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    Please meet Tiger

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    Posted · Edited by RaineysMom

    congrats!!!!!! :kiss2 :kiss2   he is handsome!  

    Our Larry has some bed aggression issues too (since we got him in 2011).  I actually just messaged you about Larry regarding something else but with Larry, we know what his triggers are and have worked around them all these years.  I know that several people have desensitized them to the bed aggression by tossing stuffies at them while they are sleeping) from a distance (which startles them) .  We never tried that, wish I had now... Larry, too, was a bounce from his 1st home for biting and aggression.  I wouldn't trade him for ANYTHING :beatheart

     

    anyway he is LOVELY!   Ken would approve :kiss2 

    Pain relief without NSAIDs

    in Health and Medical discussion

    Posted · Edited by RaineysMom

    On 2/26/2020 at 5:25 PM, Rickiesmom said:

    Raineysmom, Vonnie was on amantadine for over a month before it began to bother her.  I still don't know why, but she threw up 3 mornings out of five one week.  There was no change in her diet or meds.  I took her off it and  there has been no vomiting since.

    On the weekend just past, I decided to try the amantadine again as she needs a boost in pain meds - it had been several weeks since the vomiting episodes.  First day was fine, second day she threw up.  We are therefore done with amantadine. 

    FWIW I gave it to her immediately after breakfast, wrapped in wet food, kind of like dessert : )    

    Rimadyl is indeed an NSAID.   From what I understand, amantadine is most effective when used with an NSAID, so I hope your Larry can stay on it.

    :( oy.  I hope Larry doesn't develop issues with the amantadine :(  he is not really prone to vomiting so when he did those 2 nights last week I knew it was unusual, and was absolutely from the med.  He had been getting it immediately after breakfast with no vomiting so after the 2 nights we figured out it needed to be given with a meal. :( He too gets it (and all his other meds) encased in liver sausage (YUM) or peanut butter :)

    he is on Meloxicam (3.75mg in the a.m. and 500mg gabapentin and 100 mg Tramadol 3 x day, plus a Chinese herb 2 x day) so the amantadine should be boosting that.  I didn't post here but his back legs went out on him completely a week ago Sunday (2/16) and we stared the amantadine as a last resort that Tuesday (2/18).  He improved a bit the next day but was SO bad that Thursday morning and afternoon (2/20) we had contacted the vet to come out that Saturday to give him his wings :( that evening he improved and KNOCK ON WOOD has been doing ok since then -- until last Sunday (2/23) he was in the kitchen and when he went to get up his front feet hit the only laminate flooring that is not covered by 100 square feet of throw rugs and he went down hard :( he frog-legged and was screaming (he has NEVER cried out in pain, no matter all the medical things he's been through!) :( we thought it would do him in :( but he's hanging in there.

    I hope your Vonnie can find something.  I don't know if adequan (sp?) or a depo-medrol shot (predisone, not an NSAID) would help?  From what I understand, the Depo shot can only be given after any NSAIDS have been stopped for a while and doesn't work with every dog.  For Larry, stopping his meds and taking a chance that the shot would work was the bigger of two evils so we never tried it.  Sending hugs :kiss2

    ETA:  we also use an Assisi Loop on his lower back up to 3 times a day (thing is $289 a pop and you can't replace the friggen batteries :( ) and he has been getting a chiro treatment every 4 weeks but since December, he's gotten so bad (this is before this collapsed back end thing) I couldn't get him into my van safely so he missed the January one and my hubby was able to get him to his February one.  He's got aggression issues so acupuncture is not an option with him.

    Pain relief without NSAIDs

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    On 2/24/2020 at 5:49 PM, Rickiesmom said:

    Vonnie, who is 11,  is unable to take NSAIDs.   She has some tendon issues and is currently on Gabapentin, and until recently also Amantadine.  We've had to stop the Amantadine because it started to make her vomit, even though she was getting it with a meal.

    I am almost certain there has been discussion here of at least one other pain relief medication that is not an NSAID, but I can't remember the name.

    If anyone has had a successful experience with such a drug, please share your it here.

    Thank you so much for your help.

    RickiesMom, how long was Vonnie on the amatadine before she started vomiting on it even with a meal?  Our Larry just started it last Tuesday and got the first 3 doses (Tues, Wed & Thur nights) 1.5 hours after eating but on Friday and Saturday, vomited 50 minutes after and 13 minutes, respectively.  We started feeding him later and gave the dose right after he ate and thankfully no vomiting since then (knock on wood!).  This is Larry's last chance as his mobility is getting so bad and there's no other meds to try so hoping he can be on it for a while :(  hope your girl can find something.  Is Rimadyl (carprofen) an NSAID?

    Help - amantadine dosing question for Larry

    in Health and Medical discussion

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    33 minutes ago, NeylasMom said:

    This is my favorite article on pain meds and it has a section on Amantadine:

    http://www.vasg.org/newer_options_for_chronic_pain_management.htm

    It says once daily, but this article is fairly old at this point. My understanding though is that Amantadine doesn't do much for pain on its own, but rather enhances the effectiveness of NSAIDs so my thought is I would give them together, so give the Amantadine once or twice daily depending on your nsaid  frequency. Unless there are side effects, in which case splitting the dose is probably better. So yeah, i don't know, thinking out loud. 

    he takes 3.75mg meloxicam at 6:15am.  I am doing the 2 x day, not sure if that's the right way to go :( some say that, others say once.  I give up. :( 

    Help - amantadine dosing question for Larry

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    7 minutes ago, KF_in_Georgia said:

    I'd ask the vet. I know the drug comes in Extended Release formats.

    Does the label hold any clues? Like "take one pill, 2x daily" or something like that?

     

    3 minutes ago, Remolacha said:

    Yes, ask your vet. As I recall, when Sallie was taking it she was taking it two or three times a day (five years ago, my memory is a little vague), but hers was for osteo pain.

    our vet wasn't sure which way would be better as she doesn't prescribe it much so that's why I'm asking for advice here, from anyone that might have used it before.  She said I could do either way but didn't know which was was more beneficial :(

    Help - amantadine dosing question for Larry

    in Health and Medical discussion

    Posted · Edited by RaineysMom

    our Larry is doing very badly since Sunday with his LS and other issues and our vet is adding Amantadine to his current gabapentin/tramadol/meloxicam meds.  He is to get 200mg every day and my question is, would it be better for him to give the 200mg (2 100mg pills) at one time, once a day, or 1 100mg pill every 12 hours for twice a day?  Our vet doesn't Rx it much so wasn't sure which way would be more beneficial to give.

    I want whatever will be the best for him.  He is a big #89 boy and will be 13 on Monday :cry1 :cry1  I don't know if he will make it to see his birthday.

     

    Thanks in advance. :(

    HELP!! My Morrie has Protein Losing Enteropathy and he is starving

    in Health and Medical discussion

    Posted · Edited by RaineysMom

    Our Zeke has suspected IBD with an intolerance to chicken so he is on the RC Hydrolyzed dry food but also eats a variety of raw food (when he eats).  He also gets a B12 tablet daily (Cobalequin) and a B12 shot every Sunday and I really think they help (he's been on the B12 for 2 years now). https://www.1800petmeds.com/Cobalequin-prod12068.html?mrkgcl=364&mrkgadid=3326531480&AFFID=GG&ID=3326531480&Price=EMAILC&creative=380957260276&device=c&matchtype=b&network=g&gclid=EAIaIQobChMImf_TkNur5gIVgtdkCh09mg4wEAAYASAAEgLSlvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds   The B12 and syringes we get from the vet as well (online store).

    for raw, he gets beef tripe, raw turkey (cut up, not ground, won't eat it ground...Mom has to cut whole turkey breasts into tiny cubes for his Highness), cubed up beef (whatever's on sale, like round roast, rump roast, fat removed), 73% hamburger (won't eat anything with less fat), cubed up beef heart/turkey heart, duck hearts and beef liver (but very little liver), cottage cheese - all rotated as best I can (he doesn't get all of that in one meal).  We've been battling D since September and he gets 2 ProPectalin tables 3 x day and Olewo carrot "meatballs" (cooked) almost every day.

    he just one day up and decided he didn't want to eat anymore (this was January of 2017) and we've been battling/hand feeding/whatever it takes to get him to eat since then.  I do not know if he has PLE -- how was Morrie diagnosed?

    sending hugs and prayers you can figure this out, Liz.

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