cleptogrey

do not offer any treats or meds, if anything offer over cooked white rice and boiled chop meat(25% meat to 75% rice) and call your vet monday morning if he does not impove. make sure he doesn't eat any grass outside. maybe it's a passing stomach/intenstional thing, maybe not. but plain rice and if he snubbs it- that's o.k. he won't starve by tomorrow. any vomiting? if not- then don't worry about dehyrdation. loose stools? if so bring a sample in w/ you.

after having lived w/ a terrier who LOVED the squirt bottle and barked like it was going out of style dare i mention a shaker can? it is an used metal can(baked bean size is perfect), a couple of pennies inside of it and the lid taped on. one sharp shake and it stops all commotion, no words from you. felix (my present male grey) came to me at 7 weeks and used to scream when i was on the phone, the water gun/plant spray(i was armed w/ both) did bupkahs. so, i shake w/ the can and dead slience. i rarely used it with both since they would see the can and shut up. short and simple, let the noise do the work for you. for years it sat by my side at night ...it just needed to be within sight not sound! as to the last statement re; reward system and the pup yacking away and shutting up to get the reward...i too have been there!

question about frontline spray do you spray the entire dog or use it like top spot in one area- inbetween the shoulders? i have some and bought it for camping/tic emergencies and would like to use it this year instead of the top spot before it expires.

if your dog does not like to be confined, a baby gate is not the answer. i had my trusty gate knocked down, bend, chew and destroyed by my 24lb welsch terrier when he had dementia. he could/would not be confined. try short ammounts of time w/ freedom and a muzzle if she doesn't try to rub it off. that can be pretty destructive as well. lots of kongs, marrow bones, goodies to keep the pup busy can help. harp music is relaxing and will slow the heart beat. lights left on and watch out for the windows. i don't want to freak you out but, i have a friend whose grey jumped out of the window on the 2nd floor! broke both ankles. that pup hated to be left alone,she opened the front door and let herself out numerous times(i know since i was called to pick her up, i brought her back to my house to hang w/ my other grey).another time she broke the glass in the door, she was wearing her muzzle so she couldn't bite the lock and turn it, OMG....the cuts and blood was amazing. not all dogs have SA as intense as my friends, but be aware of the dog's surroundings and what it can get into. my saluki ate thru sheet rock, broke windows, shredded the inner soles of my shoes,howled up a storm( i had to take him on dates), killed house plants, opened and raided the fridge. but i lived and learned how to deal w/ it. we had a good dozen years of bliss once he settled down. no one has mentioned that you speak directly to your adoption rep. have you contacted the group that placed your pup and asked for their advice?

i ended up taking felix to annie's training classes. she just shut down and that was it. fortunately the instructor, who has goldens, has experienced exactly the same thing w/ one of her own dogs and understood our frustration. gotta go w/ the flow! felix works no matter what, emily who left the track after 168 races adored her obedience work- she was a working gal and needed a job. annie....another story but i managed to reinforce an excellent recall and basic obedience skills and she is who she is. in the past my salukis were even more disinterested in training, greys seem like mutts when you compare the two! my welsh terrier was always the first to "get it" and #1 demo dog- i swear he had his master's degree he went so much, but that's a welshie for you- other wise... and my scottie was a worker but aloof- it's all a matter of reading your dog.

loooks a lot like mortimer's(the basset hound) nose. but only your vet will know for sure! ask your vet before you go in, you shouldn't get charged for an entire exam. he's just looking at the tip of the iceberg

get it checked out, it can be a yeast infection or auto-immune. i knew of a basset hound who had a major yeast infection and that's what it looked like.

the velvet lined w.w.w. harness has worn the hair off of felix, velvet lined buckle collars do the same,rolled leather does it, cotton lined martingales wear his hair off,fishtale greyhound collar was rubbing, the edge of his coat has worn off hair from walking(and it has a polar fleece lining), it all grows back eventually. right now he is wearing a lazer cut silk lined martingale from makenzibelts.com. she guaranteed that it wouldn't wear off his hair and his neck is not naked, he wears it everyday . it's a matter of trial and error. i think it bothers us more than the dog.

"It's funny about the tunnel thing... I've done agility with 4 greys and all of them have loved the tunnel. They took to it immediately. Even Elphie who is sooooo tall (30+ inches at the shoulder) flies through the tunnel. " emily did that the first time she ever saw the tunnel, i think it reminded her of the starting box. felix who never was on the track went thru standard tunnel training, he did not take to it as well. as a matter of fact, the 2nd time a ball was thrown down the tunnel he figured out that he could out run it by running next to the tunnel and got it before anyone could grab it.

Could you please explain the connection between yeast and problems with kibble? I have not heard of this. Thanks! for some reason when i initially read your post i thought you were originally having trouble w/ stool as well. flagyl, clears up intestinal irritations. quite often pups can come off the track w/ lots of intestential bugs. but measuring water, having your vet look at the entire pic should help. best of luck.

if he was having so much trouble w/ kibbles maybe he needed some flagyl to clear things up. do mention the problem w/ the kibble to your vet, bring in a urine sample and also the ingredients and protien, fat, fiber ammounts of the food you are feeding him. it could be taxing his kidneys. but lay everything out on the table w/ your vet. also bring his turn-out exercise schedule and water intake(measure, don't let him drink out of the toilet bowl). so he/she can weigh all the variables. good luck in seeing if there is a medical reason for the urination- prostate or a tumor on it??. i have had male dogs most of my life, un-neutered terriers, un-neutered salukis- only one terrier had marking problems that started at age 6, he was checked for a tumor on his prostate.some vets might try some hormones to balance things, but your dog is neutered....mmmmm. have you also consulted w/ a trainer? can you possibly keep him on lead at home to stop the marking on items?

wash w/ saline solution if it's really deep and one application of a triple antibiotic ointment and air. occasionally i have dog sat for a totally neurotic pup who HAS to chew it, bandage and vet wrap and muzzle if necessary.

reading your post and the mention of trading up makes me think. when i have taken obedience classes(way too many, one would think i would be trained by now!), we did trading up in teaching release, but there NEVER was a growl or slightly agressive behavior.if the pup was playing, wagging it's tail during a trade, the play had to stop and the dog needed to be calm and settled, then the exchange. is exchange what you are really looking for?

not sure if you are getting smile or lip! this is my scenario, compare: annie came to us a year ago, pretty shy and it's taken her an entire year to get up on the couch. she tries to cuddle and hang out but any movement what so ever...go for my cup of tea, turning the page of the newspaper, answering the phone.... has made her snap or growl. i know it's since she is not the most secure pup in the world, she still jumps if something like a remote control falls off a table. so, off the couch for annie. i don't want to take any chances of being bit. she is loving, always at my side, leans up against me, but her behavior is not"appropiate" in that situation. she has also growled and snapped at felix when he stretches on the couch even though he hasn't touched her. a bed next to the couch and a cookie are what she gets, everyone is safe and comfortable.

i had one dog who insisted on peeing on the stones surrounding the fireplace. no matter what i cleaned it with, velcro pissed there. i moved his food and water bowl there, that ended that. short& simple- a dog will not pee where they are fed. it might seem abrupt, but i worked. you do not have to feed them there forever, don't use a raised feeder, just plop the bowls on the spot and give it a try. (leave the water bowl there.)

sounds exactly like what we went thru w/ our welsh terrier. dementia started at night, eventually it was all the time and he was very disoriented and not at all comfortable. i tried sedatives, had a very stoned puppy walking around. exercised him even more( he was pretty active up to the very end) hoping to have a tired dog- no luck. willie started peeing in his bed ever time he nested, when he was crated he paniced even more, contained in the kitchen- he bent the wire gate and knocked it down. my good friend, a greyhound vet, who knew him well basically told me that he was really scared, disoriented and could never be made comfortable(my vet agreed as well).all of this took a while to esclatate. sorry to hear you are dealing w/ this.

i take advantage of a dog who has such a keen food drive and keep them w/ me in the kitchen. yup, with me and teach them basic skills such as down, sit, wait,back(moving backwards) leave it. i also teach them NOT to stick their head in the fridge, garbage or countersurf while they are with me. i have had wonderful results, it takes a tad longer to prep a meal but well worth it. the mystique of the kitchen and aromas of food become mundane and the end result is a pup w/ good food manners. i had one dog who stuck her head in the fridge and grabbed a bag of onions! i had to laugh to myself . but w/ work and food rewards- always their own variety, not what i was prepping, i have had excellent success. give it a try, have a rug on the floor for the dog to lie on and stay as you work away.btw, one needs to contain the space and NOT let them leave the kitchen, jilly's chair lineup will work for that.

so after reading about all of the success w/ kirkland's kibble i decided to give it a try. felix always gets itchy w/ chicken based foods, annie can eat just about anything so i bought lamb and rice. tried to introduce it really slowly- 1/3 c at a time, 3 days inbetween adding another 1/3 c. well, farts galore(added probiotics) and of course included rice in w/ the transition. frozen cow plops in the yard and halitosis! so it's been almost 2 weeks and back to hollistic select duck and oatmeal- no rice, no probiotics, 4 squirts of fish oil daily and the house isn't smelly,our dogs can lick us again and cleanup is a sinch...just chisle the poop out of the ice!

now when he goes out, exactly what is he doing? pee, poop, wander ???? if he is going potty it could be the food going thru him at that hr.... and now it's a habit. if you don't want to change foods, how about adding some carbs to his dinner, baked potato or rice and see if that holds him and do feed him much later. dinner maybe a half an hr before bed giving him time to potty and then hopefully he will need to go out in the morning. try the water gun/plant spray response to his crying if you can stomach that, some people just can't but it should deter his behavior. it sounds like a bad habit at this point. keep us updated.

with a new dog i take advantage of their keen interest in food. i keep them in the kitchen w/ me when i prepare food and teach them the ropes of being well behaved. yes, i use food for motivation...why not? they are intersted and focused. but it's a good time to introduce leave it, down, back and stay. i also take advantage of the situation and teach them NOT to poke their head into the fridge, NOT to counter surf, NOT to go for the garbage and to WAIT. but that's my thing, i don't mind a dog hanging out on the floor waiting patiently(that needs to be taught) for a treat(maybe some fat trimmed off of meat) after i prepare dinner. after a while it's old hat and the interested pups really don't care. they just check it out and then leave if there aren't any treats-a-comming.

as some of the other responses said, keep him on lead. you are the reponsible person in this sitation. responsible for the saftey of your child, responsible for the behavior of your dog. you need to be ontop of things 100% percent of the time, no downtime what so ever. my daughter was born when our saluki was 6.5 years old. he had NO exposure to children what so ever. i was on my toes, controlled how close he was to her at all times. he was not allowed in her bedroom. they did develop a fantastic relationship which was totally reinforced during her never ending meals in the high chair. the dog would lie under the high chair and watch for fall out. but at the rug rat stage, azim was on my bed, relaxing, never lying w/ my daughter...not until she was 1.5yrs or so. then they napped together. it was a lot of watching, teaching both to be gentle and caution. but my saluki went everywhere with us- sleigh riding, cross country skiing, walks galore, shopping w/ the pram to the market, fishing and camping. it took time for the two to repect each other and bond and learn limitations.

we have some excellent trainers around here w/ years of experience. have you contacted any regular trainers and just spoken to them about you sitation? interview a couple, their rates are far more reasonable.maybe you can find someone who also has kids of their own, something to consider, a knowlegable dog person and PARENT could be an asset. i do know one of the resuce groups in your area has an excellent female vet who has helped my friend who relocated to the chicago area. if you are interested in her name, pm me. she has been really supportive of my friend grey who has numerous issues.

i have gone thru the same thing w/ felix at my vet's office.he was fine and then just spooked one day. i have used the same vet for 30+years and discussed felix's anxiety with him and asked him personally if he though i should use someone else for felix.to fix things my vet came out to the parking lot(the weather was good), we sat down and chatted and ignored him totally.then he let felix approach and then proceeded w/ scraping- numerous checking for mange. then in the office i started having his muzzle oh , i always handeled him and fed him tasty morsels of treats during the exam. we also started having the office manager come in and well all chatted, keeping the focus off of felix. he has undergone emergency cleanup and staples as well as staple removal, shots and lots of bandage changes as my handiwork fixing up cuts and rips was examined. i have had my shoes pissed on, but what ever. he has finally calmed down. i bring the muzzle every time, but often it's on the exam table and i just hold his head. treats are a must and a good long pee after we leave.

yup, the crate does far more damage than the bones. it seems like chewing on the crate is just a bad habbit, like sucking a thumb! over the past 40+ years of dogs the only dog who has damaged his teeth is my crate chewer who does not like bones. i would be in the poor house if i gave out bully sticks- a med. sized one is good for a short amount of time and i always clean up loose stools after.

felix always runs right into the bank of forsynthia bushes to retrieve his tennis balls and man does he scatch and scrape himself. i usually leave it alone, saliva does the trick. if it's really bad i rinse it w/ saline solution and leave it alone. that pup came to me at 7 weeks with out a nick, dent, scratch or mark....you should see him now! i would never consider not letting him run and play...that's what dogs do. we have dealt w/ his skin being scraped down to the tendon,(scarey looking)metacam, irrigation and a bandage for a couple of days, he was fine. he has run into fence post- when he was young i was sure he was going to kill himself. i iced the area after and he has a hole in his coat to remind me of how spastic he was. it's like kids- their perfect knees and elbows scar, it's a record of their fun and misshaps.