Gingivitis And Corns

[Guest amazing_gracie]

So my Gracie girl has a slight limp. Not constantly, just after long walks or zoomies. She walks on her toes when she limps, only on the one foot. It's her left rear paw. I examined the paw and it looks OK; the right lobe of the main footpad feels strange though. Harder and tougher than the rest of the pads. If I press on it, she pulls the foot away. Could this be a corn? Or do corns only occur on toe pads?

 

Also, Gracie has had some level of gingivitis since she came to us. I'll admit, recently I've been slacking with the toothbrushing, but I have supplemented with products that are supposed to help with dental issues. Unfortunately, nothing seems to help. Brushing daily seems to be the only thing that keeps bloody gums at bay. Gracie does not chew bones or anything else, except for bully sticks. She won't touch a Nylabone, she has a quality beef knucklebone that she'll lightly mouthe for about a minute at a time. She greatly enjoys bully sticks but I don't supply them to her regularly - not sure if I should. They are usually a special treat. Anyway, her gums are red directly around the teeth and there is some calculus. If I miss a few days of brushing, they bleed. Her breath is not fantastic, but not foul. She eats normally and doesn't seem to be in pain. The blood makes me concerned, but the vet doesn't seem concerned. Anyway, if anyone can recommend a product or method (in addition to brushing) to help with this, it would be greatly appreciated.

 

Here's a list of products we have used:

• Petrodent Enzymatic toothpaste for dogs

• Teddy's Pride Oral Care - a probiotic powder added to food, supposed to control bad bacteria in the mouth (used daily for 4 months, saw no difference)

• C.E.T. HEXtra Oral Hygiene Chews with Chlorhexidine (used daily for a month, saw no difference)

• Solution of Chlorhexidine applied directly to gums (used intermittently when actively bleeding)

• Solution of Hydrogen Peroxide applied directly to gums (used daily for a month, stopped bleeding, but recommended that usage be stopped)

 

Thanks in advance!

[3greytjoys]

Her pad hardening might be a deep rooted corn that hasn't fully surfaced yet, but could also be something more simple like infection or mineralization.

This link shows the inside of corns: http://www.grassmere-animal-hospital.com/corns.htm

(One of our hounds has had a hardened pad for years, but it didn't cause her a painful limp.)

 

Congratulations on your good dental efforts.

 

Re: gingivitis. I'm guessing if she's not interested in chewing real bones for very long that her gums may be painful.

 

If bleeding gums are a problem, you can try holding toothbrush bristles under hot water before brushing. That softens the bristles, so if you're brushing with a very gentle touch, it's not as hard on the gums. (Glad someone suggested you stop using Hydrogen Peroxide.)

The only thing I know of that safely removes tartar/calculus (besides safe bones) is a professional cleaning. As we know, once tartar begins building up, bacteria begins adhering to the tartar on the teeth and creeps deeply underneath the gum into the root area, and moving into the blood stream to organs.

 

Helps to feed kibble (wet down with water immediately before serving is good to prevent choking). In contrast, feeding soft canned food is terrible on teeth. Canned food coats teeth and stays on teeth creating problems. Any canned food should be brushed off teeth soon after meals.

 

The best way to keep ahead of tartar build-up is a professional veterinary cleaning, then gentle daily brushing.

 

IMO, the best pet toothpaste is C.E.T. (Poultry is our hounds favorite, but beef is "tartar control" so we alternate with that one too.) Available at low prices: www.entirelypets.com

 

We use C.E.T. Oral Hygiene Rinse directly on the teeth of a senior who can't tolerate brushing on one side right now. (We use same C.E.T. rinse during the week after pro dentals, until we can resume brushing.)

 

C.E.T. chews are good for helping reduce plaque, but again, they don't break off already formed cement-like tartar formations. (Should be supervised and taken away when chews get too soft and too small. Use a "trade up" treat method, if needed to take back a chew.)

 

Finally, if your Nylabone is a true "flavor" (chicken, bacon, or liver) don't give up on it forever. She may develop an interest in months/years to come. Try frequently smearing peanut butter on the Nylabone to entice interest. (Our hounds like flatter shapes more than giant round shapes. Flatter is easier to hold and chew). Hard Durachews for dogs over 50 pounds are safest for Greyhounds and are GREAT for keeping dentals to a minimum. That said, some dogs are simply not big chewers.

 

Bully sticks can be dangerous causing intestinal damage/blockage problems. Like with any "edible" chew, constant supervision is very important.

 

Good luck...

[GeorgeofNE]

You need to start with a professional dental cleaning, I think, for any of those products to really help.

 

Some dogs just have bad mouths, and it sounds like your girl is one of them.

 

I'm lucky--my dog has great teeth and gums. Sorry, can't help with the foot, but it might be worth an x-ray of that paw/leg.

[Guest amazing_gracie]

 

(Glad someone suggested you stop using Hydrogen Peroxide.)

The only thing I know of that safely removes tartar/calculus (besides safe bones) is a professional cleaning. As we know, once tartar begins building up, bacteria begins adhering to the tartar on the teeth and creeps deeply underneath the gum into the root area, and moving into the blood stream to organs.

 

Helps to feed kibble (wet down with water immediately before serving is good to prevent choking). In contrast, feeding soft canned food is terrible on teeth. Canned food coats teeth and stays on teeth creating problems. Any canned food should be brushed off teeth soon after meals.

 

Finally, if your Nylabone is a true "flavor" (chicken, bacon, or liver) don't give up on it forever. She may develop an interest in months/years to come. Try frequently smearing peanut butter on the Nylabone to entice interest. (Our hounds like flatter shapes more than giant round shapes. Flatter is easier to hold and chew). Hard Durachews for dogs over 50 pounds are safest for Greyhounds and are GREAT for keeping dentals to a minimum. That said, some dogs are simply not big chewers.

 

Good luck...

 

Thank you. Your post was very informative. Gracie eats only hard kibble with a dollop of plain nonfat yogurt on it. (Does wonders for her tummy.) How often do you suggest a pro dental cleaning?

 

My only worry about a cleaning is my girl had a pro dental 2 days before we brought her home and I began brushing within the first week yet the bloody gums were present even then. Also I'm not thrilled with our current vet and would not feel comfortable entrusting Gracie to their care for a procedure involving anesthesia. I've asked my adoption group to recommend a Grey savvy vet in my area and I'm still waiting for a response.

 

Just out of curiosity, why is Hydrogen Peroxide a bad choice? I haven't used it in a long time. Just wondering.

I will try the peanut butter on the bone and perhaps using a rinse in addition to the brushing will help.

 

I know this is a really long shot, but if anyone knows of a Grey savvy vet in Monmouth County, NJ I'd greatly appreciate a recommendation.

 

Thanks again!

[sweetdogs]

I don't know how many groups do a full dental as part of pre-adoption vet work anymore. I think they may give their mouths a once-over & call it a day. So Gracie may not have had a real good cleaning. That would account for the continued bleeding & tartar buildup. So I'd schedule a cleaning (will be pricey but worth it) & then keep up with maintenance at home. I'm in Bergen County so I can't recommend anyone but hopefully others will pipe up. I would definitely find someone else if your current vet is unconcerned about bleeding gums. There are so many links to oral health & disease - really no excuse for your vet not to follow up.

 

Some people have had excellent results with feeding raw turkey necks a few times a week. I haven't had any hounds that like to chew on nylabones or anything like that but they love their turkey necks.

[3greytjoys]

(Glad someone suggested you stop using Hydrogen Peroxide.)

How often do you suggest a pro dental cleaning?

 

My only worry about a cleaning is my girl had a pro dental 2 days before we brought her home and I began brushing within the first week yet the bloody gums were present even then. Also I'm not thrilled with our current vet and would not feel comfortable entrusting Gracie to their care for a procedure involving anesthesia. I've asked my adoption group to recommend a Grey savvy vet in my area and I'm still waiting for a response.

 

Just out of curiosity, why is Hydrogen Peroxide a bad choice? I haven't used it in a long time. Just wondering.

 

Thanks again!

 

I understand your concern re: finding a top notch Greyhound savvy veterinarian. If your hound was fortunate enough to have had a thorough dental recently, it is possible keep tartar "under control" with home attention starting today. (Just don't expect the exisiting tartar to magically disappear.) You may not "see" the usefulness of your effort, but you CAN help prevent more soft plaque from forming deeper layers of hardened tartar.

 

Even after a professional dental cleaning, if soft (easily removable) daily plaque is ignored, hardened tartar accumulates to surprisingly measurable amounts within 6 weeks. Daily soft plaque begins to harden into tartar within 36 hours. That's why a quick, gentle daily brushing is best. I was taught (by a veterinary dental specialist) to brush each section 10-12 times. I wholeheartedly agree that seconds of daily home dental care is worth it's weight in gold vs. requiring excessive veterinary dental care.

 

Important to remember: The more severe the tartar build-up, the LONGER the hound has to be under anesthesia for cleaning (and/or extractions). Longer anesthesia means greater risk to hound.

 

Our hounds vary re: professional dental needs. One senior has needed a pro dental every 1 to 1.5 years. (He retired later in mid-life, dental health was left unaddressed for years.) Our hound with best dental health can easily last 3+ years between professional dentals. Along with regular gentle tooth brushing, and periodic oral rinse, she is our top Durachew chewer. (She has high anxiety, so chewing Durachews also act as a stress reliever for her.) Our other hounds' dental needs fall between the best and worst case hounds.

 

You could try C.E.T. Oral Hygiene Rinse while your hounds gums are healing from bleeding. Then, a finger brush (with tiny soft rubber bristles) with pet toothpaste (or gauze wrapped around your finger) until the gums are ready for a regular dog toothbrush (with softened bristles under hot water).

 

To answer your good question re: Hydrogen Peroxide:

My understanding is Hydrogen Peroxide destroys healthy cells. This is one reason it is not recommended (by many in the medical profession) for use on cuts/wounds. It impedes healing, and creates capillary embolism. Hydrogen Peroxide is too harsh on dog's mucous membranes and should not be swallowed. (Exception is a rare veterinary emergency, if vet directed to induce vomiting for something more toxic and harmful to dog that is "soft" enough to not do esophageal damage if soft item is vomited back up.) Even under emergency veterinary care, Hydrogen Peroxide can flow into lungs and cause aspirate problems, other serious medical problems; internal stomach ulcers, etc. HP is an oxidizing agent (and acid). Hydrogen Peroxide (obviously in varying strengths) is used as an industrial chemical in municipal sewer systems, even in nuclear reactors to eliminate corrosive products.

[Houndtime]

 

(Glad someone suggested you stop using Hydrogen Peroxide.)

The only thing I know of that safely removes tartar/calculus (besides safe bones) is a professional cleaning. As we know, once tartar begins building up, bacteria begins adhering to the tartar on the teeth and creeps deeply underneath the gum into the root area, and moving into the blood stream to organs.

 

Helps to feed kibble (wet down with water immediately before serving is good to prevent choking). In contrast, feeding soft canned food is terrible on teeth. Canned food coats teeth and stays on teeth creating problems. Any canned food should be brushed off teeth soon after meals.

 

Finally, if your Nylabone is a true "flavor" (chicken, bacon, or liver) don't give up on it forever. She may develop an interest in months/years to come. Try frequently smearing peanut butter on the Nylabone to entice interest. (Our hounds like flatter shapes more than giant round shapes. Flatter is easier to hold and chew). Hard Durachews for dogs over 50 pounds are safest for Greyhounds and are GREAT for keeping dentals to a minimum. That said, some dogs are simply not big chewers.

 

Good luck...

 

Thank you. Your post was very informative. Gracie eats only hard kibble with a dollop of plain nonfat yogurt on it. (Does wonders for her tummy.) How often do you suggest a pro dental cleaning?

 

My only worry about a cleaning is my girl had a pro dental 2 days before we brought her home and I began brushing within the first week yet the bloody gums were present even then. Also I'm not thrilled with our current vet and would not feel comfortable entrusting Gracie to their care for a procedure involving anesthesia. I've asked my adoption group to recommend a Grey savvy vet in my area and I'm still waiting for a response.

 

Just out of curiosity, why is Hydrogen Peroxide a bad choice? I haven't used it in a long time. Just wondering.

I will try the peanut butter on the bone and perhaps using a rinse in addition to the brushing will help.

 

I know this is a really long shot, but if anyone knows of a Grey savvy vet in Monmouth County, NJ I'd greatly appreciate a recommendation.

 

Thanks again!

 

Not exactly Monmouth County, but Dr. Flanagan on 516 in Old Bridge isn't too far for you. Dr. Flanagan actually has a greyhound. I think they are a little expensive, so, I used to travel to Dr. Newman, at Harligen Veterinary in Belle Mead. GHF of NJ used to use her as their primary vet. In my opinion, worth the trip. Good luck whoever you decide to go with.

[tbhounds]

Plainfield Animal Hospital- Plainfield, NJ-- Dr Scott Linnick- Veterinary Dentist. He's not inexpensive but, he's the best (IMO). He performed a dentistry on one of mine- couldn't be happier. The clinic is well equipped with every tool and toy a dentist could want (digital oral radiographs, state of the art ultrasonic scaler (the IM3)........

He's experienced with greyhounds and treats them like one of his own.

As a matter of fact we are headed over there soon-- my Shannon fractured her carnassial tooth- going to try to save it. I'm from Passiac County-bit of a drive for me but, totally worth it.

Give him a call- your houndie's mouth needs attention.

Keep us posted!!!

Edited May 3, 2012 by tbhounds

[Neighsayer]

I use Briarwood Vet Hospital in Howell on Route 9...on the Freehold border. Dr Menez is great. They have a website... Check it out. I have been using him for fourteen years... Nine dogs, four cats, and two rabbits. Over the last seven years, he has treated five of my greys. I just had Suds there last week. His gums and teeth look like what you just described. We talked about a dental, but Suds is 12, and I worry about putting him under. Doc didn't try to pressure me into it, but he did remind me that if the mouth gets worse there may be a greater length of time needed to work on it. He told me to think it over and call with any questions.

Briarwood is a small, one doc practice. I love all the staff.

[Guest amazing_gracie]

Thanks to everyone for the suggestions and vet recommendations. I really appreciate it. Houndtime, Old Bridge is not too far, I will look into it. Thank you!

 

3greytjoys, I appreciate all of your knowledgable advice. Thank you for the information on Hydrogen Peroxide. I can't believe it was recommended to me by a vet tech! I'm glad someone from my adoption group recommended I stop using it.

 

I'm already seeing less blood during brushing. I took a really good look at her mouth today and I'm happy to say her front teeth look good and most of her side teeth look decent. Her carnassials are where the problem is - they have considerable calculus deposits. So hopefully she won't have to be under for too long.

 

Thanks again to everyone!

[PrairieProf]

A lot of us here swear by PetzLife spray or gel for teeth -- I'm surprised no one's mentioned it yet so I will.

[tbhounds]

Fwiw- this vet tech uses peroxide on occasion. This was endorsed by a few vets. Yes, peroxide will kill bacteria but, will also degrade healthy cells so, like anything else- moderation needs to be used.

Hydrogen peroxide (3%) can be used in humans as a mouth wash--I know yucky right? But, tis true.

Edited cause I totally forgot to mention this. For red, angry gums you might want to try Biotene Veterinary Formula Antiseptic Gel- made for conditions like gingivitis, stomatitis.....just need to wipe the gel on the gum line.

Edited May 3, 2012 by tbhounds

[Guest amazing_gracie]

A lot of us here swear by PetzLife spray or gel for teeth -- I'm surprised no one's mentioned it yet so I will.

 

That's so funny you mention that - I just ordered the Petzlife gel yesterday, to alternate with the enzymatic toothpaste. Thanks!

[3greytjoys]

I agree that Biotene antiseptic gel can work well for gum infections (covers antibacterial, antifungal, antiviral). Directions state to use it twice daily for 5-7 days. (Not for on-going long term use.)

 

I also thought about PetzLife, but didn't recommend it because I was surprised to learn many veterinarians do not recommend it due to questionable safety of ingredients for dogs (i.e., grain alcohol, grape seed extract, etc.). Just something to consider, particularly if using long-term. (My thought was it has to be a VERY strong product if it does what it claims.)

 

 

[Guest amazing_gracie]

I agree that Biotene antiseptic gel can work well for gum infections (covers antibacterial, antifungal, antiviral). Directions state to use it twice daily for 5-7 days. (Not for on-going long term use.)

 

I also thought about PetzLife, but didn't recommend it because I was surprised to learn many veterinarians do not recommend it due to questionable safety of ingredients for dogs (i.e., grain alcohol, grape seed extract, etc.). Just something to consider, particularly if using long-term. (My thought was it has to be a VERY strong product if it does what it claims.)

 

Good to know. I wasn't planning to use it long-term, just until we get the situation under control. Then back to the enzymatic toothpaste for maintenance.

Thanks again for all of your informative advice! I appreciate it!

[PrairieProf]

I agree that Biotene antiseptic gel can work well for gum infections (covers antibacterial, antifungal, antiviral). Directions state to use it twice daily for 5-7 days. (Not for on-going long term use.)

 

I also thought about PetzLife, but didn't recommend it because I was surprised to learn many veterinarians do not recommend it due to questionable safety of ingredients for dogs (i.e., grain alcohol, grape seed extract, etc.). Just something to consider, particularly if using long-term. (My thought was it has to be a VERY strong product if it does what it claims.)

 

Good to know. I wasn't planning to use it long-term, just until we get the situation under control. Then back to the enzymatic toothpaste for maintenance.

Thanks again for all of your informative advice! I appreciate it!

 

There's an older thread that pretty thoroughly debunks those worries. There are many vet testimonials on behalf of Petzlife too. I feel no concern whatsoever about using it regularly. Alternating toothpaste and Petzlife maintains Beth's teeth better than toothpaste-only used to. http://forum.greytalk.com/index.php/topic/258536-petzlife-users/

[Guest amazing_gracie]

 

There's an older thread that pretty thoroughly debunks those worries. There are many vet testimonials on behalf of Petzlife too. I feel no concern whatsoever about using it regularly. Alternating toothpaste and Petzlife maintains Beth's teeth better than toothpaste-only used to. http://forum.greytalk.com/index.php/topic/258536-petzlife-users/

 

I'll keep this in mind as well. I guess each dog (and owner) is different. I'll see how she responds to the Petzlife. It sounds like a great product. Can't wait to try it. I should receive it tomorrow.

I really appreciate all of the feedback and advice! Thank you!

[Guest iconsmum]

Does anyone know what's in Leba111?

[Guest amazing_gracie]

Does anyone know what's in Leba111?

 

INGREDIENTS: Distilled water, Ethyl alcohol 25%, Lamiaceae and Rosaceae in trace elements.

[Guest amazing_gracie]

An update: Gracie's teeth and gums are looking much better! I've been brushing daily (twice a day if possible), using a rinse, and started with the Petzlife. No more bleeding, redness has almost completely disappeared!

 

My adoption group's Spring Picnic is a few weeks away. I'm going to discuss vet options with people there, seeing as there will be Greyhound people from all over the state. Hopefully I can find a vet that is conveniently located. In the meantime, I'm very happy with our results so far. Amazing what daily brushing can do. I did some scaling to her teeth this weekend since there is no more bleeding, and I guess the regular brushing and enzymatic toothpaste/Petzlife is doing it's job. I was able to remove quite a bit of buildup with ease. Gracie was an absolute darling throughout the procedure - I was very proud of her!