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  1. Sorry, follow up question here about my new adoptee's protocol, as I do not think it is sufficient after reading so many threads here. Is this enough? Vet seems open to trying new things, but I want to be clear and also see if there is documentation on it (she sent me home with "Hookworms and Racing Greyhounds" data Oct 2019 by Dr Ng) to share with her. The Prison Protocol link I saw in previous threads is a dead link now. We have 3 days of Panacur granules (started today) Today we also gave her Strongid (only got one vial of this) Today we also applied Advantage Multi - we are to apply this every 2 weeks for 3 applications, then switch to monthly Re-test her in 6 months That's it. Is that correct for initial treatment? Thanks!
  2. Was wondering about how I can best prevent hookworm infestation in my two older greyhounds since we just found out today that new adoptee has them. She's on Dr. Ng's "triple combination" protocol and I've been reading a lot here about treatments and issues (very disheartening, I must say) - but my bigger questions are around how to protect my two negative greyhounds. Unfortunately we weren't aware this was even an issue, so they ran around the yard together for almost two weeks - we have someone clean the yard once per week, and they often "go" on walks, so the yard has never been an issue. But...now we are concerned. I know that cleaning up right away is #1 (even though we can't do the "paper plate" thing of following her around since she's pretty skittish and she tried to get away from me when I followed her around with a baggie today, lol). Both existing greys are on Heartguard Plus and vet explained that even if they did get infected, it wouldn't really be the same thing since it wouldn't be chronic infestation that ended up in tissues and re-infected intermittently, and that the HG+ should protect them and kill any adults right away. Is this the case? Does cleaning feet immediately after being in the yard help? I've read the adults and eggs can't live through a hard freeze - but has anyone tried using one of those "poop freezing" sprays to kill them? We live in NC, so hot & humid weather is on the way - but if we pick up right away and then freeze whatever remains in the grass with the spray... might that work? I've read there is no proven way of treating yards - is that the case? I honestly don't care if I kill the grass, I just want to kill the hooks. Does anyone know how long they can live in soil? I guess our yard is infested now, which just sucks since we didn't know, but whatever - we have to deal with it. Can we do anything at all? Spray with bleach? Wondercide? Anything? Or... are we just waiting for a hard freeze this winter? Finally, how many of you have dealt with a new adoptee "infecting" your existing greys (or other dogs)? Are they easier to treat as my vet suggested? Is there anything else I can to help our new girl and our existing two? Still researching her treatment, but hoping to get a crash course in protecting the other two. Should we section off our yard and keep them separated? Buy them booties (which would be super funny)? Any tips or knowledge would be greatly appreciated!
  3. Thanks so much everyone! She started eating again the next day, we simply "ignored" her and let her settle down - didn't approach her, let her come to us - and she was eating again the next morning. Right now, it's only chicken & rice - but we added a couple TBL of kibble this morning and we'll work towards a more normal diet soon. Bad news - she tested positive for hookworm this afternoon and our vet put her on Dr. Ng's "triple combination" protocol. We have all the meds here and will start them right away - hopefully that will help her feel better and eat normally. We're also going to section off our backyard to give her "her own spot" to go in hopes of keeping other two safe while she is being treated. It's a lot to take in, as we've never dealt with this before. But, we're committed to her and only hope we can get her feeling better soon, even if it takes longer to eradicate the worms. Guess I'll be investigating those threads here to get more info quickly!
  4. Ugh, I didn't know about hookworms - just asked the adoption group and I guess they don't specifically test for them, but they do deworm regularly. I had no idea, wish they would've told us about the risk. I'm not online much these days (here or anywhere) and we've had our current two for over 5 years and we've never had any worms on any greys for almost 20 years - now I'm concerned they will get hookworms. Our boy is 9 years old, has a sensitive stomach and will not take meds. We've always been worried that if he ever got sick, we wouldn't have any idea how we'd give him oral meds. Dangit. We have a vet appointment for her on Friday to get her tested and see. No eating tonight, either - still drinking though, so I guess that's something. So she hasn't had a full'ish meal since yesterday morning - she had a few treats (maybe 2?) for lunch yesterday and that's it. Guess I'll just keep trying stuff and giving her a quiet, calm place in her kennel. She sat there looking at it for 20 minutes tonight - finally let her out and gave up. Vet also said not to let her eat grass.
  5. Hiya - yeah, we had her in the crate last night and this morning (3x) and left her food (increasingly tasty, lol) with her and she didn't touch it. She was eating her food "okay" up to this point, but last night - nothing. Today - nothing (except about a teaspoon of peanut butter we got on the roof of her mouth w/ Pepcid and about 1/5 of a piece of string cheese). Her other meals she "picks" - but now, nothing. Essentially at this point, she hasn't eaten anything other than a teaspoon of peanut butter & a tiny piece of cheese in 24 hours. Yeah, we're stressed, but we aren't freaking out. Her stomach is gurgling loudly and the adoption group let us know she gets an upset stomach, won't eat, etc. - and she was actually a return from a previous homing attempt. They did tell us she wasn't eating and also wasn't bonding with the other dog - so I'm sure that was a reason for her return. No real bonding here either - which isn't a concern - our pairs have never been overly close, never play together really, definitely no bed sharing, hah. They are all quite polite with one another, despite the new pup not knowing her boundaries yet and utterly clueless to the reprimands. But, no biggie. I can't imagine what a wreck she would be if we tried to take her to the vet at this point. Can they check for worms if we just bring a sample in? She's a sweet little thing and I can deal with a picky dog (we've dealt with that before) - and we understand illness & stress can lead to not eating (dealt with that before, too). I guess because she's panting, pacing and her stomach is grumbling and gurgling so terribly - it's tough to watch. Was hoping others had tips & tricks for scared, new pups who aren't eating.
  6. Hi all - we're experienced with greyhounds and just adopted our 7th (currently she's our 3rd) the Sunday before last (April 4). Obviously she is quite new and she's a nervous little thing - I don't think she's a spook, but she is very skittish. Our direct issue is that she will not eat and her stomach is going crazy. It's a vicious cycle - won't eat, stomach goes nuts and she doesn't want to eat, so she continues to not eat. We've managed to get her on our normal schedule (breakfast at 6am & then go out - walk around 8'ish - out again after a few treats at lunch time - dinner at 5 & then out - walk around 6 and out at 10pm with a few bedtime snacks) with limited success, and we aren't trying to "enforce" anything (really) that will stress her out. We just want her to eat, so we're doing all we can. Last night and this morning has been rough. She does better since we put her in her crate to eat, with a sheet over it to block out everything "outside" and we baby gate the other two upstairs to give her quiet space. I typically have to give her a high-value treat or two first, then she'll eat her meal (mostly). We've adjusted all we can think of - let her out first, then eat - let her eat with the other two outside, in the kennel, sheet on and off, out of the kennel, on a bed, in different rooms, etc. She's pretty scared of men, but likes my husband okay - but eating is a bit better with me. We've also left her food out (in and out of the kennel) for up to 45 minutes to see if she'll settle, and nothing. We've tried chicken, rice, broth, treats (all we have), cheese sticks, peanut butter, parmesan cheese on her food, pumpkin, tuna, canned food, eggs... no eating. We've also tried making it a fun game, getting them a little excited and gave each a treat (and pretended to eat one myself) to get her interested - and that seemed to get her interest, but she didn't want to eat anything (these were high-value soft jerky treats that she was eating before). This morning we put some Pepcid in peanut butter and swiped it on the roof of her mouth, hoping it would settle her stomach a bit and she'd eat. But that didn't seem to help. I've been in touch with the adoption group and they've given us some tips, told us what she used to eat at the kennel, etc. - but nothing works. I'm remaining pretty laid back (my husband had to run out, so it's just us here) so I'm not stressing her out more - things are pretty quiet in the neighborhood (it was trash day today, so the loud trucks made her nervous). She is pacing, panting and her stomach is so loud. The other dogs are sleeping. Adoption group recommended not letting her eat grass, which is all she wants to do, so we'll use the poop guard muzzle on her when we let her out. She's drinking water, but not eating. I'm worried... any suggestions? How long can not eating go on? If she doesn't settle down, I'm concerned she'll collapse...
  7. Hi Junebuggy - and congrats on your new pup! Ex-racers truly are a different breed of dog in pretty much every way, which is why so many of us adore them. We've been adopting since 2004 and just adopted our 7th (we have 3 now!). We do not have kids and never will, so no advice there - but I wanted to also say - and I'm not trying to be a downer, only trying to inject a dose of reality... If you aren't planning on kids for another 3-4 years, and babies typically start crawling around, what - 9'ish months - you're looking at 4-5 years down the road? Number one, your greyhound will be a very different dog in 4-5 years. I'm not sure how old she is, but we've seen the most crazy, weird & quirky dogs turn into mellow, sweet, cuddlers (still quirky, though!). Second, and this is the part that I'm sure a lot of people will label me as depressing, but there is absolutely no guarantee your pup will be around in 4-5 years. Sadly, very sadly, we've lost two of our greyhounds before they even turned 9. Another made it just past his 10th and our oldest was 13.5. In fact, we found out right after adopting our (now 8 year old) girl that one of her littermates died within a couple months of adoption from bone cancer at only 4 years old. In a nutshell, enjoy the HECK out of your girl and don't worry about the future when you may, or may not, have kids that she may, or may not, get along with when they start crawling. Literally - cross that bridge with future you and don't spend another second worrying. Spend your time training her, socializing her, maybe spending quality time with respectful children now, and loving her - but don't fret. Honestly, if you worry about that now, you won't enjoy her (very short) life fully. And BTW, I guarantee there is an entire community of greyhound lovers that would adopt a rehome in a HOT SECOND if this situation ever happened in 4-5 years - especially given how difficult it will be to adopt an ex-racer in the US. If I were the adopter, I would also make darn sure that you got regular updates, photos and could visit and I'm sure a lot of others would do the same.
  8. Hi both - thanks for the replies! We haven't seen a specialist yet because Finn is SO scared of vets that we're trying to treat this to see if it gets better before moving to a more drastic setting. To my knowledge, the only tests performed were the physical exams (poking, pulling, etc.) and an x-ray (upon my insistence to check for cancer and breaks). The girl we lost to osteo 4 years ago went lame like this also and after numerous vet visits, x-rays, exams, medications, etc. - we were told she had a stroke and we should get her into rehab and a specialist immediately. We took her in, put her under for a full MRI and neuro consult, more drugs, more rehab, etc. - when she was still getting worse after all the torture we put her through, we had another x-ray done and they found the osteo. By then it was too late for amputation or any other options (we paid for a consult with Dr Cuoto at that point, as well) and we went into palliative care and lost her less than a month later. Honestly, I'm not as concerned about the money - I'm not Oprah or anything, but if we have to spend the money to get a diagnosis, treatment, etc., we'll do it. I'm more concerned with Finn about the exams, clinical settings, putting him under for an MRI, etc. When he reaches his breaking point, he lashes out and shuts down and every trip to the vet pushes him a little closer to the edge. On top of that, my husband tried to lift him yesterday to take him down the stairs because he was struggling to walk and he screamed and lashed out. Of course, my husband was intent on doing it so he tried again (even though I asked him not to) and Finn screamed again, growled and ran off to hide in the corner. It took 10 minutes of coaxing to just get him off the bed - so I can't imagine how we'd get him in and out of the truck (SUV) to go to/from the vet. We'd definitely muzzle him - but if he's in that much pain and this is a groin strain, the in & out + the car rides to and from + the exam and standing around at the vet would likely make it worse. I just don't want to put him through a lot of stuff he doesn't need.
  9. Our 8-year-old was diagnosed with an iliopsoas strain in April. He's very sensitive to meds, so we've had a tough time finding anything to give him any relief and his x-rays haven't shown anything abnormal - even though he "screamed bloody murder" during his last exam when the vet checked his right-side groin, he couldn't recreate the response - so I'm not 100% convinced it's an iliopsoas strain. I'm sure I'm overly sensitive since we lost our last greyhound to osteo and she also started limping, then not using her leg at all - much like what Finn is doing. Anywho, the vet suggested we "ice" the strain, but I'm a) not sure exactly where to ice and b) how we could possibly do this given he doesn't tolerate us much when he's not feeling well. I have loads of gel ice packs (and even a cold therapy machine, but we won't use that for him!) since I've had so many knee surgeries - but he gave us no instructions on where/how to do it. I assume it needs to be on the inside part of his upper thigh/groin area - but doing this while he's lying down is going to be impossible once he realizes what we are trying to do and I assume since he can't stand comfortably it would be silly to try and stand there and do it. I have some nice towels I use on my knee so he won't feel extreme cold at all, but if he allows us to even put an ice pack up there, how long should we try and do this? Any creative ideas on how to keep it in place since I'm sure he'll move? Perhaps wrap it up with an Ace bandage while he's standing and see if we can then get him to lie down? For what, maybe 15 minutes? His initial diagnosis was a month & a half ago and he's only getting worse. I'm doubling down on keeping him in solitary confinement and also wanted to try the icing. He hasn't tolerated any meds very well yet, so I contacted the vet again today to see if we had other options. Any other suggestions - I'll try anything, I just don't want him in pain anymore.
  10. Since I'm in data analytics, I ran the numbers a couple years back (after losing our 4th greyhound and racking up some huge medical bills) as to how much we'd pay out for insurance each month, what copays would be based on x-number of visits (I got this data looking at past info for all 4 previous dogs), max pay-backs, deductibles and how much the insurance would cover. I compared that to what we paid out for each dog, including huge medical bills for major surgeries, MRIs, broken bones, chronic medications for heart issues (and all the testing we had to have done for him), chemo treatments, rehab, etc. I literally plugged in all the costs for each dog and compared it to what insurance would've cost vs. what it would pay back. Turns out we came out ahead not using insurance in all 4 cases. After spending almost $10k in 2 months for our sweet girl who we were initially told had a stroke (so we had an MRI, neuro consults, rehab, etc.) but turned out to be osteo (more x-rays, drugs, testing, etc.) - who we ended up losing - I was convinced we should get insurance. But, even for the year that included that 2-month period for her, we came out ahead paying out of pocket because she had no other issues that year and insurance didn't cover wellness visits, heartworm, etc.(basically all the stuff we pay each year when they are healthy) and there was a deductible and max payout. I've been running the numbers for our current pups also and we're way ahead paying out of pocket. I know some people swear it's a good thing to have, but I'm 100% convinced that it's never worth it. I think the only benefit is that you pay out a little over time so they'll (hopefully) help when big bills hit - but I think it's probably better to start a new savings account that you put that monthly payment plus a little more in each month, get a little interest, and use that for medical expenses when they come up. FYI - I ran the numbers for multiple insurance policies, as my employer offers discounts on one of them and I thought it would be a good deal.
  11. Thanks, all! His x-rays showed nothing abnormal and the only response the vet got was the one time he screamed when he pushed on that right side of his groin. He couldn't re-create it and I asked that he not be too aggressive, as Finn is pretty sensitive. So, we are going with the initial diagnosis - if I don't see improvement in 4-6 weeks, I'll check about getting an MRI done. I hate even thinking about it, because Finn really doesn't do well in clinical environments - he gets so stressed out. Vet gave us 5 days worth of Galliprant (60mg) and Methocarbamol (500mg). The Galliprant is one every 24 hours - so I gave him a dose last night w/ dinner (as directed by the vet & the prescription bottle) - @tbhounds - you mentioned I should give him this on an empty stomach?? I haven't started him on the Methocarbamol because I'm concerned that if he has a reaction, I won't know which drug he's reacting to if I give him both at one time. He's driving me a bit mad because he's still running around like he's a puppy and walking him in the backyard on a leash so he won't run is making him not want to go! He's a booger!
  12. Congrats!! We lasted only about 2.5 months as a single greyhound family.
  13. Unfortunately, I can attest to this also. We've had some critter kills in our backyard and the dogs have almost always killed and brought them back to us. The only difference we see from EllenEveBaz is that our "presents" have sometimes been pretty bloody. I won't go into gory details, but the bigger prey (opossums, specifically) tend to be pretty bloody - but the smaller prey (chipmunks, squirrels, bunnies) seem to have broken necks/spines. I think they get more excited with the bigger prey and would try and tear it away from the other one. FYI - after the 3rd opossum kill, they had to wear muzzles for their bedtime outside visit. I just couldn't take it anymore!!
  14. Our almost-8-year-old boy, Finn, started limping 2.5 weeks ago. It was clearly his back right leg, but he was still eating, playing, happy and running around - also wasn't showing any crankiness when we poked & prodded. Also noticed the limp was more pronounced on hard surfaces and improved on carpet/grass. We took him to the vet when it didn't improve after a week - the vet couldn't find anything (though my husband didn't insist, as I requested, on x-rays). However, we were told to "rest" him and give him Rimadyl. He had 1 dose that Monday afternoon at the vet, then 2 doses on Tuesday and finally another 1 on Wednesday morning. Then the vomiting started. He threw up twice after breakfast (about 2.5-3 hours later) and again after his afternoon snacks. I refused to give him another dose of Rimadyl and made him chicken & rice for dinner. I gave him a small amount (maybe 1/3 cup), which he threw up. Knowing that he also has issues with vomiting when his stomach is empty and concerned about deydration, I made him some chicken broth and he threw that up. Then threw up again overnight and again the early next morning (around 4'ish). Finally was able to keep food down later that morning and had no more episodes; however, he will get no more Rimadyl. Just took him back in as his symptoms are not improving. I've checked for corns about 10x (including using the toothpaste method) and found nothing. He's still running around, despite our efforts to keep him calm and not going on walks (which is making him miserable). Insisted on x-rays since we lost a grey to osteo a few years back - but the vet just called that after more poking & prodding, Finn reacted and "screamed bloody murder" when he pushed on his right-side groin (no reaction on the left). He thinks it's an iliopsoas strain. He is still at the vet since they'll have to lightly sedate him for x-rays - but I'm sure if the groin strain diagnosis is consistent, he'll recommend anti-inflammatories. Since he clearly cannot have Rimadyl - are there others that anyone would suggest for sensitive greyhounds? He's not on any other medications (other than heartworm meds), still eating and acting normally and no more vomiting episodes since we ceased the Rimadyl.
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