krissn333 Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 My mom just bought some Virbac CET AquaDent water additive for her greys. I was looking at the ingredients looking for Sorbitol since there'd been mention of it causing diarrhea, and XYLITOL is the third ingredient listed! I'm hesitant to tell her it's okay to use this til I hear back from some of you guys...I Googled Xylitol and dogs just to make sure I'm not nuts and everything says it's toxic even in small amounts...what's the deal here?? Quote Kristin in Moline, IL USA with Ozzie (MRL Crusin Clem), Clarice (Clarice McBones), Latte and Sage the IGs, and the kitties: Violet and Rose Lovingly Remembered: Sutra (Fliowa Sutra) 12/02/97-10/12/10, Pinky (Pick Me) 04/20/03-11/19/12, Fritz (Fritz Fire) 02/05/01 - 05/20/13, Ace (Fantastic Ace) 02/05/01 - 07/05/13, and Carrie (Takin the Crumbs) 05/08/99 - 09/04/13. A cure for cancer can't come soon enough.-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BellaBean Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 I've tried some of the dental water additive and both kinds.. I can't remember the names off hand, I'll have to check when I get home. They both made my one boy start to vomit and have diarrhea. As soon as I stopped putting it in the water he got better. It never affected my two girls though. I will have to check when I get home to see if they have that ingredient in them. I never thought to look at that. Quote **Shellie with GiGi aka: Good Girl (Abita Raginflame X Ace High Heart) and two honorary hounds Butter and Bella** https://www.etsy.com/shop/GiGisCloset2?ref=si_shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a_daerr Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 I can't comment on CET but I've used Dental Fresh (by Synergy) for years with good results- it only has chlorine dioxide and sodium bicarbonate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrairieProf Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 I would contact the company and ask. But I would not use it, myself. Quote With Cocoa (DC Chocolatedrop), missing B for Beth (2006-2015)And kitties C.J., Klara, Bernadette, John-Boy, & Sinbad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambuca Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 I wouldn't use it, but then, that stuff makes ME sick so I don't have it in my house. Just the thought of fake sugar makes shutter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissn333 Posted March 22, 2013 Author Share Posted March 22, 2013 Me too! I just don't understand why a company would put it in something for dogs, and why a vet's office would sell it?? Quote Kristin in Moline, IL USA with Ozzie (MRL Crusin Clem), Clarice (Clarice McBones), Latte and Sage the IGs, and the kitties: Violet and Rose Lovingly Remembered: Sutra (Fliowa Sutra) 12/02/97-10/12/10, Pinky (Pick Me) 04/20/03-11/19/12, Fritz (Fritz Fire) 02/05/01 - 05/20/13, Ace (Fantastic Ace) 02/05/01 - 07/05/13, and Carrie (Takin the Crumbs) 05/08/99 - 09/04/13. A cure for cancer can't come soon enough.-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmom Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 The amount of these ingredients (xylitol, sorbitol) used in dog water additives is safe when the product is used as directed. Quote Star aka Starz Ovation (Ronco x Oneco Maggie*, litter #48538), Coco aka Low Key (Kiowa Mon Manny x Party Hardy, litter # 59881), and mom in IllinoisWe miss Reko Batman (Trouper Zeke x Marque Louisiana), 11/15/95-6/29/06, Rocco the thistledown whippet, 04/29/93-10/14/08, Reko Zema (Mo Kick x Reko Princess), 8/16/98-4/18/10, the most beautiful girl in the whole USA, my good egg Joseph aka Won by a Nose (Oneco Cufflink x Buy Back), 09/22/2003-03/01/2013, and our gentle sweet Gidget (Digitizer, Dodgem by Design x Sobe Mulberry), 1/29/2006-11/22/2014, gone much too soon. Never forgetting CJC's Buckshot, 1/2/07-10/25/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwnedBySummer Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 I never thought to check a water additive for ingredients! I must go do that! BTW, DH just brought home some peeps, intended for Summer. I noticed he bought the sugar-free version. I've never bought these before and am only buying them because they seem quite popular on GT. Are they always sugar-free? I did check the ingredients and they are sweetened with malitol, sorbital and sucralose. According to what I just read, malitol and sorbital are other names for xylitol. But they can't be, as why would they both be listed? I'm confused. And afraid to give these to her. I brought all that up because I do hope someone can tell me and maybe we need to watch for more than the actual occurrence of the word "xylitol"? Quote Lisa B. My beautiful Summer - to her forever home May 1, 2010 Summer Certified therapy dog team with St. John Ambulance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CFPWonder Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Kristin.... We got a list of "Foods Your Pets Should Avoid" - fridge magnet from our vet (KC). One of the things on the list was "Products containing Xylitol". It was put out by ASPCA.... just thought I would let you know. It said it can cause seizures and liver failure.... ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmom Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 BTW, DH just brought home some peeps, intended for Summer. I noticed he bought the sugar-free version. I've never bought these before and am only buying them because they seem quite popular on GT. Are they always sugar-free? I did check the ingredients and they are sweetened with malitol, sorbital and sucralose. According to what I just read, malitol and sorbital are other names for xylitol. But they can't be, as why would they both be listed? I'm confused. And afraid to give these to her. I'd take them back and get the regular version. The amount in toothpaste or a water additive isn't likely to cause a problem, but the amounts in sweetened people foods are much higher. Quote Star aka Starz Ovation (Ronco x Oneco Maggie*, litter #48538), Coco aka Low Key (Kiowa Mon Manny x Party Hardy, litter # 59881), and mom in IllinoisWe miss Reko Batman (Trouper Zeke x Marque Louisiana), 11/15/95-6/29/06, Rocco the thistledown whippet, 04/29/93-10/14/08, Reko Zema (Mo Kick x Reko Princess), 8/16/98-4/18/10, the most beautiful girl in the whole USA, my good egg Joseph aka Won by a Nose (Oneco Cufflink x Buy Back), 09/22/2003-03/01/2013, and our gentle sweet Gidget (Digitizer, Dodgem by Design x Sobe Mulberry), 1/29/2006-11/22/2014, gone much too soon. Never forgetting CJC's Buckshot, 1/2/07-10/25/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissn333 Posted March 22, 2013 Author Share Posted March 22, 2013 Thank you, Jey. I'll tell her to watch for diarrhea and discontinue if needed. Quote Kristin in Moline, IL USA with Ozzie (MRL Crusin Clem), Clarice (Clarice McBones), Latte and Sage the IGs, and the kitties: Violet and Rose Lovingly Remembered: Sutra (Fliowa Sutra) 12/02/97-10/12/10, Pinky (Pick Me) 04/20/03-11/19/12, Fritz (Fritz Fire) 02/05/01 - 05/20/13, Ace (Fantastic Ace) 02/05/01 - 07/05/13, and Carrie (Takin the Crumbs) 05/08/99 - 09/04/13. A cure for cancer can't come soon enough.-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3greytjoys Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 (edited) I've had conversations with Virbac about this exact issue in years past. Their dental water additive is their only product I absolutely will NOT use, or recommend to others because of the xylitol ingredient! (They say it's not enough of the ingredient to be problematic for the animals, but my opinion... why risk it ?!) ETA: I'd be interested to learn if anyone uses Biotene/Oratene products with success. I've used Biotene Antiseptic Oral Gel, but that's only for short-term use. Edited March 26, 2013 by 3greytjoys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3greytjoys Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 (edited) BTW, DH just brought home some peeps, intended for Summer. I noticed he bought the sugar-free version. I've never bought these before and am only buying them because they seem quite popular on GT. Are they always sugar-free? I did check the ingredients and they are sweetened with malitol, sorbital and sucralose. According to what I just read, malitol and sorbital are other names for xylitol. But they can't be, as why would they both be listed? I'm confused. And afraid to give these to her. I brought all that up because I do hope someone can tell me and maybe we need to watch for more than the actual occurrence of the word "xylitol"? Side note: It's smart to question ingredients in any sweets, not only for toxins (like xylitol, etc.) but even simple sugars. Personally, we don't feed dogs any sugary treats. My understanding... Sugar is a carcinogen that causes Cancer. Cancer cells FEED and multiply wildly on any type sugar (including white, brown, etc.). Food coloring ingredients are known to be carcinogens that cause Cancer. Sugar supresses the immune system's job to kill off damaging cells for many hours after it's ingested. In lieu of sugary treats, there are other treats that are much less harmful to dogs: Plain yogurt, non-fat cottage cheese, plain pumpkin, peanut butter, etc. Edited March 23, 2013 by 3greytjoys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwnedBySummer Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 (edited) This is the only time of the year that she'll get this, assuming she even likes them. Her treats are always healthy -- raw chicken and duck feet, dehydrated chicken and duck feet, dehydrated lung/liver/trachea/tendon. This is just for fun. DH popped into another store and got a little package of regular Peeps. I'd still like to know if malitol and sorbitol are other names for xylitol. Edited March 23, 2013 by OwnedBySummer Quote Lisa B. My beautiful Summer - to her forever home May 1, 2010 Summer Certified therapy dog team with St. John Ambulance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmom Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 No, they're not the same. Different sugars. Quote Star aka Starz Ovation (Ronco x Oneco Maggie*, litter #48538), Coco aka Low Key (Kiowa Mon Manny x Party Hardy, litter # 59881), and mom in IllinoisWe miss Reko Batman (Trouper Zeke x Marque Louisiana), 11/15/95-6/29/06, Rocco the thistledown whippet, 04/29/93-10/14/08, Reko Zema (Mo Kick x Reko Princess), 8/16/98-4/18/10, the most beautiful girl in the whole USA, my good egg Joseph aka Won by a Nose (Oneco Cufflink x Buy Back), 09/22/2003-03/01/2013, and our gentle sweet Gidget (Digitizer, Dodgem by Design x Sobe Mulberry), 1/29/2006-11/22/2014, gone much too soon. Never forgetting CJC's Buckshot, 1/2/07-10/25/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambuca Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 I don't think they're the same, but they are other forms of artificial sweeteners. Artificial sweeteners are added to (almost) all dental products (human as well) because fluoride is supposedly really nasty tasting on its own so something needs to be added to make it palatable. Regular sugar is bad for your teeth, so they won't use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINMANPDX Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Our vet suggested a water additive with enzymes to add to our dental routine, as he has seen good results. He didn't recommend a brand. We have been using Tropiclean for a month with no ill effects - sorbate is the next to last ingredient, and I think that is the sweetener, sorbitol - not sure. The amount of product is so dilute when mixed with their water, I suspect it isn't a huge factor. Quote Theresa (Tess) Mom to Elliott (Sol Flasher) and Lea (PTL Lea) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwnedBySummer Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 (edited) I'm using Tropiclean, too, as a water additive. Unlike some of the other water additives I've seen, it seems to have zero taste or color. One that I tried in the past, purchased from the vet, turned her water an icky green color. I'm also using the spray foam, sprayed directly into her mouth (I tasted the foam and don't care for it but Summer doesn't seem to be overly bothered by it). No ill effects with either. Edited March 23, 2013 by OwnedBySummer Quote Lisa B. My beautiful Summer - to her forever home May 1, 2010 Summer Certified therapy dog team with St. John Ambulance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bang_o_rama Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 I wouldn't use a product containing xylitol for dogs, even if it's only trace amounts. We've started using Pet Kiss Plaque & Tartar Control, which contains zinc as an active ingredient. It seems to help Bang's troubled teeth--her gums are less inflamed and don't bleed now. (We still brush every night). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bang_o_rama Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 . I'd still like to know if malitol and sorbitol are other names for xylitol. No, those are three different sugars. Xylitol and sorbitol are actually natural sugars, found in fruits. Not sure about malitol. They have different chemical structure than 'regular' sugar, so are processed different by the body, so can be used as sweeteners for diabetics. Sorbitol, in high quantities, can have a laxative effect, but in general, they're all safe for people to use, but xylitol in particular is not safe for dogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbhounds Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 May want to try this :-) http://www.petkingbrands.com/products/bioteneWaterAdd.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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