Guest tammymacb Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 I brought Keena in for a dental today and even though she's still pretty young, I ALWAYS run the blood test to check her labs before anesthesia. The vet called me back and said they hadn't done the dental yet. Her creatinine came back at 2.5 and normal is 0.5 to 1.8. The vet actually said that she's never seen such a high level in a dog before. Now she's saying it may be "normal" for Keena (GHs can run a higher level, apparently) but she wants to get a UA before anything else to determine more of her kidney function. Keena is ( of course) terrified and they can't get a urine sample. So, this is our plan, they're going to hydrate her, attempt to get urine and if everything is OK, we'll schedule the dental later on. I don't even want to think about the option. Kidney failure is NOT an option for us right now. She's healthy, normal acting and has no health problems until today. I am sick to my stomach right now and if anyone has advice, I'd love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carronstar Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 No advice. Only hugs, prayers and good thoughts foryou. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GreytMuse Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Sending good thoughts your way. Hopefully all of Keena's bloodwork will come back GH normal. Copied from Dr. Feeman's article on GHs, which addresses some of the kidney values: Greyhound Bloodwork I: Greyhounds can have high normal or mildly elevated BUN, creatinine, and AST levels. Some veterinarians may falsely interpret some high normal values as early kidney disease. If your Greyhound has high normal or just above normal kidney values… ask your veterinarian to run a urinalysis. A urine specific gravity that is >1.030 likely indicates that the blood levels are normal for the breed and not likely caused by kidney disease. Diet, especially raw feeding, may also elevate the BUN and creatinine. This can be screened for by fasting your Greyhound for 12-18 hours before the blood draw. http://www.greyhound-data.com/dir/445/Grey...alth_Packet.pdf If your vet doesn't have a copy of this health packet, I'd share it with him/her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaGreys Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 If I'm not mistaken, if the BUN and UA are okay, this doesn't mean kidney problems. That Creat is high but I don't think it's way off the chart. Hopefully someone with more experience will chime in Quote Missing my little Misty who took a huge piece of my heart with her on 5/2/09, and Ekko, on 6/28/12 For the sick, the lost, and the homeless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmom Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 They won't be able to get a good specific gravity on the urinalysis if they hydrate her first. 2.5 isn't that high, tho. Is BUN normal? Quote Star aka Starz Ovation (Ronco x Oneco Maggie*, litter #48538), Coco aka Low Key (Kiowa Mon Manny x Party Hardy, litter # 59881), and mom in IllinoisWe miss Reko Batman (Trouper Zeke x Marque Louisiana), 11/15/95-6/29/06, Rocco the thistledown whippet, 04/29/93-10/14/08, Reko Zema (Mo Kick x Reko Princess), 8/16/98-4/18/10, the most beautiful girl in the whole USA, my good egg Joseph aka Won by a Nose (Oneco Cufflink x Buy Back), 09/22/2003-03/01/2013, and our gentle sweet Gidget (Digitizer, Dodgem by Design x Sobe Mulberry), 1/29/2006-11/22/2014, gone much too soon. Never forgetting CJC's Buckshot, 1/2/07-10/25/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelWhispers Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 If the BUN and everything else is normal, I wouldn't panic. Hopefully your vet is grey savvy and understands that this may be normal for her, if everything else is normal. Quote Denise & Strider, Blake, Fields, Frank, FlippyDoo, and Momma Gail. The Bridge Angels Zack(Ags Marble Chip) 4/25/93-2/16/06, Wanda(Rainier Rowanda) 12/14/94-06/09/06, Brooke/Boogers(Rainier Restive) 01/01/99-10/20/08, Warlock(Rainier Rammer) 4/29/99-10/01/09), Patsie(Frisky Patsy) 5/17/96-2/05/10, Hatter(Cals Madhatter) 6/3/00-3/11/10, Dodger(Rainier Ransack) 4/29/99-4/16/10, and Sparkle(Okie Sparkle) 11/8/2000-1/28/11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tammymacb Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 (edited) She didn't mention her BUN. I'll call and check that. According to the vets office ( vet was in a room ) her BUN is normal. Edited January 7, 2009 by tammymacb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurie Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 GH Bloodwork Normals/Differences Quote Laurie **& Angels Emily, Beatrice, Okie, Rhemus ,Vixen, and Rose-always in my heart** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burpdog Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 (edited) Good grief. For a dog needing a dental that is not high. What is her BUN? I've had them at 2.3 not needing a dental. just saw her BUN is normal. Don't worry about it. Edited January 7, 2009 by Burpdog Quote Diane & The Senior Gang Burpdog Biscuits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBass Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 FWIW, Piper's creatinine is always about that high. His health and blood levels are watched and checked fairly often because of his epilepsy and the vet and I have decided, after 5 years, that that level just seems to be normal for Piper. Perhaps there is no need to be too worried. --Lucy Quote Lucy with Greyhound Nate and OSH Tinker. With loving memories of MoMo (FTH Chyna Moon), Spirit, Miles the slinky kitty (OSH), Piper "The Perfect" (Oneco Chaplin), Winston, Yoda, Hector, and Claire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tammymacb Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 She's home. They tested her urine later and the vet ( a new vet at the practice, very young but not my great old country vet ) decided she's fine. She just rolls like that. Anyway, I picked her up and we get to start off all over again tomorrow morning. But, I can't tell you how happy I am to know she's healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gretzky Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Sending good thoughts your way. Hopefully all of Keena's bloodwork will come back GH normal. Copied from Dr. Feeman's article on GHs, which addresses some of the kidney values: Greyhound Bloodwork I: Greyhounds can have high normal or mildly elevated BUN, creatinine, and AST levels. Some veterinarians may falsely interpret some high normal values as early kidney disease. If your Greyhound has high normal or just above normal kidney values… ask your veterinarian to run a urinalysis. A urine specific gravity that is >1.030 likely indicates that the blood levels are normal for the breed and not likely caused by kidney disease. Diet, especially raw feeding, may also elevate the BUN and creatinine. This can be screened for by fasting your Greyhound for 12-18 hours before the blood draw. http://www.greyhound-data.com/dir/445/Grey...alth_Packet.pdf If your vet doesn't have a copy of this health packet, I'd share it with him/her. Just an FYI...Dr. Feeman updated the packet but I couldn't find the update on Greyhound Data. Try here Updated packet-2008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Greensleeves Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Also, for anyone still wondering, your vet should be able to draw urine directly from the bladder with a syringe, if she won't oblige him by peeing on her own (Nelly never would). They have to do this regularly to test for bladder infections, to make sure that the bacteria is in the bladder itself, not the urinary tract... so I would expect any vet to know this, and not wait until the dog willingly pees on her own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbhounds Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Good grief. For a dog needing a dental that is not high. What is her BUN? I've had them at 2.3 not needing a dental. Don't really know what the Creatine level and "needing a dental" have to do with each other but, the BUN and Creatine can be elevated when a dog has been fasted-- Greyhounds run a higher pack cell and higher renal values to begin with. Definitely wait a few days and then obtain the first morning urine to send in for a specific gravity test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest greytkidsmom Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Anyway, I picked her up and we get to start off all over again tomorrow morning. This is why I insist on having any pre-anesthesia labs drawn a day or two before the scheduled procedure. First, the dog is not in a fasting or dehydrated state which can skew the kidney values. Second, my two boys have normally elevated creatinines which usually triggers the follow-up urinanalysis. Third, it saves my dogs from the stress of spending an unnecessary day at the vets if a procedure was cancelled. I am so glad to hear that Keena is okay. Good luck with her dental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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