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You can walk them as far as you and they want to go. You could jog them or bike ride with them as far as you want as long as you build the distance up a little at a time. The only thing you can't do is run them full speed for 3 miles. They will and have run themselves to death because they don't pace themselves so it is all out all the time.

We don't have "Dun" as a color selection so they are usually called Dark Red. Are her pads also brown?

Didn't the late Linda Jensen have dun littermates? They are almost nonexistent in the U.S. While still very rare there are more in Ireland.

Like Rachel said they exist, but are rare especially here in the U.S. To be dun you must have a brown nose and brown pads. Here is an example. Here is another. Dick

If you want to see races your pup ran in go here and type his name inthe serch box. The first of the bold numbers is the box he is in.

I wouldn't ask to have the thread deleted.

There isn't. That was just someones opinion. I would be shocked if the study shows the connection to osteo started with a dog in the last 20 years. It may be passed through one or more of them because if you look at the 12 generation double ansestors of most dogs you will find dogs like Mixed Harmony, Rural Rube, Larry of Waterhall*, Never Roll and Upsidedown, to name a few, in most of your pups. Some of these dogs are so far back in the pedigree that they appear over 100 times in the pedigree.

With the advent of frozen semen you now have sires with 10 to 15 thousand pups. Therefore, the vast majority of dogs will have Sweet Trey, Dodge, Wag is Dodge's sire so for every Dodge you have Wag along with otheres Wag sired not through Dodge. Commander is the sire of Molotov and Mankato so you have who knows how many pups with Commander in them once you go back 3 or 4 generations. To give you an example, Wag sired 3340 pups that were entered on GD. Of those pups as the damsire or just the female lines he has 5166. One of the pups he sired was Gable Dodge who shows 10,862 pups on GD. Dodge was the damsire of 8823 pups entered on GD. One of those pups was Dodgem By Design. DBD, so far, shows 11,025 pups sired and as a damsire he is already up to 1871. Another Dodge pup was Lonesome Cry. He sired 5750 pups so far. Both DBD and Cry are still in the top 5 for stud dogs. You also have remember that of the 10,000 or so pups some of there dogs have well over 99% of them will never be bred. You will drive yourself crazy trying to figure out where osteo came from. Just enjoy your dogs.

You are right 33 is March of 2003 and a brindle pup is brindle when born so that isn't your pup.

There is no excuse for this. I'm sorry this happened.

The best dog I ever owned broke his toe and had it taken off. He was running AA at Wheeling when he broke it and when he returned he ran AA and never missed a beat. I know of plenty of other dogs and most had the same results. Hope he recovers quickly and is back running in no time.

Lindsay, Why 10 weeks with strict leash walking? Dogs that are racing and have an outside toe taken off are back racing in 6 to 7 weeks and usually it has little or no effect on their career.

The dogs put into the GD database are done by hand and not everyone puts their dogs into the database. Plus, if a dog isn't going to make the track there is no need to spend the money to register him. Every pup is tattooed at about 3 months of age so there could be 6 or more in the litter with only a few getting registered.

Many kennels give raw bones to the dogs every 10 days or so.

Kate D'Arcy and her father Mick own kennels at Derby Lane and Wheeling. Here is a story about one of their racers that was having problems and how accupuncture helped. The video no longer works, but, the story may help.

If you want some of the pictures you posted here to go on GD I or some others that have access to do so, will do that for you. I/we can also add something to the comment section for you if you want. Sometimes people add, Sophie was adopted on XXXX and is now living in her forever home with XXXX XXXX, but, you can add anything you want. Dick

Hi Amy, You can see Gutter Guy's races from Daytona. Go to his GD page and look at the dates he ran. As you look across the top you will see where it says "Trap." That is the box he is in. If you look a little more to the right it will say "Fin" which is where he finished in the race. Now click on the date. As you read across the top you will see, on his Aug 17th race, Daytona Beach 17 Aug 2011 HT E2. The E2 means evening card race 2. So you have the date, take note of the box he is in and evening card race 2. Now go here and by clicking PREV you can go back to the month and year he ran. Now click on the day he ran. Then click "All" and designate evening or matinee, on the GD page it will br A for afternoon, click the day of the month he ran and watch the race. Remember what box he is in. Dick

Depending how bad the sickness is ginger snap cookies or anything ginger might work. Ginger naturally settles the stomach.

You will drive yourself crazy with this. Just sit back, relax and enjoy your pups.

Part of the long process of research is searching not just for markers in dogs but also for crossovers into human medicine. The research is actually looking into human disease, mapping dogs first because it's easier (fewer variables I think) & then trying to link back to humans. In the case of osteo, children. This is exactly what is going on between OSU's Greyhound Health and Wellness Program and Nationwide Children's Hospital in Columbus. Greyhound osteo is apparently remarkably similar to childhood osteo. So OSU is collecting samples from osteo greys AND healthy greys. The combined team is working on mapping genomes to look for possible genetic markers indicating a predisposition to osteo. I believe the (very) long term goal would be not just identifying greyhounds and children who are at greater risk, but working on gene-based treatments and/or preventatives. Of course this is a very long way off. In addition to this work, Dr. Shelley Lake is collecting statistics on greyhounds and cancer. She wants to know about any greyhound who has developed cancer, the lineage of the greyhound (provide the racing name and she looks up the lineage), and the type and location of the cancer. She is still in the early stages. She is active in Circle of Grey but also is a member here. Unfortunately, I don't remember her screen name. I'm sure she would love to hear from any of you who have lost a grey to any type of cancer. I hesitate to even repeat this, because it is such early stages in her research: She did say that it appears that the HB's Commander line seems to have more osteo than others. I caution you though that this is early in the statistics and I don't think she has factored all factors into the research. Not that it is statistically significant but HB's Commander is my Joe's (15 month osteo survivor) great grandsire. HB's Commander was quite prolific and sired 3035 pups. He died at age 8 of an aneurism. His son Molotov (Joe's grandfather) sired 7722 pups. Molotov's son, Craigie Whistler, sired 5428 pups -- one of them is my Joe. So from just one line of one of HB's Commanders 3035 progeny, there have been over 13000 puppies. MIndboggling! If I can find info on contacting Dr. Lake I will post it here. Jane Edited to add: Dr. Lake's greytalk name is handpicked. She asks that you go to her profile and click on the send email to handpicked link. In the email, include the above requested info. Not sure if this will work, but I will try to put a link to her profile page here: My link And this might work. If so, here is a link to send her an email: Dr. Lake email Well you have just sent everyone scrambling. There will be way over 100,000 dogs with Commander in their pedigree and I am probably on the low side with my guess. So osteo has just become prevalent in greyhounds in the last 20 years?

For every pedigree that has Onie Jones, or any of the other Jones dogs from that great litter, there is Hoefer, the sire, and Elsie Jones, the dam. So my question to the person that came to this conclusion, and I know you weren't the one to place the blame on Onie Jones, would be how did you eliminate the sire and dam of Onie Jones and come to the conclusion it was Onie? Dick

Something will always take your dog and something will always be number one on the list. I'm offended that you think I am uncaring. NOTHING could be further from the truth. Dick

Amen to that.

Vet

Take the toe off and this all goes away in a few weeks. I can't believe the splint. That is crazy in my opinion.