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  1. As many of you know Dennis' screen name is Rockingship. Dennis' mentor had Rocking Ship* in his kennel and he was one of the best dogs to ever step foot on a track. He was so good that he almost beat Downing out for "Dog of the Decade". Rocking Ship* had one strange quirk and that was he would lay down waiting for post time.
  2. You may find this article that Dennis McKeon wrote interesting. http://www.greyhoundinfo.org/?page_id=930 You may not know Dennis, but many on here do. He was a trainer many years ago, but his real passion was studying and learning what makes greyhounds tick. Dick
  3. It isn't that Pilot and Fleece were mated. The sire line of Sucker Punch, meaning from Where's Pedro back traces back to Pilot and the dam line from Osti's Delight traces back to Fleece.
  4. I agree and they are what make you stand up and cheer. To me they are also highly intelligent because whatever line they would prefer to run they can't. There are always dogs in front of them and they have to decide on the fly whether to go inside, outside or between other dogs.
  5. I saw all of Downing's races at Wonderland and there were always stories that many times Downing has dirt and grease on his left-side from rubbing the rail in the turns. One day I asked Dennis if this was true. Dennis told me that the stories were true and that Downing never chased the lure He chases the wheel on the rail not the pole or the lure. There was a hot shot dog at Black Hills SD named GP's Sara. She was queen of that track winning all kind of stake races there. Black Hills wasn't a very good track, but for some reason the owner of Sara decided to challenge Downing to a match race. Challenge accepted and Downing was off to a track he had never put a paw on. Downing destroyed Sara winning by 11 lengths, setting the track record and leaving. Since BH's only ran a few more years and no one ever beat Downing's TR, Downing will hold the TR forever. Malka was the best closer I ever saw live. She was the little girl that could. She had no early speed and often times she was a few lengths behind the 7th place dog at they hit the wire the first time. If she was going to fire it was always on the backstretch somewhere around the tote. If you didn't bet her the words you didn't want to hear was "there goes Malka." If you did bet her you was watching her at the back of the pack and might have been the person that said "there goes Malka." Once she fired it was one furious run from the tote to the wire and beyond. She was like a runaway train except she was going inside and outside of dogs and if there was a hole between two dogs she would split them. She was fearless. The only thing in question once she fired was whether she would catch the leaders before or after the wire. There have been a lot of great closers over the years, but Malka could and would do it on the grandest stages of all. She could do it in stake races and who was in front of her didn't matter.
  6. No one writes about greyhounds better than Dennis McKeon and this was his eloquent article about the great Downing. Downing is in the pedigree of many of your dogs. "Don Cuddy always said that Downing was the fastest 550 yard dog he ever saw, and he saw a lot of them. There were a select group of greyhounds of whom he always spoke reverentially....Downing was one of them. Downing was called "Handyman" because he was always by Jim Frey's side as a youngster--always "handy". As a racer, he was intolerant of other greyhounds, except for Chito, who, for some reason, he liked. Chito himself was a good grade A at Revere at the time. And he was Downing's turnout partner during the time Downing campaigned in New England. I remember one day after the morning's festivities were nearly over, there was a telephone call to the kennel. I could hear Don's voice faintly from the kitchen....."....oh Jay-sus.....when did it happen?"....I heard some homilies and some condolences, he said goodbye and hung up. ".......well, he's gone". I could see in his eyes that Don himself was now somewhere else, in his own mind.....watching a long red brindle blur accelerate into the first turn as if he alone were not subject to the burdens of gravity, and unfazed by the shackles of his own flesh...Downing's only real competition, if the truth be known, was his own mortality. These are my personal recollections of Downing's Amercian Derby win..... And guys...I remember Downing's American Derby .....he was a prohibitive favorite....after making the switch to the other side, he had literally run away and hid from the best dogs that the country's elite kennels might offer up as competition---or as sacrifice----it hadn't really mattered.......... He was a sharp breaker, and an astonishing turn runner-----and though nearly 80 lbs, and as long as the Kansas horizon is wide----he could literally run "under the rails"....and accelerate into, through and off the turns----and if, by some stroke of serendipity, you found yourself ahead of him, on the rail and in his way----he would put you over the rail to take his line. So the ONLY way he could lose, was if he broke down, or if he missed his break.....and you know what?...... he missed his break----missed it by a mile....and he came out with his nose in the dirt, stumbling---nearly falling----and the entire field easily out-trapped the fast-trapper. There was a collective gasp from the incredulous crowd. Luckily, the 2 lane had not quite closed up on him. Gifted athlete that he was---in the blink of an eye---he somehow, miraculously, managed to right himself----and exploded through the hole which had remained open to him. He had seized the lead before they even hit the turn, and drew off to a commanding advantage as he poured it on---like a soundwave.... through the stretch, around the curtain turn, and past the toteboard-----his speed was enthralling, unlike anything I had ever witnessed----it thumped right through your chest, and took your breath away... like the music of a runaway locmotive......yet due to his early miscalculations and exertions, he was pretty much spent at the top of the lane....all alone.......and all done..... He had lost his action, and his stride was shortening with each diminutive leap forward...and at precisely that most desperate of moments----that sobering, split-second before the shattering of every illusion---- the great stayer---Malka---had begun to uncork her prodigious run.....which was as deep as the Pacific...and at once, as powerful and unfathomable. The insurmountable lead was shrinking fast now, to about 6 lengths entering the final straight---- and Malka appeared to have caught the jetstream itself, as she zeroed in on him----with Downing laboring mightily, just to keep a straight line----the deafening roar of the 12,000 or so spectators, who had come to see a legend ...in his own and their own time... lent an air of unreality to the whole, desperate spectacle... And time itself had become glacial, as it passed...as they played out that age-old struggle.....and... with the one, impossible, outrageous, colossal surge ---Downing lunged for the wire....the ghosts of Real Huntsman, Oklahoman and On the Line were awakened from their eternal reveries by the sheer genius of it.....to rightly bear witness to this galvanizing moment, for once and for all time ... as Malka, a burgeoning, bursting tidal wave now ----bore down on him, cresting, from mid-track to his flank.... closer and closer she rolled..... That he managed, somehow, to hold on---by a dissipating 3/4 of a length or so---was the true measure of his faultless courage and his supernatural greatness....Malka was past him a couple of jumps after the wire, and clear by 3 as they ran up to the curtain. It was the only moment in his life---the very instant when he had actually grasped his immortality----- that he had ever appeared to be mortal ."
  7. The algae is in Massachusetts, too. Seems to be in a few ponds or lakes south and west of Boston right now.
  8. If you post a couple of pictures on this thread https://forum.greytalk.com/topic/324431-greyhound-data/page/3/#comments I can add your pictures if you want. Dick
  9. Though she did run in E I would call her a D dog. She ran at lower end tracks because those were the tracks she was capable of running at. If they sent her to a better track with better racers she probably would have not been competitive and graded off. At that point they either would have retired her or sent her to the tracks she ran at. Greyhounds have the highest adoption rate of any dog so you would be hard pressed to find greyhounds that aren't either adopted or sent back to the farm for breeding. No video of Kahn that I know of. There is video of FGF Baby Blue. If you go here http://www.trackinfo.com/dog-search.jsp?keyword=FGF+Baby+Blue&x=4&y=2&by=dogname and look at the bold numbers. The top race the first bold number is a 1 so that is the box she in. The last bold number is her time, but you want to look at the numbers before the time and in this case it's 3 7. That means she finished 3rd and was 7 lengths behind the winner. There are 5 pages of races as you can see by the numbers above the lines. Same with WW Selena Shot. http://www.trackinfo.com/dog-search.jsp?keyword=ww+selena+shot&x=0&y=0&by=dogname Dick
  10. Cheryl, Does the G-D page you trace back to Niger say Wilby as the 1st generation sire or it says Niger? Interesting if it says Niger.
  11. I'm not really an expert like Dennis McKeon and Martin Roper so what I know I learned from them This is Kiowa Sweet Trey's G-D page. http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?d=kiowa+sweet+trey&sex=&color=&birthyear=&birthland= If you scroll down you will see this. In the vast Majority of greyhounds you will see the dog traces back to the sire Pilot. I would guess 85 percent or do. The ones that don't will trace back to Wilby. If you go to G-D and type your dogs name in you will see either of those two names. If you click on View X gen sire line you will see every sire in your dogs pedigree. The dam line I was a little confused on as I remembered Dennis and Martin saying there are 46 distinct dam lines and I started a thread a few months ago trying to find those dams. What I had wrong was there are 46 distinct U.S. dam lines so on the thread I started we got over 50 different dams. So those dam lines go all the way back to English, Irish or Australian dam lines and the 46 U.S. dams are buried within those more than 50 dams that people listed.
  12. Rooftop Kahn ran 104 races between Lincoln, Raynham, Mardi Gras and Sarasota with the majority of those races at Raynham and Lincoln both very good tracks. He had good early speed and needed it becap at the turn to have a chance to win. He won 11 races so most of the time when he got to the top he won or got picked up in the stretch and was second. He was a good B/C dog. FGF Baby Blue ran 51 races between Sarasota, Pensacola and Ebro. She had very little early speed often being 6th, 7th or 8th out of the box and not being much better at the turn maybe getting to 4th. If she was going to run it would be from going down the backstretch to the finish line. Her record was 4-8-6-14 so while she only had 4 wins she was 4th fourteen times so she could close a little to get in the money, but not enough to win most times. WW Selena Shot ran 94 races all at Daytona. She had decent early speed, but if she was going to run it would be from the backstretch to the wire. If she was 4th as they entered the stretch she had a chance to win. She was in the money 49 of her 94 races with 15 wins. She was a nice A/B dog. The Rooftop dogs were all bred and owned by James Potter, though he sold some at the NGA auction every six months. In 2003 Mr. Potter sold Rooftop Gizmo for a record, at the time, $70,000. I'm not sure about the FGF prefix I'm not sure about, but Kevin Fulton is the owner of these dogs so I'm sure one of the F's is his initial. The WW prefix is an iconic prefix. It stands for Wayne Ward who was one of the big names in the industry. Wayne died a few years ago and his daughter Julia took over the operation. Julia is the president of the NGA. There are just over 100 FGF dogs. There are just under 800 Rooftop dogs. There are almost 2500 WW's dogs and there could be another 1000 with just WW. FYI: Gable Dodge wasn't just a great racer, he was also a great sire with 11,241 offspring. Dick
  13. He did run 102, but only two after he came back from the one month break in his lines. He was a really good racer with a lot of early speed and once he got out he was hard to catch.
  14. Hi Irene, Bumped and collided in this case probably means the same thing. The chartwriter doesn't usually put bumped and bumped if a dog was bumped and then bumped into another dog. I just looked at Ottawa's lines to see if there was any break in his lines. there were two breaks, but he only missed one start so whatever the reason for him missing the starts it doesn't sound serious. My guess is whatever kept him out the first start is what kept him out the second because he missed a start, ran and won the race and then missed another start. Cheryl can probably tell you better than I can, but every dog the day after a race is gone over from head to toe. The trainer is making sure there are no apparent injuries. This is just a precaution since the dog can't say my back leg is a little sore and is walking fine. If you look at Nov. 17, 2018 you can see there is a little gap in the dates, he runs and wins and another little gap in the dates. The last break in his lines is on June 7th and he doesn't run a graded race again for a month. I knew he had to officially school to run again so I checked trackinfo since they show schooling race lines and he officially schooled on June 23 and June 30th. To officially school on the 23rd the trained would have morning schooled him once or twice before the 23rd. So he was not running for maybe two weeks not a month. He only ran two races and was retired. Nothing bad from those two races that stands out. Career ending injuries are something people think of as being a catastrophic injury when in many cases it is a minor injury and the age of the dog that really makes a trainer say it is time. If a dog break a toe at two years old the dog is usually back racing in seven or eight weeks. If a dog breaks a toe at 3 or 3 1/2 the trainer or owner may retire that dog instead of bringing him back to race. I would ask the adoption group if they know what the injury was just so you know, but from the dogs lines I see nothing bad. Dick
  15. Hi Ellen, Done and up to three pictures can be put on Buddy's page so if you have mobe in the future let me know and I will be happy to post them. http://www.greyhound-data.com/db.php?i=1852239&time=1564006982 Dick
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