Guest kar Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 my 6 yr olod greyhound has pln - her ratio went from 0.5 to 0.9 - vet is very concerned - should i be really worried Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kar Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 the ratio is the protein in urine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potomacpupsmom Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 http://www.akcchf.org/canine-health/your-dogs-health/disease-information/protein-losing-nephropathy.html Maybe this site will give you more information? Quote Humans Kathy and Jim with our girls, Ivy (Carolina Spoon) and Cherry (Fly Cherry Pie) Missing our beautiful angel Breeze (Dighton Breeze) and angel Beka (BM Beko) - you are forever in our hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kar Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 i know the details does anyone else have a dog with this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbhounds Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 0.9 is actually not that high. Personally, I would just monitor for now assuming you already ran a urine culture to rule out an infection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJNg Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 As tbhounds mentioned, 0.9 really isn't that high. Values less than 1.0 actually used to be considered normal. A UPC ratio less than 1 in a dog who is normal with no bloodwork abnormalities usually just needs to be monitored. Is there something else going on that makes your vet so concerned? Is your dog acting sick or having problems? I wouldn't get worried just based on a number. Especially since I believe your dog was diagnosed with PLN over a year ago, this indicates that it really hasn't progressed much.Here's a good article with more info. A quote from the article ("intervention" is explained later in the article): Urine protein:creatinine ratio of <1.0 in a stable animal with normal kidney function tests (normal blood creatinine) can be periodically monitored. A urine protein:creatinine ratio of 1-2 warrants investigation into a possible underlying cause. A urine protein:creatinine ratio >2 warrants not only investigation but also intervention. Quote Jennifer & Willow (Wilma Waggle), Wiki (Wiki Hard Ten), Carter (Let's Get It On), Ollie (whippet), Gracie (whippet x), & Terra (whippet) + Just Saying + Just Alice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kudzu Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Have one here with PLN. Her UPC over 2, can't remember exact. She is symptomatic of PLN also. Initially presented with excess drinking & urinating. On bloodwork BUN & Cre were a little high but nothing dramatic. She came with prior bloodwork so we could tell the Cre was normal for her but BUN was elevated. No one had done a prior workup on kidney issues so we did. That is how she was diagnosed. While that change in UPC would make me suspicious & thus watchful it would not move me to do a big workup or start any treatment for PLN. However, I would definitely run follow up test for UPC. One or the other of those numbers could have been a fluke. UPC isn't usually something I see on urinalysis. Was your dog having a problem that caused you to run UPC initially? What does the rest of your dogs urinalysis & bloodwork look like? Is blood work all in line? What is USG? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3DogNite Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 There are several of us who have dogs with PLN. did you try a search ? my boy Lazer has had an amazing journey with PLN. there is a lot on here about him. pm me if you want more specific information.. it's a long wonderful story he is almost 7yrs old now and going strong,, beating this disease!!! Quote lorinda, mom to the ever revolving door of Foster greyhounds Always in my heart: Teala (LC Sweet Dream) , Pepton, Darbee-Do (Hey Barb) , Rascal (Abitta Rascal), Power (Beyond the Power), and the miracle boy LAZER (2/21/14), Spirit (Bitter Almonds) 8/14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kar Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 snow had starteda little over a year ago with a uti - i hae emailed the breeder just to ask her if she had ever had a dog with a uti - she emailed me back to let me know to get her checked for pln as it was in her lines hence the testing - snow only had bloodwork once - and i believe vet said that was normal - but urine tests showed initally a 0.5 and it stayed there until it came back 0.9 this week. my vet is going to speak to an internist tomorrow - and get her input snow is the only non racing grey i have ever had - all others - doug who died at 6 from a rare spinal cancer and scotch who have now are ex racers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyandHollyluv Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Oh boy. I lost my sweet Holly at 12-3/4 yrs old to PLN in Dec 2011. Your pup is so young. Stay on top of it. Read as much as you can. Modify diet as necessary. Be proactive. Don't give up. Many hugs to you. My Holly was older but I have to believe there is more you can do for a younger hound. Hugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kar Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 my vet spoke to an medical specialist - she suggested bloodwork - which i can understand but also bloodwork for tick borne disease - but snow is not an ex racer and has been vaccinated for lyme - also suggested a sterile urine sampleby needle and an ultrasound my vet will call with prices tomorrow - however shedid not suggest any change in diet or medication which i found odd - any opinions on this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJNg Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 The specialist's suggestions sound very reasonable and consistent with what I've been taught and what my local internists recommend in cases like this. If your dog is not sick, and with such a mild UPC elevation, no need for special diets or meds until you know more about what's going on. Quote Jennifer & Willow (Wilma Waggle), Wiki (Wiki Hard Ten), Carter (Let's Get It On), Ollie (whippet), Gracie (whippet x), & Terra (whippet) + Just Saying + Just Alice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kar Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 thanks my vet seems very concerned about this though and is making me very nervous - she has already told me that pln more or less will cause her death - although i know there is no cure it made me very nervous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbhounds Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 thanks my vet seems very concerned about this though and is making me very nervous - she has already told me that pln more or less will cause her death - although i know there is no cure it made me very nervousI think your vet is making you very nervous without cause. The protocol the internist sounds very reasonable to me too :-)I'm not sure if this applies to non-racing ghs but, Dr Couto has made claim that PLN in retired racing ghs advances very, very slowly. If it helps I can tell you that my own girl has had a UPC hovering around 1.2 for over a year w/o change. She's also a patient of Dr Coutos and he's really not concerned with that number as of yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kar Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 thanks i've heard of dr couto wisl i nwas close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan41 Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 I also have one with PLN. The process to get a diagnosis 14 months ago was very difficult due to other complications. Unless the Super Chem, CBC blood test results, urinalysis, complete with specific gravity and UPC (via cystocentesis), point to kidney disease, an ultrasound may not be necessary. Quote Linda, Mom to Fuzz, Barkley, and the felines Miss Kitty, Simon and Joseph.Waiting at The Bridge: Alex, Josh, Harley, Nikki, Beemer, Anna, Frank, Rachel, my heart & soul, Suze and the best boy ever, Dalton.<p> ....for all those hounds that are sick, hurt, lost or waiting for their forever homes. SENIORS ROCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carronstar Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Aquitaine is another one with a PLN diagnosis from the internist/specialist here in NYC. When I sent multiple sets of her blood and urine test results to OSU they said they would not have diagnosed PLN in a greyhound with her numbers. That has helped me a lot mentally and emotionally. I still treat the high BP and we did change her diet. Thankfully, my crazy girl thinks K/D is the greatest thing ever. She should! It costs a fortune. We do blood and BP tests every 6-8 weeks and her numbers are staying fairly consistent to where she was 3 years ago when we did her first set of blood and urine before a dental surgery. She does get a lot of supplements and several essential oils. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kar Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 snow will have her bloodwork tomorrow - curious what supplements does everyone else give Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbhounds Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 snow will have her bloodwork tomorrow - curious what supplements does everyone else give Omega 3's (Welactin ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest undergreysspell Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 I've been using Omega Caps HP snip tips for years. They have them at amazon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kudzu Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Omega 3's here, also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carronstar Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Fish Oil Raspberry Powder Cranberry Powder C0Q10 Rhemannia Coconut Oil Azodyl Glucosamin, Chondroitin, MSM Milk Thistle Zantac 75 Prescription: Enalapril Amlodipine I did try the Neprinol, which does work for some, but sent Aquitaine to the ER. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kar Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 i started her on grizly salmon oil is welactin or omega caps better should get bloodwork back tomorrow - i'm a little nervous Fish OilRaspberry Powder Cranberry Powder C0Q10 Rhemannia Coconut Oil Azodyl Glucosamin, Chondroitin, MSM Milk Thistle Zantac 75 Prescription: Enalapril Amlodipine I did try the Neprinol, which does work for some, but sent Aquitaine to the ER. where do you get all of those Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbhounds Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 kar-knowing what your hounds last UPC was I don't think you should consider any other supplement besides omega 3's. Let the specialist decide whether your baby needs prescription meds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kar Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 kar-knowing what your hounds last UPC was I don't think you should consider any other supplement besides omega 3's. Let the specialist decide whether your baby needs prescription meds. is the grizly oil enough or should i be giving something else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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