List Of Approved Anesthesia That Are Safe

[Guest FordRacingRon]

A lot of time we hear what we should not have our doggys put under with but frankly that seems to always escape me when sitting in a vets office. What I am looking for would be a small list or someone with knowedge of what specific anesthesia meds that can safely be given to out greys. A list you could show a vet and tell them that these are the only drugs I will allow you to use on my dog.

 

Why you sak? Leia had something on her eye called a indolent corneal ulcer. We have been treating her under the guidance of her doggy opthamologist. I suspect the treatments that we are trying are not working and the next step is a minor procedure but one that may require Leia to be put under. Since this is not her normal vet, I am going to push as hard as I can to not put her under but if she has to be, I want a list to show the vet and tell her these are the only meds I approve. I do not know if she actually has done this to greys before.

 

 

[Guest KennelMom]

This PDF has a section on anesthesia: http://www.greyhoundadoptionofoh.org/Library/2010-greyhound-medical-packet.pdf

 

I can't imagine there's a vet out there that doesn't know about the idiosyncrasies of sighthounds with respect to anesthesia.

[krissy]

This PDF has a section on anesthesia: http://www.greyhoundadoptionofoh.org/Library/2010-greyhound-medical-packet.pdf

 

I can't imagine there's a vet out there that doesn't know about the idiosyncrasies of sighthounds with respect to anesthesia.

 

We learn almost nothing about greyhounds in vet school, but the one thing we DO learn is anesthesia. The one thing I know that they tend to give in higher doses than recommended by SOME greyhound vets is Acepromazine (a sedative, not an anesthetic). It's not particularly dangerous it just zonks some greyhounds out for HOURS. Dr. Couto recommends no more than 0.5 mg of Acepromazine per greyhound but I've seen normal doses used with effects that lasted no longer on a greyhound than any other dog.

[EnzaFerrari]

This PDF has a section on anesthesia: http://www.greyhound...ical-packet.pdf

 

I can't imagine there's a vet out there that doesn't know about the idiosyncrasies of sighthounds with respect to anesthesia.

 

You'd be surprised. Years ago when I was at the evet, I mentioned the issue and the vet scoffed at me. She said it was just a myth and greyhound owners are a bit nuts about it. I took Enza home and swore to never ever ever go back to that Evet unless I had too. I'd rather drive 30 mins further away to another one.

[Guest PiagetsMom]

This PDF has a section on anesthesia: http://www.greyhound...ical-packet.pdf

 

I can't imagine there's a vet out there that doesn't know about the idiosyncrasies of sighthounds with respect to anesthesia.

 

You'd be surprised. Years ago when I was at the evet, I mentioned the issue and the vet scoffed at me. She said it was just a myth and greyhound owners are a bit nuts about it. I took Enza home and swore to never ever ever go back to that Evet unless I had too. I'd rather drive 30 mins further away to another one.

 

Yes, I had a similar experience with the vet that I'd used previously for other pups. He was firm that greyhounds had no special needs with anesthesia. I'd gone to this vet for years, but he was not the vet I chose for my greys.

[Guest june]

I know of several instances where a vet has insisted on doing what he or she thought was right and the poor dog paid the price.

 

I agree with you. If I was facing possible surgery by a vet other than my vet I'd want the same information.

 

Hope all goes well.

june

[Guest KennelMom]

Maybe b/c we live in the south and there are a lot of tracks and a lot of adoption dogs down here. I've yet to encounter a vet in NC/SC that didn't lay hands on greyhounds or learn about them during vet school

Edited December 20, 2011 by KennelMom

[Hubcitypam]

When I first started with greys and established the rescue branch I offended quite a few vets with my questions making sure they understood about sighthounds and anesthesia.

 

Finally one looked at me, barely restrained rolling his eyes, and with a heavy sigh said "M'am, I don't know who you've been talking to but if there is a vet on this planet that has no clue about greyhounds and anesthesia he or she must have been hiding under a rock for the last 10 years".

 

That was ten years ago and he was a mostly large animal vet in the Texas Panhandle..

[Guest kydie]

our old vet retired, and new(young,,, out of school 5 years he told me) guy from the city bought out his practice,,, the time I meet him with my grey,, first words out of his mouth was "I'm not real familiar with greyhounds", so now I drive the grey 1 hour one way to an older vet that is FAMILIAR with greys!

[tbhounds]

This PDF has a section on anesthesia: http://www.greyhoundadoptionofoh.org/Library/2010-greyhound-medical-packet.pdf

 

I can't imagine there's a vet out there that doesn't know about the idiosyncrasies of sighthounds with respect to anesthesia.

 

We learn almost nothing about greyhounds in vet school, but the one thing we DO learn is anesthesia. The one thing I know that they tend to give in higher doses than recommended by SOME greyhound vets is Acepromazine (a sedative, not an anesthetic). It's not particularly dangerous it just zonks some greyhounds out for HOURS. Dr. Couto recommends no more than 0.5 mg of Acepromazine per greyhound but I've seen normal doses used with effects that lasted no longer on a greyhound than any other dog.

Think you mean 0.05mgs of Ace?? I have never given any dog more than 0.3mls (10mgs/ml) to any dog nevermind a greyhound.

[Guest FordRacingRon]

Sorry,,I've been out all day. I think that maybe tracks and locales may have a lot to do with what a vet learns or needs to learn and this is Los Angeles. They need to learn how to take our money ! Page 7 of that PDF is what I am looking for,,thank you. I am crossing my fingers that there will be some improvement (there was 3 weeks ago, this has been going on for 5 weeks) and surgery won't even come up. Fingers crossed.

[PrairieProf]

Also I think anesthesia protocols for all dogs have advanced a lot, so that all dogs now (at least in up to date animal hospitals) are being anesthetized via protocols that are safe for greys. I know that's the case with my vet.

Edited December 21, 2011 by PrairieProf

[Batmom]

Also I think anesthesia protocols for all dogs have advanced a lot, so that all dogs now (at least in up to date animal hospitals) are being anesthetized via protocols that are safe for greys. I know that's the case with my vet.

 

Yep. That may be why some folks get the "Say WHAT?!" from some vets. It's been 20? years since any vet I've gone to has used the non-greyhound-safe meds for *any* dog.

 

That said, it never hurts to ask.

Edited December 21, 2011 by Batmom

[seeh2o]

Sorry,,I've been out all day. I think that maybe tracks and locales may have a lot to do with what a vet learns or needs to learn and this is Los Angeles. They need to learn how to take our money ! Page 7 of that PDF is what I am looking for,,thank you. I am crossing my fingers that there will be some improvement (there was 3 weeks ago, this has been going on for 5 weeks) and surgery won't even come up. Fingers crossed.

I'm sorry to hear your girl is having trouble. Who is your opthalmologist?

[Guest FordRacingRon]

Sorry,,I've been out all day. I think that maybe tracks and locales may have a lot to do with what a vet learns or needs to learn and this is Los Angeles. They need to learn how to take our money ! Page 7 of that PDF is what I am looking for,,thank you. I am crossing my fingers that there will be some improvement (there was 3 weeks ago, this has been going on for 5 weeks) and surgery won't even come up. Fingers crossed.

I'm sorry to hear your girl is having trouble. Who is your opthalmologist?

 

Her name is Dr Christin Chapman. Her office is in Torrance. She told s she used to be in a gorup of specialists in the South Bay but moved to her own office.

[GeorgeofNE]

Maybe b/c we live in the south and there are a lot of tracks and a lot of adoption dogs down here. I've yet to encounter a vet in NC/SC that didn't lay hands on greyhounds or learn about them during vet school

 

 

Same up here in New England. We have a vet school up here, and until recently two tracks. George's specialist owns Greyhounds and worked in Jacksonville patching up injured racers for her residency.

[JJNg]

As others have mentioned, anesthesia for greyhounds is really not much of an issue these days. The barbiturate anesthetics that greys are sensitive to are rarely used anymore, unless you happen to have an 'old school' vet who is still using protocols that were popular 20 years ago. This is unlikely to be the case with a specialist/referral center.

 

It still doesn't hurt to ask what anesthetic drugs they are planning to use, but most drugs commonly used now are safe for greys. The safest anesthetic protocol is usually the one the vet is most familiar with using. To insist that a vet use a drug they are inexperienced with is asking for trouble. Here's a good article by Dr. Stack about anesthesia.

 

Think you mean 0.05mgs of Ace?? I have never given any dog more than 0.3mls (10mgs/ml) to any dog nevermind a greyhound.

Actually, 0.5 mg of ace is right (0.5 mg = 0.05 ml). With a 10 mg/ml solution, when you give 0.3 ml, that's 3 mg of ace.

Edited December 22, 2011 by jjng

[tbhounds]

As others have mentioned, anesthesia for greyhounds is really not much of an issue these days. The barbiturate anesthetics that greys are sensitive to are rarely used anymore, unless you happen to have an 'old school' vet who is still using protocols that were popular 20 years ago. This is unlikely to be the case with a specialist/referral center.

 

It still doesn't hurt to ask what anesthetic drugs they are planning to use, but most drugs commonly used now are safe for greys. The safest anesthetic protocol is usually the one the vet is most familiar with using. To insist that a vet use a drug they are inexperienced with is asking for trouble. Here's a good article by Dr. Stack about anesthesia.

 

Think you mean 0.05mgs of Ace?? I have never given any dog more than 0.3mls (10mgs/ml) to any dog nevermind a greyhound.

Actually, 0.5 mg of ace is right (0.5 mg = 0.05 ml). With a 10 mg/ml solution, when you give 0.3 ml, that's 3 mg of ace.

Ah yes of course--(another late night post!!)

[Guest FordRacingRon]

Well a moot point for us afterall. Leia's corneal ulcer has disappeared so it would seem the drug protocal she tried worked. She mentioned this little probable benign lump on Leia's other eye and she wants to watch it so we are to come back in 4 months. She mentione dif it has to be remeoved she will be using a laser next year and she knows many dog owners would prefer that because she knows many don't want their dogs put under, especially we grey owners. So I jumped the gun and she is aware. thanks everyone.

[krissy]

This PDF has a section on anesthesia: http://www.greyhoundadoptionofoh.org/Library/2010-greyhound-medical-packet.pdf

 

I can't imagine there's a vet out there that doesn't know about the idiosyncrasies of sighthounds with respect to anesthesia.

 

We learn almost nothing about greyhounds in vet school, but the one thing we DO learn is anesthesia. The one thing I know that they tend to give in higher doses than recommended by SOME greyhound vets is Acepromazine (a sedative, not an anesthetic). It's not particularly dangerous it just zonks some greyhounds out for HOURS. Dr. Couto recommends no more than 0.5 mg of Acepromazine per greyhound but I've seen normal doses used with effects that lasted no longer on a greyhound than any other dog.

Think you mean 0.05mgs of Ace?? I have never given any dog more than 0.3mls (10mgs/ml) to any dog nevermind a greyhound.

 

Never mind. I'm being dumb. ha ha. I didn't read further to see that I was actually right. I went on a hunt for literature thinking I'd said something silly. Doesn't take much to make a 4th year doubt themselves.

Edited December 22, 2011 by krissy

[seeh2o]

Well a moot point for us afterall. Leia's corneal ulcer has disappeared so it would seem the drug protocal she tried worked. She mentioned this little probable benign lump on Leia's other eye and she wants to watch it so we are to come back in 4 months. She mentione dif it has to be remeoved she will be using a laser next year and she knows many dog owners would prefer that because she knows many don't want their dogs put under, especially we grey owners. So I jumped the gun and she is aware. thanks everyone.

Good news!!!!!! Hugs to your sweet little Leia. (Carl and Claire are at Dana's right now where we met a couple of summers ago!)

[Guest FordRacingRon]

Good news!!!!!! Hugs to your sweet little Leia. (Carl and Claire are at Dana's right now where we met a couple of summers ago!)

 

Greyhound paradise (Dana's). I have never seen a lady with such zen around the dogs. They are so calm around her. I sitter in Anaheim is a love but the dogs go nuts over there. At Dana's it is very zen and calm.

 

The thing with this opthamologist is she could be like our regualr vet and try to take our wallets because of all things we could reelay have been given a story aobut is Leia's eyes. So after we already spent 700 bucks we were gearing up for her to tell us the procedures (embibe,,is that the word) and the drugs didn't work. Especailly when I read on the web that the procedures she did only works 50% of the time. But we were in the winning 50% this time.

[tbhounds]

This PDF has a section on anesthesia: http://www.greyhoundadoptionofoh.org/Library/2010-greyhound-medical-packet.pdf

 

I can't imagine there's a vet out there that doesn't know about the idiosyncrasies of sighthounds with respect to anesthesia.

 

We learn almost nothing about greyhounds in vet school, but the one thing we DO learn is anesthesia. The one thing I know that they tend to give in higher doses than recommended by SOME greyhound vets is Acepromazine (a sedative, not an anesthetic). It's not particularly dangerous it just zonks some greyhounds out for HOURS. Dr. Couto recommends no more than 0.5 mg of Acepromazine per greyhound but I've seen normal doses used with effects that lasted no longer on a greyhound than any other dog.

Think you mean 0.05mgs of Ace?? I have never given any dog more than 0.3mls (10mgs/ml) to any dog nevermind a greyhound.

 

Never mind. I'm being dumb. ha ha. I didn't read further to see that I was actually right. I went on a hunt for literature thinking I'd said something silly. Doesn't take much to make a 4th year doubt themselves.

LOL-- gotta keep ya on your toes!!!!!