Busderpuddle Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 I need some information about Rubys labs. I do not have numbers, but will get them tomorrow when I take Ruby in for her dental. The vet called today to tell me that Ruby has low protein, and it is not coming from her urine. He said it may be from her 2 abscessed teeth, or it may be caused by something like a cancerous tumor in her spleen, liver, etc.. He also said her red blood cells are not round and plump, but are "spherical" in shape. Again, he said it may be from the bad teeth. She is going to have a dental tomorrow and will be losing a few teeth. We agreed that she will receive a full day of IV fluids to ensure her kidney function is OK. It tested slightly low, but the exact same as it was 2 months ago, and 1 year ago. I am hoping these weird labs are from the teeth. One of them is bulging out horribly and if you push pus comes out. Poor girl has to be in pain. She still eats hard kibble with gusto. Not sure how. She is not on antibiotics, but will be started on them in the morning. Wanting to know if anyone has had a dog with a low protein and what caused it ? Ideas about the red blood cells ? Does it sound like a bad infection ? After talking over the ideas, we decided to get the dental done, then recheck her labs in 4 weeks. If the protein is still low, we will do a abdominal ultrasound. I do not feel it is OK to make her wait on those teeth. Quote Karen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time4ANap Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Sending good thoughts for Ruby's dental. I don't know enough about the numbers / labs to be of help, but taking care of those teeth sounds like the right start. Quote Camp Broodie. The current home of Mark Kay Mark Jack and Gracie Kiowa Safe Joan. Always missing my boy Rocket Hi Noon Rocket, Allie Phoenix Dynamite, Kate Miss Kate, Starz Under Da Starz, Petunia MW Neptunia, Diva Astar Dashindiva, and LaVida I've Got Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busderpuddle Posted December 28, 2017 Author Share Posted December 28, 2017 Thank you Don. I got a copy of the labs this morning when I dropped her off, but they just show a chart with ranges, and a few of hers being in the low or high column. She has been at the vet since 8 AM, no word yet, but they planned on giving her a day of IV fluids. I sure hope this infection in her mouth is the problem. I am not ready for my girl to be sick. I did some Googling and of course scared myself.........I need to stop doing that. Quote Karen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmom Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Best thoughts that nothing is too far out of line and that her dental goes well! Quote Star aka Starz Ovation (Ronco x Oneco Maggie*, litter #48538), Coco aka Low Key (Kiowa Mon Manny x Party Hardy, litter # 59881), and mom in IllinoisWe miss Reko Batman (Trouper Zeke x Marque Louisiana), 11/15/95-6/29/06, Rocco the thistledown whippet, 04/29/93-10/14/08, Reko Zema (Mo Kick x Reko Princess), 8/16/98-4/18/10, the most beautiful girl in the whole USA, my good egg Joseph aka Won by a Nose (Oneco Cufflink x Buy Back), 09/22/2003-03/01/2013, and our gentle sweet Gidget (Digitizer, Dodgem by Design x Sobe Mulberry), 1/29/2006-11/22/2014, gone much too soon. Never forgetting CJC's Buckshot, 1/2/07-10/25/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbhounds Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Is your vet aware that gh’s typically have lower blood proteins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busderpuddle Posted December 29, 2017 Author Share Posted December 29, 2017 Is your vet aware that gh’s typically have lower blood proteins? Yes, he is up on all of that. He is guessing it is from the 3 abscessed teeth, but will check it again in 4 weeks. Ruby is home and was whining very loudly for about 2 hours. I finally gave her a small amount of canned food and her antibiotic, and she is now sleeping soundly. I will give her a tiny bit more of food before bed if she keeps dinner down. She is still staring off when awake, but no drooling or bleeding that I can see. They did not give her any pain meds due to her kidneys, poor girl. I know she must still be in some pain. Quote Karen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeylasMom Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Yes, he is up on all of that. He is guessing it is from the 3 abscessed teeth, but will check it again in 4 weeks. Ruby is home and was whining very loudly for about 2 hours. I finally gave her a small amount of canned food and her antibiotic, and she is now sleeping soundly. I will give her a tiny bit more of food before bed if she keeps dinner down. She is still staring off when awake, but no drooling or bleeding that I can see. They did not give her any pain meds due to her kidneys, poor girl. I know she must still be in some pain. That makes no sense. Unless they're way off, she should be able to have Gabapentin, and Tramadol as well. Its just the NSAID that isn't a great idea with kidney issues. Quote Jen, CPDT-KA with Zuri, lab in a greyhound suit, Violet, formerly known as Faith, Skye, the permanent puppy, Cisco, resident cat, and my baby girl Neyla, forever in my heart "The great thing about science is that you're free to disagree with it, but you'll be wrong." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busderpuddle Posted December 29, 2017 Author Share Posted December 29, 2017 (edited) That makes no sense. Unless they're way off, she should be able to have Gabapentin, and Tramadol as well. Its just the NSAID that isn't a great idea with kidney issues. I agree and am going to call them in the morning. She is calm now and has eaten 2 small meals of canned food with no problems. She seems like she is back on earth here once again after a long 6 hour nap. The whining has stopped for now, and she is back to sleep. How much Gabapentin or Tramadol would she take for pain ? I am not familiar with either medication. Edited December 29, 2017 by Busderpuddle Quote Karen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeylasMom Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Not much. You'd want the vet to dose but its usually 100-200 mg of Gabapentin per dose and/or 50 mg of Tramadol. She may not need much. The whining was likely from the anesthesia wearing off so its possible she doesn't have much pain. Just thought the kidney reasoning was odd. Quote Jen, CPDT-KA with Zuri, lab in a greyhound suit, Violet, formerly known as Faith, Skye, the permanent puppy, Cisco, resident cat, and my baby girl Neyla, forever in my heart "The great thing about science is that you're free to disagree with it, but you'll be wrong." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busderpuddle Posted December 29, 2017 Author Share Posted December 29, 2017 Not much. You'd want the vet to dose but its usually 100-200 mg of Gabapentin per dose and/or 50 mg of Tramadol. She may not need much. The whining was likely from the anesthesia wearing off so its possible she doesn't have much pain. Just thought the kidney reasoning was odd. I totally agree that there had to be something for kidney patients in pain. I called this morning and she is getting Tramadol 50 mg. I told them I thought it was crazy to leave a dog in pain. This morning she ate all of her dinner, which was boiled rice, small chicken chunks, and 2 cans of dog food mixed in. She ate all I gave her and is now sound asleep. Her mouth looks so clean and pearly white teeth. I don't know if she is still in any pain, but I am going to get the prescription to have just in case. She let me look in her mouth easily this morning. My sweet girl.........it is so hard to see them suffer. Quote Karen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbhounds Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 (edited) Your vet may have given her a longer lasting pain injection (theres a long lasting buprenex) and hopefully did an oral block-even with that you absolutely should have been dispensed tramadol-if not I would be looking for another vet. They should never, ever,-did I say never?- suffer from extractions. Edited to add-also never heard of lower blood proteins produced from periodontal disease. Edited December 29, 2017 by tbhounds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busderpuddle Posted December 31, 2017 Author Share Posted December 31, 2017 Your vet may have given her a longer lasting pain injection (theres a long lasting buprenex) and hopefully did an oral block-even with that you absolutely should have been dispensed tramadol-if not I would be looking for another vet. They should never, ever,-did I say never?- suffer from extractions. Edited to add-also never heard of lower blood proteins produced from periodontal disease. They did not give Ruby the 24 hour pain shot due to her kidneys. We now have Tramadol, but she hasn't acted like anything is hurting today. She has healed very well. Quote Karen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbhounds Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 They did not give Ruby the 24 hour pain shot due to her kidneys. We now have Tramadol, but she hasn't acted like anything is hurting today. She has healed very well. Just FYI-buprenex is perfectly fine to give to a dog that is renal compromised. Shame on your vet.Glad she’s feeling better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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