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First, let me say that this topic is about our first Greyhound, my "heart-hound" and I would do anything for HIS happiness.

 

We adopted Dutch in 2005 and he immediately showed SA symptoms. Since then and over the last 5 years we have tried everything in any SA related book or article you can find, or that any specialist has recommended including crating (he chews to the point of self mutilation,) limiting to one room, free reign of the house, behavioral modification and specialists, even medicating with only limited success. The one thing we did not do was adopt a second hound because we were already investing a lot of expense into Dutch's problem and didn't think we could afford another and because everything we were told and read indicated that SA was a result of separation from the people in the family, so another dog wouldn't help.

 

I say limited success because we did make progress to the point where accidents (urination, deification) where rare and his howls/cries/barks were only on and off during the day while we are at work. We patted ourselves on the back for steps in the right direction until a neighbor had to go and call the police about the noise. :angryfire

 

Now (and I cry as I type this :( ) Dutch has gone to live with my best friend who also owns a Greyhound, because she was kind enough to take a chance on him and bring him into her home. In the past week since he has been there my friends stay-at-home neighbor has reported that Dutch hasn't made a sound while my friend and her husband are at work. Could it really be that all he needed was a another hound after-all?

 

 

In an effort to bring our boy home we have opened the adoption process to get a second hound and full-time companion for Dutch. This may take time since we also have a toddler, are frequently around cats and both are away at work on weekdays.

 

I guess the reason I am starting this topic is to reach out to anyone who may have had a similar experience. Did adopting a second work for anyone when all else failed? I ask for you prayers because our home is broken and empty without Dutch. We only want to bring him home and make him a happy well-adjusted boy.

 

Thank You!

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In addition to our greyhounds, we have an elderly whippet that was to be euthanized because he was deemed unadoptable. He had/has all kinds of issues - medical and psychological. He developed severe separation anxiety at his last home (quite documented) and was returned. We took him and with the help of medication (recently discontinued), he has been happily living at our home for 2.5 years without any major separation issues. He was alone at his other home and is now living with 4 greyhounds. This past year, our youngest left for college, so his "alone" time has even increased and he is still doing rather well. Now, he does have age and medical problems, but doesn't appear to have any separation issues at all. While there is no one answer to everything, apparently the other dogs were the answer for him. I really wish you all the best and that you are able to find the solution to allow Dutch to return to your home.

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That works for many hounds. I had adopted a hound to a wonderful family. That hound destroyed several crates, plastic and wire. He tore all the curtains in the house down. He chewed up most of the window sills in the home, he ruined wooden floors, doors, beds (human), covers, blankets, about 20 dog beds, the he chewed the kitchen counters and so forth. He made a ton of noise, but thankfully these folks were in their own home and all their neighbors worked. He ruined their carpet with peeing on it and pooping on it. They never saw him misbehave when they were home.

We worked with them for months to help resolve this destructive behavior. Their vet (and mine at the time) examined the dog and tested the dog and tried drugging the dog. No good. Then the dog decided he couldn't eat, and began to drop pounds. This dog had been my foster and he never once showed behavior like this in my home and I did leave him to do errands and such.

The head of the adoption agency and I tried and tried to get these folks to consider another dog. And finally when it was either the dogs life or trying to put another greyhound in the home, they took a foster for a weekend.

BINGO, the two dogs bonded within minutes of seeing each other and the destructive behavior ended, the dog started eating and all was good. This dog was happy with a buddy. They adopted the dog that they fostered and their problems ended. It cost them thousands of dollars to fix their home to fix all the damage this dog did. But I applaud them, they fixed their home and never blamed the dog.

So yeah, there are dogs with severe separation anxiety and for some of them, the only answer is another dog so that they never have to be alone.

 

Good luck with your search for another hound, I hope it works for you as well as it worked for my adopters. :)

 

I have a gal who is with 3 other dogs and if I don't drug her she will, within hours of being left at home, begin to poop bloody poop. If I drug her, no problems. She and I have been to many vets and talked to many behaviorists and gone the gammet too, for her, drugs are the only answer.

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Hi Michelle. Sue here, Lori's neighbor who pet sits for her. I say you need to move out here to the country with us.!!!. I know that is probably not possible. sad.gif Lori sent me the e mail of your difficulties. My heart goes out to your family. I have not heard any rooing since Dutch arrived. I would not have known he was here if Lori had not told me. My dogs are probably the noise makers around here as I have a little dachshund who seems to have taught my two greys to bark more. dry.gif

 

 

Please stay tuned here. I am sure you will get lots of good info. Some may not have worked in the past but you may have better results now. Hopefully, if you are able to connect with the right second grey, it will solve the problem. Some do well alone, others miss the companionship they had most of their early lives.

I know how much you love Dutch as Lori has mentioned you frequently and I know her grey Argus likes to be with Dutch.

 

Your family will be in my prayers hoping for a good outcome. To have to re-home a family member of five years must be tearing out your hearts.

 

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Sometimes it is just adding another greyhound. If you stop and think about it, these dogs are raised with other greyhounds and spend their entire lives with other greyhounds until the day they are adopted. Some hounds can handle leaving the social setting of the kennels and some hounds need other dogs for their sense of security. If you're starting the adoption process, take your boy over to meet some hounds or have a volunteer bring a hound or two to your home and see how he does. You may find a different hound than the one you've been living with just because he now has company. Make sure you specify to your adoption group that you have cats and a toddler so they will choose a hound that will have a calming effect on your boy.

 

How heart breaking. I give you credit, you're doing everything in your power to make your boy happy. If he's been in a foster home with another hound and has not shown any signs of separation anxiety, it's a pretty good assumption he needs a buddy around.

 

Good luck! I hope this works for you.

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I too have a SA dog, however, she does not like being in the crate or in closed places (hotels etc) I have had her for 5 years now and she ate her way out of 3 crates- both wire and plastic. Ate molding on the doors and damaged drywall. I was detrmined not to give her back to the group who told me to keep her in the crate. I was a fisrt time adopter and what did I know. Nothing. I too tried everything except getting a 2nd dog as I was concentrating on helping her. I took a leap of faith and closed doors of rooms I did not want her in and now she is fine. She just hated the crate and has never been placed in one since then.

 

However in Dutch's case, it appears that he needs a buddy. Can you take on being a foster home for another greyhound so that you don't have the extra expense yourself. Foster homes are always in demand. As you know, greyhounds have lived in a "pack" all their lives and this is the only thing they know. I would hate for you to have to give Dutch back after 5 years as you have worked so hard with him and he is loved member of your family. You have done a great job with him, it is not easy when a grey has SA and I commend you for helping him.

 

I will be thinking of you all. grouphug.gif

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Thanks Sue! Lori did forward your email on to me and I greytly appreciate your kind words and support (as I do of all the replies I receive here.)

 

Kay of Monica's Heart in Altoona knows Dutch, knows all our circumstances and I fully trust her experience and judgment to find us the perfect fit.

 

I will keep you all updated!

 

Hi Michelle. Sue here, Lori's neighbor who pet sits for her. I say you need to move out here to the country with us.!!!. I know that is probably not possible. sad.gif Lori sent me the e mail of your difficulties. My heart goes out to your family. I have not heard any rooing since Dutch arrived. I would not have known he was here if Lori had not told me. My dogs are probably the noise makers around here as I have a little dachshund who seems to have taught my two greys to bark more. dry.gif

 

 

Please stay tuned here. I am sure you will get lots of good info. Some may not have worked in the past but you may have better results now. Hopefully, if you are able to connect with the right second grey, it will solve the problem. Some do well alone, others miss the companionship they had most of their early lives.

I know how much you love Dutch as Lori has mentioned you frequently and I know her grey Argus likes to be with Dutch.

 

Your family will be in my prayers hoping for a good outcome. To have to re-home a family member of five years must be tearing out your hearts.

 

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Your post just breaks my heart sad.gif I have Streamer who has SA and being crated next to another hound has helped him tremendously! Also when Nelson was at his first home he had severe SA, but he was crated in a room seperate from the other hound in the house. Now, at my house he is crated next to his brother Bully and has no SA at all... you can say that it is because he is back with his brother that he wanted all along BUT if the previous owners had tried crating him next to another hound he may have never had issues and never come to live with me in the first place-but we will never know for sure.

 

Anyhow, I do think having another hound would help a lot, they love eachothers company smile.gif

 

Good luck to you grouphug.gif

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The short answer is "yes" it can definitely be that easy for some hounds. The long answer is - longer!

 

Kudos to you for trying so hard with your guy! There will be an answer for you.

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Ok - Sorry - Had to go to an appointment - Here's a longer answer:

 

Yes, adding a companion can help many greyhounds with SA. Some need a greyhound friend while others are fine with other types of companions. As was mentioned above, Greyhounds are raised with other greyhounds all their lives, and are never really alone the whole time from puppyhood until they are adopted. It sounds like Dutch is doing much better with another greyhound so I would start there. I'm normally not a big proponent of having your current grey involved in the adoption process, but in this case, it seems appropriate.

 

In your original post you mention you've tried a lot of things to help Dutch. Let me sk some questions to clarify:

 

Was the behavioralist you tried a certified Veterinary Behavioralist or a training behavioralist?? Many people who are "behavioralists" can only address training issues. A certified VB can address all the origins of behavioral problems - physical, mental, and behavioral. They are also licensed to prescribe drugs and should be congnizant of new treatments available.

 

How many different medications did you try with him?? Often - just as with people - different drugs are more effective with different individuals. There are several classes of drugs available to treat anxiety problems, and several options in each class. They all work on different parts of the brain and in different ways. If you only tried one or two, you might not have exhausted your possibilities in this area. Some need 1-2 months to be truly effective, while others have a more immediate effect. Dosages can also be quite variable dog to dog.

 

Here is a link to a thread I started here about my spook Cash. She does not have SA but you can read my research about the different anti-anxiety drugs, and some of the responses, including links to different resources.

Cash's drug problem

 

Good luck and keep us posted!

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Also when Nelson was at his first home he had severe SA, but he was crated in a room seperate from the other hound in the house. Now, at my house he is crated next to his brother Bully and has no SA at all... you can say that it is because he is back with his brother that he wanted all along BUT if the previous owners had tried crating him next to another hound he may have never had issues and never come to live with me in the first place-

We see this a lot. Hounds that show SA at certain foster homes but not at others, hounds that have no SA in foster care but they do in their new homes, etc. The common theme? They seem to prefer either a crate set up that mimics the track kennel, so the dogs are all together and can see each other, or the dogs are loose in a room together. Sometimes having another dog(s) in the house isn't enough, they need to be near each other. Rogan and Sophie are very much like this. I call it situational SA.

 

 

 

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Thank you so much for all your helpful information!

 

To answer your questions, Dutch did see a behavioral counselor at a Veterinary Clinic. Before seeing her we did over a year and a half of many different medications (I recently threw out bottles for at least 4 that I forgot I still had) and I know that wasn't all of them. At his worst Dutch was so drugged that we had to carry him outside to potty but he would still lay on his futon and howl if we left the house. Dutch won't tolerate being crated, he chews the crate to the point of self mutilation and apparently was that way in his former racing life which is why he only has nubs left for teeth. I continue to pray for good news from the agency. If we find the right prospect we plan to take our family to a neutral setting for everyone to meet and we'll see how it goes from there.

 

Ok - Sorry - Had to go to an appointment - Here's a longer answer:

 

Yes, adding a companion can help many greyhounds with SA. Some need a greyhound friend while others are fine with other types of companions. As was mentioned above, Greyhounds are raised with other greyhounds all their lives, and are never really alone the whole time from puppyhood until they are adopted. It sounds like Dutch is doing much better with another greyhound so I would start there. I'm normally not a big proponent of having your current grey involved in the adoption process, but in this case, it seems appropriate.

 

In your original post you mention you've tried a lot of things to help Dutch. Let me sk some questions to clarify:

 

Was the behavioralist you tried a certified Veterinary Behavioralist or a training behavioralist?? Many people who are "behavioralists" can only address training issues. A certified VB can address all the origins of behavioral problems - physical, mental, and behavioral. They are also licensed to prescribe drugs and should be congnizant of new treatments available.

 

How many different medications did you try with him?? Often - just as with people - different drugs are more effective with different individuals. There are several classes of drugs available to treat anxiety problems, and several options in each class. They all work on different parts of the brain and in different ways. If you only tried one or two, you might not have exhausted your possibilities in this area. Some need 1-2 months to be truly effective, while others have a more immediate effect. Dosages can also be quite variable dog to dog.

 

Here is a link to a thread I started here about my spook Cash. She does not have SA but you can read my research about the different anti-anxiety drugs, and some of the responses, including links to different resources.

Cash's drug problem

 

Good luck and keep us posted!

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My boy Boo had (I use the past tense because he passes away this spring) severe separation anxiety. I dealt with him eliminating in the house, barking, howling, digging, panting, upset neighbors, damage to the house, etc. and when I brought him home I had two other greyhounds. A companion isn't always the answer but I know that having other dogs helped him. It took about a year to get him to stop having accidents in the house (like Dutch he would not tolerate being crated) another six months to stop digging at the doors and yet another six months to stop excessive vocalization. Fortunately I was able to meet with my neighbors and explain my situation and most were willing to be patient with me and with him.

 

At the same time I have placed a few hundred greyhounds in the last ten years and in almost all cases (eleven that I can remember [and one exception]) a companion greyhound made a huge or complete difference. As others have so astutely pointed out, greyhounds are raised communally, Dutch was probably never without other greyhounds until your brought him home. The problem is so many vets and veterinary behaviorists don't understand that greyhounds break the typical dog mold. Most dog are weened at eight to ten weeks and sent home with people where they may be an only dog. Greyhounds stay with their littermates until they're about a year old, then they start training where they continue to live with other greyhounds, once finished they race and in the kennel they're surrounded by other greyhounds and finally they're retired. Many greyhounds don't know what it is to be alone until they're well into adulthood. Adaptation and coping is much harder for them and the companionship of another greyhound, even if they're not very interested in each other, can be extremely comforting. So a typical dog leaves their pack at eight to ten weeks to become the part of a human pack whereas a greyhound may be anywhere from two to eight years old when they leave their canine pack for a human pack. I think that makes a huge difference.

 

My ultimate advice is that adding a second can't possibly hurt Dutch, the worst case scenario is that you have another dog who loves you completely.

 

Thank you for working so hard with Dutch, for being patient and willing to try everything to make his life better. My separation anxiety boy was my heart dog too!

 

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I just wanted to say how terribly sorry I am for your loss and thank you for reliving those memories in order to help me. You're a kind sole.

 

My boy Boo had (I use the past tense because he passes away this spring) severe separation anxiety. I dealt with him eliminating in the house, barking, howling, digging, panting, upset neighbors, damage to the house, etc. and when I brought him home I had two other greyhounds. A companion isn't always the answer but I know that having other dogs helped him. It took about a year to get him to stop having accidents in the house (like Dutch he would not tolerate being crated) another six months to stop digging at the doors and yet another six months to stop excessive vocalization. Fortunately I was able to meet with my neighbors and explain my situation and most were willing to be patient with me and with him.

 

At the same time I have placed a few hundred greyhounds in the last ten years and in almost all cases (eleven that I can remember [and one exception]) a companion greyhound made a huge or complete difference. As others have so astutely pointed out, greyhounds are raised communally, Dutch was probably never without other greyhounds until your brought him home. The problem is so many vets and veterinary behaviorists don't understand that greyhounds break the typical dog mold. Most dog are weened at eight to ten weeks and sent home with people where they may be an only dog. Greyhounds stay with their littermates until they're about a year old, then they start training where they continue to live with other greyhounds, once finished they race and in the kennel they're surrounded by other greyhounds and finally they're retired. Many greyhounds don't know what it is to be alone until they're well into adulthood. Adaptation and coping is much harder for them and the companionship of another greyhound, even if they're not very interested in each other, can be extremely comforting. So a typical dog leaves their pack at eight to ten weeks to become the part of a human pack whereas a greyhound may be anywhere from two to eight years old when they leave their canine pack for a human pack. I think that makes a huge difference.

 

My ultimate advice is that adding a second can't possibly hurt Dutch, the worst case scenario is that you have another dog who loves you completely.

 

Thank you for working so hard with Dutch, for being patient and willing to try everything to make his life better. My separation anxiety boy was my heart dog too!

 

-Jeff

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Hello! I also have two dogs from Monica's Heart, so I can say with authority that Kay will be able to help! Tempe, who was my first, also has SA. She is currently on Clomipramine, which does help. She has only been on it for six months, but we've seen some improvements. She also can not be crated, she has panic attacks before we even leave. Right now she is muzzled in the house, with gates up on the rooms we don't want her in. She does still potty on the floor sometimes. :( Usually only when we leave at night, she seems to be fine with my normal work schedule, but anything out of the ordinary will set her off.

 

In our case, she does not seem to care about the other dogs in the house. Her SA is focused on me, and she used to drive my daughter and fiance insane when I left and they were home alone with her! That has gotten a lot better in these last months. She has kind of a rolling whine that she does, it is really annoying I must say! But if I spend some time thinking about it...how do I know her anxiety wouldn't be much worse if there weren't other dogs in the house? Maybe she would move on to ripping down curtains and digging at my doors!

 

So my advice would be to try to adopt or foster another hound, and see if that helps!

 

On another note, your dog is very attached to you, it's possible he is behaving in her house because he hasn't really bonded with them yet (not being unkind here :) ) Tempe's anxiety has gotten worse over the last year, and I can tell you that after we have a weekend together, Monday is usually one of her worst days. The more time I spend with her, the more she misses me when I leave.

 

Good luck to you!

 

ETA: Tempe is also my heart dog, something to think about.

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Our girl had problems in former foster homes when she was crated and/or alone. At our home, it took her a few weeks to realize that an elderly Aussie and 3 dachshunds were also dogs. Now, there's no separation anxiety when her pals are nearby. But, she doesn't crate at all ... unless we're sitting right by the crate. So, no crate for Ady Bea.

 

When we leave the house she sleeps contentedly with her little crew of other *strange looking hounds* nearby.

 

I know another dog doesn't work for all dogs, but it does work for many. I know that when age catches up with our elderly Aussie, Jake, we will need something, or someone, to fill the huge hole it will leave in Ady Bea's heart.

 

Oh, and if you're adopting another dog, I'd sure take Dutch along to let him pick out his new roomie. :)

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Did adopting a second work for anyone when all else failed?

 

Thank You!

 

Instantly!

 

Our Scoop-dog had horrible SA from the minute we brought him home.

I worked from home, so he normally had my company and attention all day.

But when I had to leave? Hooooooboy! Panting, barking, crying, pacing. He escaped from his crate twice before we discovered zip-ties. He would be an absolute puddle by the time we got home. And he hated his crate. And I equally hated physically forcing him into his crate. He would tremble and cry at the thought of having to be crated.

 

We did everything that the books, the fine folks here, our vet, and our adoption coordinator suggested. Superstuffed Kongs. Radio. TV. Alone training. Out of the crate training. Changing up my leaving cues. I can't tell you how many times I drove around the block to give him "alone training".

Nothing worked. He still had major panic attacks.

 

Until......

 

We were only supposed to dog-sit Mr. Pepperoni for the weekend while his foster-mom was at GIG. We thought it would be a good test for Scoop to see if having a "buddy" would help with his SA. Ummm, that was almost 2 months ago and Pepperoni is still here!

 

Scoop-dog hasn't had one moment of SA since Pepperoni's arrival.

 

He crates beautifully now. When it is time to go somewhere I only need to quietly say the word "crate" and they both run in and lay down. Not a peep. No drool. No escapes. They both eat in their crates (doors open)& get their nighttime snack in their crates.

 

One of these days I'm going to start alone training again without crates. I think it will be successful.

 

Oh, and Mr. Pepperoni isn't going anywhere. This "fostering" is fine, but the adoption paperwork has been signed and only needs to be turned into the group.

 

I say go for it!

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A small update but one that gives me hope.

 

Twice now we have had Dutch and his hound buddy Argus at our house and left them there alone. In both instances we have asked friendly neighbors to keep an ear on things and report back. On both occasions we were told you never would have even known there were dogs in our house! :colgate I think we have our solution. Now, we just need the right pup to welcome into our family.

 

Still no word from Kay or the contact she is working with on locating that perfect match. This has to be one of the hardest waits to endure. I desperately want to bring my boy home to stay but want it to be for the right reason. I'm also a glutton for punishment, I keep going on adoption group sites and looking at the descriptions of available hounds and thinking this one would be perfect or that one would be just right. I REALLY have to stop doing that to myself! :rolleyes:

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:wave Hi Michelle and welcome to GreyTalk from Philly. I am sorry it has been such a long haul with SA to get you here, but please stick around and join in the fun too. :wave

 

Having 5 hounds, I have never had to deal with SA, but can tell you that none of my 5 have ever had one night without the company of another greyhound. Their ages are 12-1/2, 11-1/2 (2), 8-1/2 and 5-1/2. The multiples could be why I have not had SA as they usually bond with each other first. I am not saying get 4 more hounds, but that another hound could make the difference for Dutch. :lol

 

Please keep us posted. I must say I admire and respect your total dedication to Dutch, many adopters would have given up long ago. :yay :yay

 

Again, welcome and please join in the GT community. :)

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Thank you. I actually did belong to GT for a few years after we brought Dutch home. Then as time went by and life got busier I just sort of drifted away. I couldn't remember what my old log in info was and I assume that account would be long gone anyway so I just signed up as a newbie. There has been many a time however over the past years that I returned to my faithful resource, the GT community! :)

 

:wave Hi Michelle and welcome to GreyTalk from Philly. I am sorry it has been such a long haul with SA to get you here, but please stick around and join in the fun too. :wave

 

Having 5 hounds, I have never had to deal with SA, but can tell you that none of my 5 have ever had one night without the company of another greyhound. Their ages are 12-1/2, 11-1/2 (2), 8-1/2 and 5-1/2. The multiples could be why I have not had SA as they usually bond with each other first. I am not saying get 4 more hounds, but that another hound could make the difference for Dutch. :lol

 

Please keep us posted. I must say I admire and respect your total dedication to Dutch, many adopters would have given up long ago. :yay :yay

 

Again, welcome and please join in the GT community. :)

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A small update but one that gives me hope.

 

Twice now we have had Dutch and his hound buddy Argus at our house and left them there alone. In both instances we have asked friendly neighbors to keep an ear on things and report back. On both occasions we were told you never would have even known there were dogs in our house! :colgate I think we have our solution. Now, we just need the right pup to welcome into our family.

 

Still no word from Kay or the contact she is working with on locating that perfect match. This has to be one of the hardest waits to endure. I desperately want to bring my boy home to stay but want it to be for the right reason. I'm also a glutton for punishment, I keep going on adoption group sites and looking at the descriptions of available hounds and thinking this one would be perfect or that one would be just right. I REALLY have to stop doing that to myself! :rolleyes:

 

How awesome that you finally have your answer! I think once your boy has a buddy at home of his own, things will be much better. I am so amazed that you kept working on fixing the problem this long. A lot of others would have given up long ago. Kudo's for doing everything you could for your boy. Let us know when you have a new buddy for him and we'll want pictures of the two together!

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Michelle, are you SURE that Dutch is with Argus, or are they with you for the weekend? I just returned from the lane behind their house. ph34r.gif No sign of any dogs, I whistled, called their names, nothing. If they are inside they are very quiet! I must confess that I have been there a few times blush.gif and have yet to see or hear Dutch. All is very quiet.confetti.gif

 

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The boys actually spent Friday night at our house. Lori and Dave were at a party so she dropped them off here first knowing we had plans together Saturday anyway. Thank you soo much for checking though!

The excellent news is that we left the two of them alone in my house again all morning this morning and our attached neighbors (very nice people in the other half of our duplex, who just returned from vacation and were very sorry all this was happening)said that they never heard I sound. Absolutely nothing!

Since I work tomorrow but my husband will be home, and I'm off Monday and Tuesday, I'll be keeping Dutch for a couple days. :) Hopefully by then I'll hear something from Kay at Monica's.

 

Michelle, are you SURE that Dutch is with Argus, or are they with you for the weekend? I just returned from the lane behind their house. ph34r.gif No sign of any dogs, I whistled, called their names, nothing. If they are inside they are very quiet! I must confess that I have been there a few times blush.gif and have yet to see or hear Dutch. All is very quiet.confetti.gif

 

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