NeylasMom Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 That's great news! But $270?! MSU only charges about $150 if I recall plus whatever your vet charges to draw/ship the blood. I think you can monitor with only T4 moving forward, but if you need a full panel look into MSU. Quote Jen, CPDT-KA with Zuri, lab in a greyhound suit, Violet, formerly known as Faith, Skye, the permanent puppy, Cisco, resident cat, and my baby girl Neyla, forever in my heart "The great thing about science is that you're free to disagree with it, but you'll be wrong." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleptogrey Posted October 30, 2017 Author Share Posted October 30, 2017 thanks- it's also interesting his coat has returned to his old coat. felix always had scant chest hair and a thinner- but full coat. last year he turned into a fuzzy bear. it's good to see that things look like they are returning to normal. his collection of logs for the log lady is growing daily!! that's my boy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbhounds Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) Looking good! Just run a T4 from now on (6 hours post pill admin). Edited to add about the charge-Im sure the fee included a tech fee to draw the blood and the sample needs to be sent either overnight or 2 day air-that can be costly. Edited October 30, 2017 by tbhounds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleptogrey Posted October 30, 2017 Author Share Posted October 30, 2017 thanks TBHOUNDS!!! and thanks for the info re:fees. the vet herself drew the blood, very hands on but you are right shipping is costly. and the appointment is scheduled for the 6hr mark after his 9am pill. it's good that both you and ralph(my long time friend the wandering vet- worked in nepal, india, you name it as well as ny, nj , florida and the Philippines) both said "just run a T4" . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmom Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Agree, T4 is fine for monitoring meds. So glad he seems more like himself! Quote Star aka Starz Ovation (Ronco x Oneco Maggie*, litter #48538), Coco aka Low Key (Kiowa Mon Manny x Party Hardy, litter # 59881), and mom in IllinoisWe miss Reko Batman (Trouper Zeke x Marque Louisiana), 11/15/95-6/29/06, Rocco the thistledown whippet, 04/29/93-10/14/08, Reko Zema (Mo Kick x Reko Princess), 8/16/98-4/18/10, the most beautiful girl in the whole USA, my good egg Joseph aka Won by a Nose (Oneco Cufflink x Buy Back), 09/22/2003-03/01/2013, and our gentle sweet Gidget (Digitizer, Dodgem by Design x Sobe Mulberry), 1/29/2006-11/22/2014, gone much too soon. Never forgetting CJC's Buckshot, 1/2/07-10/25/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleptogrey Posted November 10, 2017 Author Share Posted November 10, 2017 (edited) 6weeks later, from my original post BLOOD work shows that his T4 is LOWER, by 1! Felix is going on 0.3 dose of soloxine. Why would it drop? You guys probably have a better idea than anyone but Dr. Couto. When I return for testing in 6 weeks I will ask if this time they consult with him if results are still off. Oh, as to the cost, it wasn't that bad, $56 for the T4. I was expecting worse,but what do you think about the drop? Edited November 10, 2017 by cleptogrey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmom Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Why would it drop? Is there anything else going on with him -- on other meds, changes in weight, etc.? If not, could be that the 0.1 dose is just too low to achieve any change in his circulating T4 level. That is a tiny tiny dose. But you know what? If he's feeling well, it's all good -- that matters more than the numbers. At some point you could run a TSH too, to see if that has dropped back to normal. I'd see how he does on the 0.3 dose and then consider whether to run just the T4 or add the TSH. Be interested to see what tbhounds / JJNg / others think. Quote Star aka Starz Ovation (Ronco x Oneco Maggie*, litter #48538), Coco aka Low Key (Kiowa Mon Manny x Party Hardy, litter # 59881), and mom in IllinoisWe miss Reko Batman (Trouper Zeke x Marque Louisiana), 11/15/95-6/29/06, Rocco the thistledown whippet, 04/29/93-10/14/08, Reko Zema (Mo Kick x Reko Princess), 8/16/98-4/18/10, the most beautiful girl in the whole USA, my good egg Joseph aka Won by a Nose (Oneco Cufflink x Buy Back), 09/22/2003-03/01/2013, and our gentle sweet Gidget (Digitizer, Dodgem by Design x Sobe Mulberry), 1/29/2006-11/22/2014, gone much too soon. Never forgetting CJC's Buckshot, 1/2/07-10/25/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleptogrey Posted November 11, 2017 Author Share Posted November 11, 2017 Baton, I stand to correct myself, some i posted 0.1 when he is in 0.2,now 0.3. Felix did loose 3/4# over thw last 6 weeks but he had gainwd that much prior to going on the soloxine. His coat has returned to the tight short coat of thw past with nearly bald chest. It was down right thick and hairy. He is acting like himself which means much more than #s at this point. Thanks for the input. Oh, no signs of anaplasmosis right now. Who knows, he belongs to that lovely tribe of mystery dogs that we all seem to favor! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbhounds Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Timing of the blood draw is most likely the reason for the drop. Did your vet discuss that with you? Maybe this will help... “The lowest thyroid level of the day is found by taking the blood sample right before a tablet would normally be given. The highest level of the day is found by taking the blood sample 4-6 hours after it is given.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleptogrey Posted November 12, 2017 Author Share Posted November 12, 2017 the blood was drawn exactly 6 hrs after the meds were administered. her instructions were 6-8 hrs post meds. as i mentioned he's acting more like himself, but when i look at his skin and coat it's brittle. i am giving him fish oil and NUPRO supplement daily and changed over to salmon based PRO PLAN. annie's coat and skin looks fine- here's what's in old fashioned Nupro Active Ingredients - Desiccated Liver (Pork), Norwegian Kelp, Bee Pollen, Imported Yeast Culture, Flaxseed, Lecithin, Garlic Concentrate, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Calcium Citrate Guaranteed AnalysisCrude Protein (min) 25%Crude Fat (min) 9%Crude Fiber (max) 20%Moisture (max) 11% VitaminsVitamin A 2635 IUVitamin D 48 IUVitamin E .074 IUVitamin C 100 mgVitamin K 42 mcgVitamin B-1 224 mgVitamin B-2 10 mgVitamin B-6 2.333 mgVitamin B-12 114 mgPantothenic Acid 0.907 mgFolic Acid 275 mcgPaba 25 mgCholine 149 mgInositol 75 mgRutin 50 mgBiotin 140 mg MineralsCalcium 330 mgMagnesium 99 mgPhosphorus 274 mgPotassium 422 mgSodium 215 mgZinc 4 mgCopper 1.07 mgManganese 0.4 mgIodine 300 mcgSulfhur 248 mgSilica 55 mgMolybdenum 40 mcgBoron 390 mcgSelenium 20 mcgIron 7 mg Proteins (Amino Acids)Alanine 0.70 mgArginine 0.33 mgAspartic Acid 0.94 mgAsparagine 53 mgCystine 0.05 mgCysteine 84 mgGlycine 0.49 mgGlutamic Acid 1.37 mgHistidine 0.24 mg EnzymesAmlase 125 mgTrypsin 103 mgPapain 207 mgLipase 117 mgProtease 125 mgBromelain 115 mgPepsin 32 mgDiatase 29 mgPectase 25 mgHydroxyproline 27.3 mgIsoleucine 0.20 mgLeucine 0.68 mgLysine 0.62 mgMethsonine 43.1 mgValine 0.33 mgOrnithine 8.67 mgPhenylalnine 0.34 mgProline 0.46 mgSerine 0.52 mgThreonine 0.37 mgGlutamine 137 mgTyrosine 0.37 mgTaurine .02 mg Essential Fatty AcidsArachidonic Acid 550 mgLinolenic Acid (Omega 3) 1600 mgLinoleic Acid (Omega 6) 675 mgOleic Acid (Omega 9) 450 mg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbhounds Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 You typically won’t see a hair coat change for about 4 months-it takes time. I never heard of waiting 8 hours post tablet before the blood draw-it’s typically 4-6 hours post. Because the draw was 6 hours post I would tend to believe that’s why you saw a little drop in the result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleptogrey Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 will mention this to my vet when i reschedule. i did read both the 4-6 and 6-8 hr. wait. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTRAWLD Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 . these greyhounds make temperamental BMWs, Fiats and old fashion Land Rovers look reliable!!! Quote of the year! Quote Proudly owned by:10 year old "Ryder" CR Redman Gotcha May 201012.5 year old Angel "Kasey" Goodbye Kasey Gotcha July 2005-Aug 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nicky604 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 I just adopted a greyhound also named Felix (GM's Felix). He is hypo-thyroid, symptomatic, been to the vet, had a full thyroid panel with poor results (outside of normal range). I'm struggling to get him to gain weight. He weighed 65 lbs at the vet. He has diarrhea too. I've been feeding him 2 cups of food, twice a day plus lots of treats. But it just goes right through him ): Heartworm negative .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleptogrey Posted December 12, 2017 Author Share Posted December 12, 2017 I just adopted a greyhound also named Felix (GM's Felix). He is hypo-thyroid, symptomatic, been to the vet, had a full thyroid panel with poor results (outside of normal range). I'm struggling to get him to gain weight. He weighed 65 lbs at the vet. He has diarrhea too. I've been feeding him 2 cups of food, twice a day plus lots of treats. But it just goes right through him ): Heartworm negative .. how long have you had your Felix?(your is only the 2nd grey aside from mine w/ that name in 11 years). it does take a while to get their gut cleaned up and for them to start gaining weight once they are off the track. don't be shocked if you need numerous rounds of flagyl. try boiled white rice or yams or potatoes as a carb to help add some calories and they are good for the loose poop. don't start changing foods and do run a stool culture. if you post the #s and the normal range there are quite a few thyroid savvy gh owners here as you can see. both TBHOUNDS and BATMOM read and responded pretty quickly. did they just do a T4 or a full panel? good luck, Feelie is my affectionate name for "The Felix". mine has always been quite the character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmom Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Did he have a full thyroid panel, or just the T4? Is he on thyroid meds? Dosage? Have a fecal and complete bloodwork been done? Quote Star aka Starz Ovation (Ronco x Oneco Maggie*, litter #48538), Coco aka Low Key (Kiowa Mon Manny x Party Hardy, litter # 59881), and mom in IllinoisWe miss Reko Batman (Trouper Zeke x Marque Louisiana), 11/15/95-6/29/06, Rocco the thistledown whippet, 04/29/93-10/14/08, Reko Zema (Mo Kick x Reko Princess), 8/16/98-4/18/10, the most beautiful girl in the whole USA, my good egg Joseph aka Won by a Nose (Oneco Cufflink x Buy Back), 09/22/2003-03/01/2013, and our gentle sweet Gidget (Digitizer, Dodgem by Design x Sobe Mulberry), 1/29/2006-11/22/2014, gone much too soon. Never forgetting CJC's Buckshot, 1/2/07-10/25/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleptogrey Posted December 16, 2017 Author Share Posted December 16, 2017 GOOD NEWS!!! IT LOOKS LIKE 0.3MG SOLOXINE IS FELIX'S SWEET SPOT! now, it's pain management. we are heading down to texas in 3 weeks, the warm weather should do all of us some good! btw, the other felix....has your vet looked into ATYPICAL ADDISON'S ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmom Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Wonderful! Quote Star aka Starz Ovation (Ronco x Oneco Maggie*, litter #48538), Coco aka Low Key (Kiowa Mon Manny x Party Hardy, litter # 59881), and mom in IllinoisWe miss Reko Batman (Trouper Zeke x Marque Louisiana), 11/15/95-6/29/06, Rocco the thistledown whippet, 04/29/93-10/14/08, Reko Zema (Mo Kick x Reko Princess), 8/16/98-4/18/10, the most beautiful girl in the whole USA, my good egg Joseph aka Won by a Nose (Oneco Cufflink x Buy Back), 09/22/2003-03/01/2013, and our gentle sweet Gidget (Digitizer, Dodgem by Design x Sobe Mulberry), 1/29/2006-11/22/2014, gone much too soon. Never forgetting CJC's Buckshot, 1/2/07-10/25/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeh2o Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Great news! I would stop the Nupro, it has too much kelp in it which, per my very, the iodine in it can interfere with the thyroid meds. I had to keep Carl and Doodles off anything with kelp in it. When I started feeding them raw I had to keep them off of crucifeous vegetable, too. Quote Sunsands Doodles: Doodles aka Claire, Bella Run Softly: Softy aka Bowie (the Diamond Dog) Missing my beautiful boy Sunsands Carl 2.25.2003 - 4.1.2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleptogrey Posted December 17, 2017 Author Share Posted December 17, 2017 (edited) thank you seeh2o,(i think i found the jean dodds article that you must have read). i am going to talk to both my vet and nupro customer service on monday. felix has been on Nupro for the last 3-4 months. last 2, T4 test performed while he was on the supplement. his #s were low prior to starting it, but the vet(greyhound savvy) who read them thought he was at the borderline and decided to skip supplementation but had thought of it and decided that since it was borderline to wait. they were low back in april. (can't cry over spilt milk). i need to check and see if the 300mcg does affect him. of course he has had wonderful results w/ the Nupro and after going thru 2, 5# tubs i purchased a 20# tub of the stuff! but customer service of both Nupro and Chewy are excellent. It's the thought of shipping something that heavy! Edited December 17, 2017 by cleptogrey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleptogrey Posted December 18, 2017 Author Share Posted December 18, 2017 i quick called Nupro today and the rep. suggested that I have his T4 test done while he is on the supplement. The last 2 tests were done when he was on the Nupro, full dose. The current results are within the normal range, my vet is happy. From what I read only Jean Dodds commented that there shouldn't be any iodine. The other remarks in articles did not steer one away from it. Unless things change, his coat, gut(lots of probiotics in it) and stool are happy. SeeH2O, please forward any other findings so I can reflect upon them, thank you! also, thanks GTers for your support! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleptogrey Posted December 20, 2017 Author Share Posted December 20, 2017 Just did lepto booster and checked t4#. It's now .9. As with Gus his numbers did not register on the 2nd test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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