macoduck Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 (edited) Thane peed bright red blood this morning. He didn't want breakfast, is panting. Took him to the E-vet who said there were neoplastic cells in his urine (catheterized). He had a temp of 103.5. He was given IV fluids, Baytril injection, Baytril pills, buprenorphine injection for pain. I am going to a vet 1.5 hours away - the only one who has ultrasound - and beg them to scan him Monday. No ultrasound locally or anywhere nearby today. Need interpretation: WBC ..... 11.3 (high) gh normal range 3.5-6.5 .... 6.6 (6/22/09)....4.2 (2/24/09) ....6.74 (10/17/08) HGB ...... 18.6 (low) gh normal range 19.0-21.5)..21.3 (6/22/09)...21.9 (2/24/09)...22.5 (10/17/08) RDWA....53.3 (high) dog normal range 35-53 ....56.7 (6/22/09) ...57.9 (2/24/09) is greyhound normal same value as other dog normal? RDW%...17.6 (high) dog normal range 11-16 ....18.3 96/22/09) ...18.2 (2/24/09) ...14.9 (10/17/08) is greyhound normal same vaule as other dog normal? PLT ....136,000 gh normal range 80,000-200,000 ...148,000 (6/22/09) ...162,000 (2.24.09) ...56,000 10/17/08) CREATININE 2.8 (high) gh normal range .8-1.6 ...1.3 (2/21/09) .... 1.2 (10/17/08) GLOBULIN 3.8 (high) gh normal range 2.1-3.2 ...3.3 (2/21/09) ....2.8 (10/17/08) ALK PHOSPHATASE.... 79 ....34 (2/21/09) ....85 (10/17/08) ALT(SGPT) ...48 .... 34 (2/21/09) .... 57 (10/17/08) ALBUMIN ...3.3 same as previous They couldn't do bilirubin because machine was down Urinalysis from dipstick: Leucocytes negative Nitrite negative Urobilinogen normal Protein >+++2000 Ph 7 Blood >1g S.Gravity 1030 Ketone negative Bilirubin 1g Glucose normal Lab work done in 10/08 was from when Thane first came to us and was deathly sick a week later with severe gastroenteritis. Lab work done in 6/09 was from when he was lethargic, had painful belly, wouldn't eat, full xrays done all negative, given paid meds, Phazyme and Pepcid. Edited August 5, 2009 by macoduck Freshy (Droopys Fresh), NoAh the podenco orito, Howie the portuguese podengo maneto Angels: Rita the podenco maneta, Lila, the podenco, Mr X aka Denali, Lulu the podenco andaluz, Hada the podenco maneta, Georgie Girl (UMR Cordella), Charlie the iggy, Mazy (CBR Crazy Girl), Potato, my mystery ibizan girl, Allen (M's Pretty Boy), Percy (Fast But True), Mikey (Doray's Patuti), Pudge le mutt, Tessa the iggy, Possum (Apostle), Gracie (Dusty Lady), Harold (Slatex Harold), "Cousin" Simon our step-iggy, Little Dude the iggy ,Bandit (Bb Blue Jay), Niña the galgo, Wally (Allen Hogg), Thane (Pog Mo Thoine), Oliver (JJ Special Agent), Comet, & Rosie our original mutt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahicks51 Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 RDWA....53.3 (high) dog normal range 35-53 ....56.7 (6/22/09) ...57.9 (2/24/09) is greyhound normal same value as other dog normal? RDW%...17.6 (high) dog normal range 11-16 ....18.3 96/22/09) ...18.2 (2/24/09) ...14.9 (10/17/08) is greyhound normal same vaule as other dog normal? RDW (don't know what RDWA is, and Google isn't helping) is a dimensionless measure of the "normal size" of red blood cells. Normally you want them to be all the same size; if you have some that are too big (megaloblastic cells) or too small, then that skews the average size. I *think* RDW mainly goes out of whack due to nutritional reasons- failure to absorb this or that. The main one I know about is folic acid deficiency (folate deficiency), resulting in megaloblastic anemia. While 53.3 is just a *hair* outside of the norms (35-53), and the RDW% is just a bit high (having dropped from your previous two measurements in 2009), I wouldn't worry about them quite so much. The values should be in line with those for other breeds of dog; they are not peculiar in sighthounds, best as I know. Coco (Maze Cocodrillo) Minerva (Kid's Snipper) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest greybookends Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Ducky I haven't a clue as to what that all means But a pray he is ok! :hope :hope :hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest argolola Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 I have him on my prayer list. God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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maryz Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Sending prayers for Thane and hoping you get some answers tomorrow. Good luck. Mary, mom to kitty Rebel.Always missing Sherri (SO DELICIOUS) (12/6/2005-8/29/2018) kitties Marley (4/2000-12/3/2015) and Beady (4/1998-2/24/2006) and Dalmatian Daisy (7/25/1984-5/13/1999). The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not - Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazygang Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Hope and pray he gets well soon.... Run free our beloved Sir Snowy, Pip, Queenie, Sadie, Tess & Rosie until we meet again......I would rather feel the thorn than to never see the rose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaGreys Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 I'm familiar with some of the values but not all, hopefully someone with more experience will chime in here. Thane in tucked very tightly in my prayers. I love that boy! Missing my little Misty who took a huge piece of my heart with her on 5/2/09, and Ekko, on 6/28/12 For the sick, the lost, and the homeless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Energy11 Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Hey Ducky... hope this helps! Sorry to hear Thane isn't feeling well! MIGHT be a very bad kidney infection, and/or stoned. Love and hugs from us here! D NORMAL VALUES FOR: Greyhounds Other Dogs RBC: 7.4 - 9.0 5.5 - 8.5 Hgb: 19.0 - 21.5 12.0 - 18.0 PCV: 55 - 65 37 - 55 Greyhounds have significantly more red blood cells than other breeds. This elevates parameters for RBC, hemoglobin, and PCV / HCT, and is the reason greyhounds are so desirable as blood donors. Most veterinarians are aware of this difference. Never accept a diagnosis of polycythemia - a once-in-a-lifetime-rare diagnosis of pathologic red cell overproduction - in a greyhound. Conversely, never interpret a greyhound PCV in the 30's - low 40's as being normal just because it is for other dogs. A greyhound with a PCV in the 30's - low 40's is an anemic greyhound. Here in Arizona, a greyhound PCV < 50 is a red flag to check for Ehrlichia. WBC Greyhound: 3.5 - 6.5 Other dog: 6.0 - 17.0 Other greyhound CBC changes are less well known. The greyhound's normally low WBC has caused more than one healthy greyhound to undergo a bone marrow biopsy in search of "cancer" or some other cause of the "low WBC." Platelets Greyhound: 80,000 - 200,000 Other dog: 150,000 - 400,000 Likewise, greyhound platelet numbers are lower on average than other breeds, which might be mistakenly interpreted as a problem. It is thought that greyhound WBCs, platelets, and total protein may be lower to physiologically "make room" in the bloodstream for the increased red cell load. Confounding these normally low WBC and platelet numbers is the fact that Ehrlichia, a common blood parasite of greyhounds, can lower WBC and platelet counts. So if there is any doubt as to whether the WBC / platelet counts are normal, an Ehrlichia titer is always in order. The other classic changes with Ehrlichia are lowered PCV and elevated globulin and total protein. But bear in mind that every greyhound will not have every change, and Ehrlichia greyhounds can have normal CBCs. Chem Panel T.P. = Total Protein Globulin Creatinine T4 NORMAL VALUES FOR: T.P. Globulin Greyhound: 4.5 - 6.2 Greyhound: 2.1 - 3.2 Other dog: 5.4 - 7.8 Other dog: 2.8 - 4.2 Greyhound total proteins tend to run on the low end of normal - T.P.s in the 5.0's and 6.0's are the norm. While the albumin fraction of T.P. is the same as other dogs, the globulin component is lower. Creatinine Greyhounds: .8 - 1.6 Other dogs: .0 - 1.0 Greyhound creatinines run higher than other breeds as a function of their large lean muscle mass. A study at the Auburn University College of Veterinary Medicine found that 80% of retired greyhounds they sampled had creatinine values up to 1.6 times as high as the top of the standard reference range for "other dogs." As a lone finding, an "elevated creatinine" is not indicative of impending kidney failure. If the BUN and urinalysis are normal, so is the "elevated" creatinine. T4 Greyhounds: .5 - 3.6 (mean 1.47+/- .63) Other dogs: 1.52 - 3.60 These figures are from a University of Florida study of thyroid function in 221 greyhounds - 97 racers, 99 broods, and 25 studs - so it included both racers and "retired." While greyhound thyroid levels are a whole chapter unto themselves, a good rule of thumb is that greyhound T4s run about half that of other breeds. Urinalysis And lastly, the good news - greyhound urinalysis is the same as other breeds. It is normal for males to have small to moderate amounts of bilirubin in the urine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhndz Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Thane peed bright red blood this morning. He didn't want breakfast, is panting. Took him to the E-vet who said there were neoplastic cells in his urine (catheterized). OH, CRAP, Ducky. He had a temp of 103.5. He was given IV fluids, Baytril injection, Baytril pills, buprenorphine injection for pain. All sounds right so far. I am going to a vet 1.5 hours away - the only one who has ultrasound - and beg them to scan him Monday. No ultrasound locally or anywhere nearby today. I don't think you need one to be done urgently today. It really won't affect his treatment plan at this point. With a temp of 103.5 he's almost certainly got a UTI, so everything your vet did is on target and should take precedence. The U/S can wait for a day or two. Need interpretation: WBC ..... 11.3 (high) gh normal range 3.5-6.5 .... 6.6 (6/22/09)....4.2 (2/24/09) ....6.74 (10/17/08) 11.3 is really only minimally elevated. The normal range (depending on the lab) can go up to 10-12K HGB ...... 18.6 (low) gh normal range 19.0-21.5)..21.3 (6/22/09)...21.9 (2/24/09)...22.5 (10/17/08) Again, slightly low, but may actually be lower once he's been hydrated. I'd call this a "dry" hematocrit, so it may appear artificially higher than it really is. Expect it to be a bit lower the next time it's checked, if he's been given IV fluids. RDWA....53.3 (high) dog normal range 35-53 ....56.7 (6/22/09) ...57.9 (2/24/09) is greyhound normal same value as other dog normal? RDW%...17.6 (high) dog normal range 11-16 ....18.3 96/22/09) ...18.2 (2/24/09) ...14.9 (10/17/08) is greyhound normal same vaule as other dog normal? The exact numbers aren't that crucial - when there's any degree of blood loss, the bone marrow will be pumping out new RBC, and depending on their stage of development, their size will vary. The RDW reflects that variation in size. A reticulocyte count gives a more precise measurement of how well the bone marrow is replacing RBC. PLT ....136,000 gh normal range 80,000-200,000 ...148,000 Fine. CREATININE 2.8 (high) gh normal range .8-1.6 ...1.3 (2/21/09) .... 1.2 (10/17/08) High, but again, he's got a couple of problems which are affecting his creatinine: the fact that he's probably dry (volume depleted), and the fact that he's probably got a UTI. Hopefully when they recheck this in a couple of days (after he's been hydrated and on antibiotics) this will return to normal range. GLOBULIN 3.8 (high) gh normal range 2.1-3.2 ...3.3 (2/21/09) ....2.8 (10/17/08) ALK PHOSPHATASE.... 79 ....34 (2/21/09) ....85 (10/17/08) ALT(SGPT) ...48 .... 34 (2/21/09) .... 57 (10/17/08) ALBUMIN ...3.3 same as previous None of these should be of concern at this point. And again, being dry make skew the results. The albumin being in normal range will be more important when he's having a renal workup in the next few days, to rule out protein-losing nephropathy. Urinalysis from dipstick: Leucocytes negative (interesting - this should be positive w/acute UTI or pyelonephritis - but I've seen many human UTI's which have a negative dipstick but a very positive micro exam and culture) nitrite negative (usually but not always positive w/UTI) Urobilinogen normal Protein >+++2000 (can be very +++ with UTI, but of course also with proteinuria from renal disease) ph 7 (a bit high, but this is consistent with UTI) Blood >1g S.Gravity 1030 (confirms his being volume depleted - this is pretty dry) Ketone negative Bilirubin 1g (many male greyhounds are positive for urobili or bili on dipstick) Glucose normal Did the vet do a microscopic exam, which is far more specific and accurate? Did the vet send off a urine culture? If proteinuria persists and/or urine culture is negative for infection, urine should be sent for urine protein-creatinine ratio to quantitate the amount of protein in the urine. Ducky, please feel free to PM me if you need a brain to pick. I hope Thane recovers quickly and uneventfully! Jordan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macoduck Posted August 2, 2009 Author Share Posted August 2, 2009 (edited) "Did the vet do a microscopic exam, which is far more specific and accurate?" ........... I think so since she saw the neoplastic cells "Did the vet send off a urine culture?" ................No "If proteinuria persists and/or urine culture is negative for infection, urine should be sent for urine protein-creatinine ratio to quantitate the amount of protein in the urine." ..............I'll ask about that. Thank you Jordan! Edited August 2, 2009 by macoduck Freshy (Droopys Fresh), NoAh the podenco orito, Howie the portuguese podengo maneto Angels: Rita the podenco maneta, Lila, the podenco, Mr X aka Denali, Lulu the podenco andaluz, Hada the podenco maneta, Georgie Girl (UMR Cordella), Charlie the iggy, Mazy (CBR Crazy Girl), Potato, my mystery ibizan girl, Allen (M's Pretty Boy), Percy (Fast But True), Mikey (Doray's Patuti), Pudge le mutt, Tessa the iggy, Possum (Apostle), Gracie (Dusty Lady), Harold (Slatex Harold), "Cousin" Simon our step-iggy, Little Dude the iggy ,Bandit (Bb Blue Jay), Niña the galgo, Wally (Allen Hogg), Thane (Pog Mo Thoine), Oliver (JJ Special Agent), Comet, & Rosie our original mutt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 2greysinPA Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Many prayers for Thane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ss556 Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Sending prayers for Thane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest IrskasMom Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 More gentle Hugs and Prayers for Thane Ducky , I hope you can get to the bottom of this and Thane is on it's way to getting better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burpdog Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Baytril may or may not be the drug he needs. Should have done a culture. I don't recognize the letters you are referring to. Has the blood slowed down? Diane & The Senior Gang Burpdog Biscuits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macoduck Posted August 3, 2009 Author Share Posted August 3, 2009 Baytril may or may not be the drug he needs. Should have done a culture. I don't recognize the letters you are referring to. Has the blood slowed down? No, still pees blood. Starts off yellow then goes to bright red. He's had a few sips of water, had a few bites of dinner. Still hasn't pooped even though upon the rectal exam he had a load in there she could barely feel the prostate. How long does it take to run the culture? I will getting a urine catch in the morning. Freshy (Droopys Fresh), NoAh the podenco orito, Howie the portuguese podengo maneto Angels: Rita the podenco maneta, Lila, the podenco, Mr X aka Denali, Lulu the podenco andaluz, Hada the podenco maneta, Georgie Girl (UMR Cordella), Charlie the iggy, Mazy (CBR Crazy Girl), Potato, my mystery ibizan girl, Allen (M's Pretty Boy), Percy (Fast But True), Mikey (Doray's Patuti), Pudge le mutt, Tessa the iggy, Possum (Apostle), Gracie (Dusty Lady), Harold (Slatex Harold), "Cousin" Simon our step-iggy, Little Dude the iggy ,Bandit (Bb Blue Jay), Niña the galgo, Wally (Allen Hogg), Thane (Pog Mo Thoine), Oliver (JJ Special Agent), Comet, & Rosie our original mutt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaGreys Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 (edited) Baytril may or may not be the drug he needs. Should have done a culture. I don't recognize the letters you are referring to. Has the blood slowed down? No, still pees blood. Starts off yellow then goes to bright red. He's had a few sips of water, had a few bites of dinner. Still hasn't pooped even though upon the rectal exam he had a load in there she could barely feel the prostate. How long does it take to run the culture? I will getting a urine catch in the morning. Ducky, usually if they grow a culture, it'll take an extra day, 2 days tops Edited August 3, 2009 by cbudshome Missing my little Misty who took a huge piece of my heart with her on 5/2/09, and Ekko, on 6/28/12 For the sick, the lost, and the homeless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burpdog Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Not sure if they can do a culture now. Ask vet in the morning. If the letters I don't recognize are HCT greys should be minimum over 50 and can go up to 65 or even a little higher. Under 50 can be trouble for a grey. Ultrasound sounds like a good idea. Diane & The Senior Gang Burpdog Biscuits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macoduck Posted August 3, 2009 Author Share Posted August 3, 2009 Not sure if they can do a culture now. Ask vet in the morning. If the letters I don't recognize are HCT greys should be minimum over 50 and can go up to 65 or even a little higher. Under 50 can be trouble for a grey. Ultrasound sounds like a good idea. HCT was 53.2........previously on the dates shown above 59.3....61.9....60.9 Freshy (Droopys Fresh), NoAh the podenco orito, Howie the portuguese podengo maneto Angels: Rita the podenco maneta, Lila, the podenco, Mr X aka Denali, Lulu the podenco andaluz, Hada the podenco maneta, Georgie Girl (UMR Cordella), Charlie the iggy, Mazy (CBR Crazy Girl), Potato, my mystery ibizan girl, Allen (M's Pretty Boy), Percy (Fast But True), Mikey (Doray's Patuti), Pudge le mutt, Tessa the iggy, Possum (Apostle), Gracie (Dusty Lady), Harold (Slatex Harold), "Cousin" Simon our step-iggy, Little Dude the iggy ,Bandit (Bb Blue Jay), Niña the galgo, Wally (Allen Hogg), Thane (Pog Mo Thoine), Oliver (JJ Special Agent), Comet, & Rosie our original mutt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Maddiesmom Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Thane and Ducky we are thinking of you. Thane buddy- get better soon. I wants to see you at open house in October - Wubs MaDdie Amy Human Mommy to fur baby Maddie (Doobiesaurus) TDI certified. May 5, 2002-September 12, 2014 and Mille (Mac's Bayou Baby)CGC, TDI certified. http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj93/Chillyhorse/siggies/maddie.jpg"]http://i270. photobucket.com/albums/jj93/Chillyhorse/siggies/maddie.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kudzu Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 I'm not much help. First thought reading it is UTI but some of the results don't make sense to me. Sorry, out of practice reading lab work. That was 3 dogs ago. Wish I had an easy explanation for that scary word neoplastic. One thing I do know is that it doesn't take much blood in urine to make it look bright red. Also, UTIs can result in the "peeing blood" look. Been there. Done that. Anti-b's were the cure. Definitely do ask them to culture the urine. Try not to worry too much until you have more results. Sending good thoughts for Thane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macoduck Posted August 3, 2009 Author Share Posted August 3, 2009 Back from vet. Nothing definitive. UTI or Transitional Cell Carcinoma Urinalysis: pH......... 6.5 Leu ........25 Pro ........500mg Glu ........negative Ket ........negative Ubg .......normal KET .......normal BIL .......1mg BLD ......250Ery Specific Gravity .. 1/038 sediment: WBC 2-10/hpf RBC... TNTC Bacteria.... cocci TNTC crystals... calcium oxalate, small in size and some amorphous casts....waxy/granular Thane was given sub-Q fluids and injectable Convenia He has an appt Tuesday with the out of town vet for an ultrasound in the afternoon. Freshy (Droopys Fresh), NoAh the podenco orito, Howie the portuguese podengo maneto Angels: Rita the podenco maneta, Lila, the podenco, Mr X aka Denali, Lulu the podenco andaluz, Hada the podenco maneta, Georgie Girl (UMR Cordella), Charlie the iggy, Mazy (CBR Crazy Girl), Potato, my mystery ibizan girl, Allen (M's Pretty Boy), Percy (Fast But True), Mikey (Doray's Patuti), Pudge le mutt, Tessa the iggy, Possum (Apostle), Gracie (Dusty Lady), Harold (Slatex Harold), "Cousin" Simon our step-iggy, Little Dude the iggy ,Bandit (Bb Blue Jay), Niña the galgo, Wally (Allen Hogg), Thane (Pog Mo Thoine), Oliver (JJ Special Agent), Comet, & Rosie our original mutt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest greytbookert Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 I have no advice or insight to the lab results but I want to send good healing thoughts for you and Thane! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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