Burpdog

Ouch. Hopefully in the long run she will feel much better!

Sending my sympathy

Been thinking about you/her all day. Hope you have good news soon.

However, the bleeding doesn't show up that quickly in spays if I remember right. If you suspect a bleeder, I think you have to go longer. I'll ask Marilyn. I'm not sure I'd give it for spays prophylactically. Of course, I wouldn't vet the day after a long haul either Way too much stress.

What is the situation?

Fixed the layering problem in replies. Haven't checked other things (except I noticed the button to move to another forum is not available after posting. I have to go to the top)

Not sure where I put my info yesterday, but the problems Tina & I are have are with IE8 8.0.6001.18702IC The computers with 8.0.6001.18702 are fine, which appears (since I am a computer idiot who knows) that the new board is not working with the latest IE update.

Very common behavior, although I am yelling at them to stay away from "it" and they will growl at another dog if they get too close. Never growled at me.

For both me & Tina, this version of EI8 is on the computers NOT working: version 8.0.6001.18702IC On Tina's Netbook - 8.0.6001.18702 and it works just fine I will look at my laptop when I go home but I know I have not updated IE8 since I bought it several months ago.

Sure, ok There has to be some common "thing" those of us having problems have. I have Windows XP Professional Version 2002 Service Pack 3 on work computer. I will have to check at home. I know it's XP

Sending lots of prayers.

Work is the same. Question on the compatibility issue. I have added GT to the sites but also, the box checked to have all websites in compatibility mode. Is it possible the firewall we have is doing this? I have no problems at home. The donation button is now at the bottom of the screen!!

Is she doing circles? Could also be vestibular?

Nothing has worked on the work computer and I wonder if our firewalls have anything to do with it? So, when I invite someone to GT now, I have to make sure I point them to this thread I know you guys are putting in a lot of work on this. I just wish isn't wasn't so much work to use here at work

This is from a post I made a couple of years ago regarding rimadyl and what I found researching NSAIDs: Following is from the Whole Dog Journal, letters to the editor. Although I do not agree with everything Dr. Grant says, I like the “attitude” of her practice. There is some good information here: I enjoyed reading Administer with Care, about NSAIDs (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs), in the June issue of WDJ. I found it to be extremely accurate, informative, and well-written. I have practiced veterinary medicine with a boarded specialty in small animal medicine and surgery, since 1981. In these 22 years I have seen significant advancements in the treatment of canine osteoarthritis. I first started to use Rimadyl in 1997 or thereabouts. I was aware of the side effects at the time, and always recommended a complete blood panel prior to its use. I also continued blood monitoring every three months while the patient was on this therapy. I have numerous arthritic-type drugs and supplements on my shelves, from aspirin, glucocorticoids, and phenylbutazone (a horse remedy) to Arthri-Nu, Glycoflex, Cosequin, EtoGesic, Adequan, Osteocare, and now Deramaxx. When I first graduated from veterinary school, buffered aspirin and phenylbutazone were the only available NSAIDs, and corticosteroids were used for severe cases. There were no neutraceutical remedies that were used at the time. In 2002, Time magazine published an article on osteoarthritis in humans. The authors analyzed the current rave in Cox-2 inhibitors, and also the non-drug or nutraceutical route. They ascertained that Cox-2 inhibitors were indeed functional in pain relief but had significant side effects, including many of the ones mentioned in your article. Of all the neutraceutical, herbal, and homeopathic remedies out there, the writers research found only the glucosamine and chondroitin supplements to be truly effective in both pain relief and maintenance of joint space width and functional mobility. I have done significant research in this area and I have found that NSAIDs (including aspirin, ibuprofen, Rimadyl, EtoGesic, and the new Cox-2 inhibitors such as Deramaxx) definitely relieve pain but they may also potentially damage the cartilage in the joint. The makers of Rimadyl, Etogesic, and Deramaxx claim that this isn’t true with Cox-2 inhibitors. They emphasize that as long as the recommended package dose (or lower) is maintained, their studies have not shown damage to the cartilage. I have not seen those studies, but I have seen the human studies that show that although NSAIDs relieve pain and provide some anti-inflammatory effects, there is no evidence illustrating their role in arresting the progression of the disease. In fact, they may actually accelerate disease progression by slowing the rate of proteoglycan synthesis and exacerbating the loss of cartilage. Basically all this means is that the building blocks of joints are actually slowed in their rates of joining and that the cartilage in turn can break down easier. I recommend NSAIDs for my clients as a very last resort, or prednisolone when the animal no longer responds to any of the neutraceutical remedies I use first. I use NSAIDs only when the patient’s blood panels are normal, and when the owner agrees to do monthly blood testing, has read the package labels regarding adverse reactions, and knows all the risks involved. If I have a young or old patient with osteoarthritis or any congenital or hereditary disease, I generally start them out on Breeders Choice Active Care treats or biscuits or Breeders Choices Active Care diet. I talk to the owner about the need for the dog’s weight loss and slowly increasing activity and walking for increasing time periods daily to help build up the supporting muscles to the joint that is afflicted with osteorarthritis. I recommend Cosequin, too, but I don’t always use this as my first neutraceutical because of the high levels of salt in the product. Most of my canine patients with osteoarthritis are older, and may have cardiac or renal disease. Salt levels need to be kept at a minimum in these patients. I tell my clients not to use one of the generic glucosamine or chondroitin sulfate products because university studies have shown that when these pills are tested for levels of glucosamine or chondroitin they are often not there or nowhere near the levels stated on the label. Furthermore, shelf stability is poor with these products. Cartilage foods, treats, and biscuits (such as those found in the Active Care products) are offered in their natural form and are not chemically manipulated to extract one or more glycosaminoglycan. I offer this line of nutritional therapy regularly and early in my patients’ lives. Cartilage has little or no fat or salt, which makes it an excellent supplement for all ages and breeds of dogs, especially when trying to minimize caloric intake for obese patients where weight contributes to osteorarthritis. If the dog is in severe pain I will prescribe EtoGesic (or now Deramaxx) with a meal, along with a cartilage-based food or treat, until the dog’s symptoms improve. I have also had tremendous success with Adequan, an injectable form of glycosaminoglycans (GAGs). This involves twice weekly injections for three weeks, then one injection every two to three weeks as needed. Generally I will use EtoGesic and a GAG product simultaneously for the rest of the pet’s life and recommend monthly blood testing or sooner if any adverse signs develop. In extreme cases, I still resort to glucocorticoids. Putting dogs (especially those breeds that are most likely to experience osteorarthritis) on cartilage-based foods, treats, and supplements to help mitigate the potential onset of osteoarthritis is highly recommended and very good nutritional therapy, and illustrates yet another alternative to treating osteoarthritis in companion animals. -Katalin Grant, DVM Long Beach, CA [Editor’s note: Dr. Grant is the consulting veterinarian for Breeder’s Choice, and is affiliated with Active Life Pet Products, maker of Osteocare, a GAG supplement. Active Life licenses its cartilage technology to Breeder’s Choice.] For Eliza and all the rimadyl dogs......

No side effects from supplements like anti inflammatories. Springtime's special with no shipping, buy two get two free ends today and it's a good deal. The Joint Health has chondroitin/glucosamine/msm in it and the Fresh Factors have chondroitin. Either one will help. (no I don't sell them and I don't have stock in the company) www.springtimeinc.com You can email me at Burpdog@msn.com if I can be of help.

Since he has had xrays, I'd try acupuncture and chiropractic (by certified vets). Do you have him on chondroitin/glucosamin/msm supplements?

Sending more prayers.

1/2 a baby aspirin a day Sending prayers!

Seems to me there should be something done since it is spreading. Not sure what. Sending prayers.

Those pictures are spectacular! What a special boy

I'll try when I go to work this morning, but it was the same after I: deleted temp files etc as suggested updated to IE8 optimum restarted computer by restarting (not shutting down completely) hard refresh Maybe shutting completely down will fix it. btw - I was able to log out and back in.

Cleared the stuff, restarted computer, no change. Thought I'd log out and back into GT and received this error message: [#2012] The link you followed to logout appears to be badly formed. Please go back and click the link again. I guess I am forever here....

Have you tried low dose pred? When did she have her stroke? I did Slick's when he was 13 1/2 and I'd not do it again at that age, or I'd try the heck out of other things. He was miserable. I think Dr. Couto's other "fix" for stmatitis was dyclsporin. Because of her age I think I would go ahead and pull them now. You certainly don't want to wait till she is older. edited: this reply box doesn't show for me at work so please excuse typos.