Panacur is about 12.99 a pack at our local farm supply. It is packaged in a concentration for dogs and you need to get the correct package and quantity based on the dog's weight. Follow the weight guidelines on the packaging to determine which you need and the dosing. For Rocket, we buy 2 boxes of the 4 gram packages to accomplish a 3 day dose. You do not need a prescription for Panacur. While I always think it's good to check with the vet, after being through this so many times with Rocket, we now keep Panacur and Metronidazole on hand with the Vet's okay. As far as the cooked diet, we have been keeping canned Evanger's Organic Cooked Chicken and their Chicken and Rice canned food on hand. He seems to digest that much better than home cooked when his stomach is feeling the effects of worms. Hope this helps. Quote Camp Broodie. The current home of Mark Kay Mark Jack and Gracie Kiowa Safe Joan. Always missing my boy Rocket Hi Noon Rocket, Allie Phoenix Dynamite, Kate Miss Kate, Starz Under Da Starz, Petunia MW Neptunia, Diva Astar Dashindiva, and LaVida I've Got Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AEB Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 We have used both. Kevin had a bad case of hooks and we didn't know for months. We had never delt with worms. He had some D, but more gas, wretching and coughing. (We now know what to look for). By then the soil was infected. So he keeps re-infecting himself occasionally. We have found Drontal knocked them out better. It's a single dose. And it's more expensive. Like 5 or 6 times as much ($16 v. $65). Kevin hates it and we can't get it into him anymore (it's chewable). It also made him sicker. So now we do Panacur (powder) worming once a month or every other month during the times when it's warm. This is under the direction of our vet. We do occasional stool samples but there can be false negatives. So if he tests negative we go every other month and retest in a few months. The panacur is very well tolerated by Kevin (except the first time when he had a lot more worms- he seemed to NEED to get outside very early in the morning and his poops were gross). We alternated at first. But now use only Panacur. Good luck with your new boy Kim! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissn333 Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Hookworms are very stubborn. It took several 5 day cycles of Panacur to knock them out for poor Fritz. Quote Kristin in Moline, IL USA with Ozzie (MRL Crusin Clem), Clarice (Clarice McBones), Latte and Sage the IGs, and the kitties: Violet and Rose Lovingly Remembered: Sutra (Fliowa Sutra) 12/02/97-10/12/10, Pinky (Pick Me) 04/20/03-11/19/12, Fritz (Fritz Fire) 02/05/01 - 05/20/13, Ace (Fantastic Ace) 02/05/01 - 07/05/13, and Carrie (Takin the Crumbs) 05/08/99 - 09/04/13. A cure for cancer can't come soon enough.-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatterseaBrindl Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Our vet likes Drontal Plus. Thankfully, none of ours have had any parasite issues. And...YES... I would treat both dogs. Quote Nancy...Mom to Sid (Peteles Tiger), Kibo (112 Carlota Galgos) and Joshi. Missing Casey, Gomer, Mona, Penelope, BillieJean, Bandit, Nixon (Starz Sammie), Ruby (Watch Me Dash) Nigel (Nigel), and especially little Mario, waiting at the Bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galgrey Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 The hookworms could definitely explain the big D. Princess had them (altho two fecals were negative) when I adopted her and I tried lots of different foods thinking she had a sensitive stomach. When we got rid of the hooks the big D went too. Quote Cynthia, & Cristiano, galgoAlways in my heart: Frostman Newdawn Frost, Keno Jet Action & Chloe (NGA racing name unknown), Irys (galgo), Hannah (weim), Cruz (galgo), & Carly CW Your Charming Princess http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=1018857 "It came to me that every time I lose a dog they take a piece of my heart with them. And every new dog who comes into my life, gifts me with a piece of their heart. If I live long enough, all the components of my heart will be dog, and I will become as generous and loving as they are." -- Unknown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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