Guest DundeeToddsMom Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Does anyone know of another food that would be good to feed in place of Science Diet K/D. My baby's kidney values have always been a little high and now she won't eat this anymore. The vet recommended Proplan or Eukanuba - both a prescription. Thank you in advance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ss556 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 I don't know - we use Hills Prescription K/D kibble. I'd like to see what people can chime in about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kick Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 (edited) Does anyone know of another food that would be good to feed in place of Science Diet K/D. My baby's kidney values have always been a little high and now she won't eat this anymore. The vet recommended Proplan or Eukanuba - both a prescription. Thank you in advance! http://dogaware.com/kidney.html#phosphate - incase you haven't read this article - looks like you can augment the food with several low phosphors items Edited December 17, 2008 by kick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmom Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Well, the K/D is technically a prescription, too. The other brands might have a different flavor/scent that might be more appealing to her. I've only ever used K/D. You could also PM patricia -- I'm pretty sure she has some vet-approved homecooked recipes for restricted-diet kidney dogs. Quote Star aka Starz Ovation (Ronco x Oneco Maggie*, litter #48538), Coco aka Low Key (Kiowa Mon Manny x Party Hardy, litter # 59881), and mom in IllinoisWe miss Reko Batman (Trouper Zeke x Marque Louisiana), 11/15/95-6/29/06, Rocco the thistledown whippet, 04/29/93-10/14/08, Reko Zema (Mo Kick x Reko Princess), 8/16/98-4/18/10, the most beautiful girl in the whole USA, my good egg Joseph aka Won by a Nose (Oneco Cufflink x Buy Back), 09/22/2003-03/01/2013, and our gentle sweet Gidget (Digitizer, Dodgem by Design x Sobe Mulberry), 1/29/2006-11/22/2014, gone much too soon. Never forgetting CJC's Buckshot, 1/2/07-10/25/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaGreys Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 (edited) Misty does really well on the KD canned. I've never used the other script diets but know people who have and they swear by them. A friend has his Grey on the Purina rx and his girl does great on it. If you still have the KD, what you might want to try is mixing yogurt with it. That's worked for me before Edited December 17, 2008 by cbudshome Quote Missing my little Misty who took a huge piece of my heart with her on 5/2/09, and Ekko, on 6/28/12 For the sick, the lost, and the homeless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangos_mom Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 When Mango started turning her nose up at the k/D, I tried putting a little warm water on it to make "gravy" and she started gobbling it up. I had tried Purina's kidney diet, but she didn't like it any better, and it gave her pudding poop, so I went bact to the Science Diet. Quote Kate, with Nedra and HollyMissing Greyhound Angels Mango, Takoda, Ruger, Delta, and Shiloh, kitty Angel Hoot, cat-tester extraordinaire, and Rocky, the stray cat who came to stay for a little while and then moved on.Greyhounds Unlimited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Greensleeves Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Nelly found prescription NF from Purina *slightly* more palatable, and our vets also recommended we try Hills G/D (the geriatric diet, which is nutritionally similar to K/D)... but if she's turning her nose up at her food, you might want to get her checked out, as loss of appetite can be a symptom of kidney disease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaGreys Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Nelly found prescription NF from Purina *slightly* more palatable, and our vets also recommended we try Hills G/D (the geriatric diet, which is nutritionally similar to K/D)... but if she's turning her nose up at her food, you might want to get her checked out, as loss of appetite can be a symptom of kidney disease. I've heard this several times now about them prefering the Purina to the Hills. Quote Missing my little Misty who took a huge piece of my heart with her on 5/2/09, and Ekko, on 6/28/12 For the sick, the lost, and the homeless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest greytbookert Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 When Mama Ro was diagnosed with kidney failure, we used Purina's NF as well as the low phosophorous diet that I found here: http://vetprof.com/clientinfo/KidneyDiseaseInDogs/diet.htm When we switched her to this food, her values improved a bit and then leveled out. She obviously wasn't cured but we were able to maintain the kidneys for a while. Keep in mind though that Mama was 14 years old. How old is your baby? Here is the recipe... This is a recipe for a homemade restricted-protein diet, similar to Hill's k/d in nutritional value and effect on compromised kidney function (the recipe comes from a sheet of such that Hill's provides for vets to give to their clients. Canine Restricted Protein Diet 1/4 lb. ground beef (*do not* use lean round chuck) 2 cups cooked white rice (without salt) 1 hard-cooked egg, finely chopped 3 slices white bread, crumbled 1 teaspoon (5 grams) calcium carbonate* (*--Calcium carbonate sources: Ground egg shells; Drug and Health food stores.) Also add a balanced supplement which fulfills the canine MDR for all vitamins and trace minerals. Cook beef in skillet, stirring until lightly browned. Stir in remaining ingredients and mix well. This mixture is somewhat dry and its palatability can be improved by adding a little water (not milk). Keep covered in refrigerator. Yield 1-1/4 lbs. Analysis As Fed Protein.........................................6.9% Fat..............................................5.5% Carbohydrate...............................21.1% Moisture......................................65.5% **Metabolizable energy..............750 Kcal/lb. (**This diet supplies 17% protein calories, 30% fat calories and 53% carbohydrate calories.) Feeding Guide: Feed sufficient amount to maintain normal body weight. Body Weight Approximate Daily Feeding 5 lbs. .................................................1/4 lb. 10 lbs. .................................................1/2 lb. 20 lbs. ................................................. 1 lb. 40 lbs. ...................................................1-1/2 lbs. 60 lbs. ....................................................2 lbs. 80 lbs. ..................................................2 -1/2 lbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rascalsmom Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Well, Daisy is a cat, not a dog, but she seems to love her Purina NF kidney food (the canned)..... Quote Phoebe (Belle's Sweetpea) adopted 9/2/13. Jack (BTR Captain Jack) 9/28/05--11/2/12Always missing Buddy, Ruby, and Rascal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burpdog Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 What do you mean by "high"? Many vets misdiagnose greyhounds as having kidney disease when they do not. That stuff smells like bunny farts. I wouldn't have it in the house! Any senior food will do Quote Diane & The Senior Gang Burpdog Biscuits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaGreys Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 What do you mean by "high"? Many vets misdiagnose greyhounds as having kidney disease when they do not. That stuff smells like bunny farts. I wouldn't have it in the house! Any senior food will do Okay, you made me go smell the can.I never noticed that it stinks but the texture drives me nuts. But then I have to admit, it's what has kept Misty's kidneys in good working order so to speak. Quote Missing my little Misty who took a huge piece of my heart with her on 5/2/09, and Ekko, on 6/28/12 For the sick, the lost, and the homeless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burpdog Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 SD k/d has either BHA or BHT in it's kibble. How does that make sense? A kidney food with preservatives? IVD smells like dog food and doesn't have those perservatives There's really a division among new and old about restricting protein. New says you don't have to. It's more the phosphorus (if I remember right) Quote Diane & The Senior Gang Burpdog Biscuits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmom Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 It is partly phos, partly protein. The thing with protein restriction is, early stage disease it may not be desirable, later stage disease it's essential. In early stage, better *quality* protein can be a help to the dog in terms of feeling well. In later stage, their kidneys can't clear the waste products from protein; if they're eating too much of it, pretty soon they feel like crap and then they die. Good question tho about the levels. If the dog doesn't have detectable kidney disease, feeding low protein is not a good idea. High protein doesn't wear out healthy kidneys or cause the dog to develop disease. Quote Star aka Starz Ovation (Ronco x Oneco Maggie*, litter #48538), Coco aka Low Key (Kiowa Mon Manny x Party Hardy, litter # 59881), and mom in IllinoisWe miss Reko Batman (Trouper Zeke x Marque Louisiana), 11/15/95-6/29/06, Rocco the thistledown whippet, 04/29/93-10/14/08, Reko Zema (Mo Kick x Reko Princess), 8/16/98-4/18/10, the most beautiful girl in the whole USA, my good egg Joseph aka Won by a Nose (Oneco Cufflink x Buy Back), 09/22/2003-03/01/2013, and our gentle sweet Gidget (Digitizer, Dodgem by Design x Sobe Mulberry), 1/29/2006-11/22/2014, gone much too soon. Never forgetting CJC's Buckshot, 1/2/07-10/25/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kick Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 SD k/d has either BHA or BHT in it's kibble. How does that make sense? A kidney food with preservatives? IVD smells like dog food and doesn't have those perservatives There's really a division among new and old about restricting protein. New says you don't have to. It's more the phosphorus (if I remember right) please, what is IVD It is partly phos, partly protein. The thing with protein restriction is, early stage disease it may not be desirable, later stage disease it's essential. In early stage, better *quality* protein can be a help to the dog in terms of feeling well. In later stage, their kidneys can't clear the waste products from protein; if they're eating too much of it, pretty soon they feel like crap and then they die. Good question tho about the levels. If the dog doesn't have detectable kidney disease, feeding low protein is not a good idea. High protein doesn't wear out healthy kidneys or cause the dog to develop disease. would you define "better quality protien" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundlov Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Gidge won't eat any of them. She also hates the Natural Yeast. So she is eating boiled chick and turkey breast. Quote Mary in Houston Everyone has a photographic memory, but not everyone has film. LAND OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmom Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 IVD is "Innovative Veterinary Diet" -- another brand of prescription food. Owned by Royal Canin, maybe? I forget. "better quality protein" = higher biological value = easier for the dog to make use of. I believe eggs are the best. Then meat. Quote Star aka Starz Ovation (Ronco x Oneco Maggie*, litter #48538), Coco aka Low Key (Kiowa Mon Manny x Party Hardy, litter # 59881), and mom in IllinoisWe miss Reko Batman (Trouper Zeke x Marque Louisiana), 11/15/95-6/29/06, Rocco the thistledown whippet, 04/29/93-10/14/08, Reko Zema (Mo Kick x Reko Princess), 8/16/98-4/18/10, the most beautiful girl in the whole USA, my good egg Joseph aka Won by a Nose (Oneco Cufflink x Buy Back), 09/22/2003-03/01/2013, and our gentle sweet Gidget (Digitizer, Dodgem by Design x Sobe Mulberry), 1/29/2006-11/22/2014, gone much too soon. Never forgetting CJC's Buckshot, 1/2/07-10/25/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest suzye Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 (edited) Royal Canin makes something called "Modified" that can be used for kidney disease. I fed that to Jazz for about 6 weeks. Royal Canin has another blend with even less phosphorus, but I forget what it's called. Eggs are the best meat for kidney dogs. They have the most protein/least phosphorus of any meat. If you can remove a lot of the yolk from the egg serving, it's better. Most of the phosphorus is in the yolk. For most forms of kidney disease, newer research suggests that protein is not the enemy, but phosphorus is. IMO feeding the RX kidney diets exclusively will make an anemic dog. Home cooked is the best, but I know how hard that is. Edited December 17, 2008 by suzye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhndz Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 Since the ingredients in k/d (and most of the other Hills Rx diets) were less than desirable, I decided to home cook for iggy Lexi. I used this: Donald Strombeck. I also received a dietician-created diet which allowed for very precise measurements of phosphorus, protein, sodium, etc. Egg and cottage cheese are, I was told, the most bioavailable proteins, with, as was mentioned, the egg white being preferred as it has little phosphorus. But Lexi turned her nose up at every recipe I tried, and when I finally gave in and fed her the k/d, she wouldn't touch either the kibble or canned. Because she's 12, I decided that quality of life is more important than quantity. Normally, Lexi eats anything, so for her to turn down something edible, it must be pretty foul. My vet and I decided that having Lexi continue to eat was the priority, so I returned her to a normal diet. And interestingly, her kidney function stabilized and her urine protein creatinine ratio dropped significantly. She's also on benazepril. I don't advocate this for any other dogs - it was a decision made by my vet and myself and based upon Lexi's own personal needs. Here are some other sample diets. The first few are from Strombeck's book: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest suzye Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 Glutinous rice (mochi gome), as depicted here, is extremely low phosphorus. It's sticky and not the tastiest so I always had to mix it up with something much better. THis was a staple of Jazz's home-cooked diet. You can make meat loaf with the rice and lean ground beef and throw in a lot of egg whites for more extra protein with little phosphorus. I finally found this rice in an Asian market near my house. It's round and opaque. http://www.asianfoodgrocer.com/index.asp?P...amp;ProdID=6285 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kick Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 IVD is "Innovative Veterinary Diet" -- another brand of prescription food. Owned by Royal Canin, maybe? I forget. "better quality protein" = higher biological value = easier for the dog to make use of. I believe eggs are the best. Then meat. thank you, is the egg white added raw or cooked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmom Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Eggs: I prefer to cook them, others prefer to feed raw. If dog is immune-compromised, I'd certainly cook them. As long as you don't cook them till they're hard as rocks, doesn't matter nutritionally. Quote Star aka Starz Ovation (Ronco x Oneco Maggie*, litter #48538), Coco aka Low Key (Kiowa Mon Manny x Party Hardy, litter # 59881), and mom in IllinoisWe miss Reko Batman (Trouper Zeke x Marque Louisiana), 11/15/95-6/29/06, Rocco the thistledown whippet, 04/29/93-10/14/08, Reko Zema (Mo Kick x Reko Princess), 8/16/98-4/18/10, the most beautiful girl in the whole USA, my good egg Joseph aka Won by a Nose (Oneco Cufflink x Buy Back), 09/22/2003-03/01/2013, and our gentle sweet Gidget (Digitizer, Dodgem by Design x Sobe Mulberry), 1/29/2006-11/22/2014, gone much too soon. Never forgetting CJC's Buckshot, 1/2/07-10/25/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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