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    How Your Dog Ran At The Track

    in Everything else Greyhound

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    1 hour ago, greytblessings said:

    So I'm gathering that FGF Baby Blue was not a good racer? :) Perhaps destined to be a beloved companion instead of a fearsome competitor? Was she an E dog? Is it a miracle that she made it out or is that common for that poor of a racer?? From the stats I saw on TrackInfo, she was not a dog to put money on...

    Do you know if there are any videos of Kahn? Or is that too far back for the replays?

    Thank you so much for all of this information. You are a spectacular resource and a very kind individual to offer this service!

    Best,

    Courtney

    Though she did run in E I would call her a D dog.  She ran at lower end tracks because those were the tracks she was capable of running at. If they sent her to a better track with better racers she probably would have not been competitive and graded off.  At that point they either would have retired her or sent her to the tracks she ran at.

    Greyhounds have the highest adoption rate of any dog so you would be hard pressed to find greyhounds that aren't either adopted or sent back to the farm for breeding.

    No video of Kahn that I know of. There is video of FGF Baby Blue. If you go here

    http://www.trackinfo.com/dog-search.jsp?keyword=FGF+Baby+Blue&x=4&y=2&by=dogname

    and look at the bold numbers. The top race the first bold number is a 1 so that is the box she in. The last bold number is her time, but you want to look at the numbers before the time and in this case it's 3 7.  That means she finished 3rd and was 7 lengths behind the winner.  There are 5 pages of races as you can see by the numbers above the lines.

    Same with WW Selena Shot.

    http://www.trackinfo.com/dog-search.jsp?keyword=ww+selena+shot&x=0&y=0&by=dogname

    Dick

     

     

    Greyhound ancestry

    in Everything else Greyhound

    Posted

    27 minutes ago, Cheryl2 said:

    I've looked at 3 of mine so far, one goes back to Niger in 178?, one back to Smoker in the 1790s and one to Tiger in the 1780s.   Been a long time since i traced all their lines all the way back, so I just followed one line on each of those three.  One of them also goes back to this dog, which I think is hilarious.

    Mr Pickering's Yellow Bitch  178?,    
                                                      		 

    Cheryl,

    Does the G-D page you trace back to Niger say Wilby as the 1st generation sire or it says Niger?  Interesting if it says Niger.

    Greyhound ancestry

    in Everything else Greyhound

    Posted

    I'm not really an expert like Dennis McKeon and Martin Roper so what I know I learned from them

    This is Kiowa Sweet Trey's G-D page.

    http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?d=kiowa+sweet+trey&sex=&color=&birthyear=&birthland=

    If you scroll down you will see this.

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    In the vast Majority of greyhounds you will see the dog traces back to the sire Pilot. I would guess 85 percent or do.  The ones that don't will trace back to Wilby. If you go to G-D and type your dogs name in you will see either of those two names.  If you click on View X gen sire line you will see every sire in your dogs pedigree.

    The dam line I was a little confused on as I remembered Dennis and Martin saying there are 46 distinct dam lines and I started a thread a few months ago trying to find those dams. What I had wrong was there are 46 distinct U.S. dam lines so on the thread I started we got over 50 different dams. So those dam lines go all the way back to English, Irish or Australian dam lines and the 46 U.S. dams are buried within those more than 50 dams that people listed.

    How Your Dog Ran At The Track

    in Everything else Greyhound

    Posted · Edited by dmdsmoxie

    14 hours ago, greytblessings said:

    Hello!

    I would love if you could tell me about my first racer...his race name was Rooftop Kahn, male, born 2/1/2006, ears were 26H and 36341. He just passed away in July. I saw some of his race stats years ago, but I couldn't find any video footage of his races...maybe there are none going back that far. Where did he race and how did he do? I would love to honor his memory by submitting a picture and bereavement message on greyhound-data.com, but whenever I try to create an account, it just redirects me to the main page.

    I am adopting another racer, just recently brought up from Florida...race name FGF Baby Blue, female, born 12/18/2015, ears are 125B and 67845. Her great grandfather was Kahn's father (Gable Dodge).

    If it's not too much trouble, I also would love to know any info you can find on WW Selena Shot, female, born 1/20/2015, ears 15D and 65740.

    As an aside, do you know why so many greyhound litters have those prefixes like rooftop, fgf and ww? Is that an owner or trainer preference? I've always wondered that.

    Thank you so much for offering this service. It means so much to know the history of these greyhounds.

    All the best to you.

     Rooftop Kahn ran 104 races between Lincoln, Raynham, Mardi Gras and Sarasota with the majority of those races at Raynham and Lincoln both very good tracks. He had good early speed and needed it becap at the turn to have a chance to win.  He won 11 races so most of the time when he got to the top he won or got picked up in the stretch and was second.

    He was a good B/C dog.

     FGF Baby Blue ran 51 races between  Sarasota, Pensacola and Ebro.  She had very little early speed often being 6th, 7th or 8th out of the box and not being much better at the turn maybe getting to 4th.  If she was going to run it would be from going down the backstretch to the finish line.

    Her record was 4-8-6-14 so while she only had 4 wins she was 4th fourteen times so she could close a little to get in the money, but not enough to win most times.

    WW Selena Shot ran 94 races all at Daytona. She had decent early speed, but if she was going to run it would be from the backstretch to the wire. If she was 4th as they entered the stretch she had a chance to win.  She was in the money 49 of her 94 races with 15 wins.

    She was a nice A/B dog.

    The Rooftop dogs were all bred and owned by James Potter, though he sold some at the NGA auction every six months. In 2003 Mr. Potter sold Rooftop Gizmo for a record, at the time, $70,000.

    I'm not sure about the FGF  prefix I'm not sure about, but Kevin Fulton is the owner of these dogs so I'm sure one of the F's is his initial.  The WW prefix is an iconic prefix. It stands for Wayne Ward who was one of the big names in the industry.  Wayne died a few years ago and his daughter Julia took over the operation.  Julia is the president of the NGA.

    There are just over 100 FGF dogs.

    There are just under 800 Rooftop dogs.

    There are almost 2500 WW's dogs and there could be another 1000 with just WW.

    FYI: Gable Dodge wasn't just a great racer, he was also a great sire with 11,241 offspring.

    Dick

     

    Greyhound-Data

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    1 hour ago, LaFlaca said:

    Hi, Dick! 

    What does this mean?    Bmpd & Coll 1st Tn        Bumped and Collided 1st Turn?  :(  If so, is there any way to know if the dog was injured? I'm looking at the racing history of Ottawa, a dog we are looking into adopting.    

     

    Hi Irene,

    Bumped and collided in this case probably means the same thing.  The chartwriter doesn't usually put bumped and bumped if a dog was bumped and then bumped into another dog. I just looked at Ottawa's lines to see if there was any break in his lines.  there were two breaks, but he only missed one start so whatever the reason for him missing the starts it doesn't sound serious.  My guess is whatever kept him out the first start is what kept him out the second because he missed a start, ran and won the race and then missed another start.

    Cheryl can probably tell you better than I can, but every dog the day after a race is gone over from head to toe. The trainer is making sure there are no apparent injuries. This is just a precaution since the dog can't say my back leg is a little sore and is walking fine.

    If you look at Nov. 17, 2018 you can see there is a little gap in the dates, he runs and wins and another little gap in the dates.

    The last break in his lines is on June 7th and he doesn't run a graded race again for a month. I knew he had to officially school to run again so I checked trackinfo since they show schooling race lines and he officially schooled on June 23 and June 30th. To officially school on the 23rd the trained would have morning schooled him once or twice before the 23rd. So he was not running for maybe two weeks not a month.

    He only ran two races and was retired. Nothing bad from those two races that stands out.

    Career ending injuries are something people think of as being a catastrophic injury when in many cases it is a minor injury and the age of the dog that really makes a trainer say it is time. 

    If a dog break a toe at two years old the dog is usually back racing in seven or eight weeks. If a dog breaks a toe at 3 or 3 1/2 the trainer or owner may retire that dog instead of bringing him back to race.

    I would ask the adoption group if they know what the injury was just so you know, but from the dogs lines I see nothing bad.

    Dick

    Greyhound-Data

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    2 hours ago, MerseyGrey said:

    Hi Dick, my name is Ellen and I wondered if you would mind posting some info on greyhound data for me when you have time? The photo is of my beloved hound, racing name Buddy Molly, pet name Buddy. He has adopted Dan and Ellen Haydon as his human companions. 

    Thanks in advance,

    ellen

     

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    Hi Ellen,

    Done and up to three pictures can be put on Buddy's page so if you have mobe in the future let me know and I will be happy to post them.

    http://www.greyhound-data.com/db.php?i=1852239&time=1564006982

    Dick

    Greyhound-Data

    in Everything else Greyhound

    Posted

    6 minutes ago, LaFlaca said:

    Makes perfect sense. Saints paying for sinners. <sigh>  

    Exactly.  At one time everyone could enter a pedigree and edit on G-D.  This made it easy for an adopter to post pictures and put something in the comment box. When the changes occurred there were a lot of complaints, but people didn't realize the chaos that happened that forced these changes.

    As you stated, Saints paying for sinners. <sigh>, and it also made it more time consuming  for some.  Every day Ilse and Werner get a list of new pedigrees, changes made to existing pedigrees and new pictures added. They go through these additions and changes to make sure they are all legit.

    Every so often I'll get an email from Ilse asking if some dog from the U.S. was sent to Ireland or Australia because the land of standing was change. The answer is almost always no because all that was sent to the country is semen.  The dog is still standing in the U.S.

    Greyhound-Data

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    A few years ago there were people wrecking havoc on G-D.  Pedigrees were being changed for one and people were spending a lot of time correcting this along with other problems. Some people having multiple identities was another.  The owners of G-D decided people were going to have to get verified by sending them a form of identification like your license. While some people objected to this that is the way it is.

    I think, but am not positive, if you aren't verified you can still see everything on G-D, but can't post in the forum. 

    Greyhound-Data

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    3 hours ago, LaFlaca said:

    I'm unable to login to GD. It says - Sorry, but I can find no account with this credentials!.  

    I've requested a new password twice but get no answer.  Any tips?

    Try again in the morning as sometimes it is just the website having a problem.  If you still can't login let me know and I will notify them.  Are you verified?

    Dick

    Greyhound-Data

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    1 hour ago, LaFlaca said:

    Hi, Dick. Thank you for all you do for us and our hounds.

    Please add the date of death for my girl Wendy (Lost Footing) - 08/18/17 with the words:  Forever in our hearts. "I am yours you are mine".

    And for AMF Won't Forget, please add adopters' names - Irene & Jorge Martinez - and pet name Lola. 

    Thank you!

     

     

     

    Done

    http://www.greyhound-data.com/db.php?i=1360459&time=1563405603

    http://www.greyhound-data.com/db.php?i=2231055&time=1563405738

    Dick

    Greyhound-Data

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    Posted

    Greyhound-Data has added some new fields and if anyone wants me, or someone on GT to edit their dogs G-D page please post the information here. If anyone wants to add pictures just post them here.

    The retired with owner is new, but wouldn't apply for people here unless they owned the dog as a racer.

    Adoption group is new.

    Adopted owners email is new.  Some people want to try and connect with people that have siblings.

    Year of passing is new and the whole date can be entered.

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    Dick

    Renaming Your Grey?

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    The dogs are given their kennel names at a very young age.  Some use a theme.  I had one dog whose kennel name was Foreman and the farmer used boxers for the males.  Some of the other kennel names were Ali, Frazier and I think Norton.  The dogs all know their names, whether they respond to it in a new setting with new people is another story.

    For the past few years I've put the dogs kennel name on his/her G-D page.

    Fence height?

    in Everything else Greyhound

    Posted

    Remember a lot of people keep their dog in one room with a baby gate.  While they can go over the baby gate or a four or five foot fence, they tend not to.  There are always exceptions to the rule, but these are a very small percentage.

     

    How Your Dog Ran At The Track

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    9 minutes ago, Daks said:

    Any info on our boy- Kentucky Bronco ? He's a gentle giant. 

    Kentucky Bronco ran 58 races all at Jacksonville. He was an erratic breaker so you never knew what to expect from him.  If he hit his break, even decent, he was usually in the money, but for as many times as he broke decent he also broke 6th, 7th and 8th. Dogs like this have the early speed, but never learn to time their break so it was a crap shoot whether he would come out or not.

    If he got out he would run hard and could pass a dog at times or be passed by a closer, but in general he could hold his position.

    Then in his 58th he did something that he never did before, he interfered. We call them fighters, but in reality these dogs are trying to play with another dog. You can't do that in a race as the dog is suppose to be looking straight ahead at the lure.  They took him off the track and schooled him three times.  The first two times he was fine, but he interfered again in the third schooling race and he was retired.

    His race replays are on TrackInfo and I explained in a previous post how to tell the box he was in and where he finished.

     

    Dick

    http://www.trackinfo.com/dog-search.jsp?keyword=Kentucky+Bronco&x=2&y=7&by=dogname

    How Your Dog Ran At The Track

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    13 minutes ago, MaksimRhythm said:

    Dick,

    Thank you so much! I wish there were still videos out there of Rhythm's races, but I guess he is too old for those to still be out there. Or maybe they were never recorded?

    Actually, you are in luck about his races as St. Pete./Derby Lane archives races going back a number of years.

    This is his TrackInfo page and you need to know the date and race he ran in

    http://www.trackinfo.com/dog-search.jsp?keyword=JW+Maksim+Rhythm&x=12&y=10&by=dogname

    The red numbers on the left are those numbers. In the top race you can see he ran on 2014-05-06 so May 6, 2014. The E4 is important as that is the evening card 4th race. Wednesday and Saturday they run both and afternoon and evening card.

    You also need to know what box he is in. As you read across that top line the first bold number is a 6 and that is what box he is in. You may want to know how he finished in the race and the last bold number id, obviously, the time he ran, but the numbers to the left of the time 8 16 means he finished 8th 16 lengths behind the leader. The other bold numbers are where he was at different points in the race and you can see he didn't run well, but look at the next race down and you will see he finished 2nd 2 1/2 lengths behind the winner, but those 1's to the left means he had the lead at those points in the race.

    Now that you know this, go here and click on replays.

    http://www.derbylane.com/liveracing.aspx

    There is a drop down and if you dog ran in the first 6 months of the year up to June 30th you need to click  Derby Lane (SK) and if his races were July 1st to the end of the year click Tampa at Derby Land (TK)

    Now you need to change the year 2019 to 2014. To use the 2nd race down where he ran 2nd he ran that race on May 1st E8 so change the month to May and click on the 1st.

    On days that there are two cards you will see they run the numbers 1 thru 15 together twice so you have to determine which is the afternoon and which is the evening card.  I would think the second set of 1 thru 15 is the evening, but I didn't check that and it will, obviously, be easy to tell if it looks really bright out or not.

    I know this looks like a real lot, but once you do it once or twice you will see there isn't much to it.

    To anyone that had a dog at St.Pete./Derby Lane your dog will be there, too.

     

    Dick

    How Your Dog Ran At The Track

    in Everything else Greyhound

    Posted · Edited by dmdsmoxie

    24 minutes ago, MaksimRhythm said:

    Anything on my sweetheart Rhythm? Formally JW Maksim Rhythm. 

    JW Maksim Rhythm  ran 44 races all at Derby Lane.  He was a dog that needed to in front at the 1st turn to have a chance to win as he was all about early speed. He was not a dog that ever closed so he had to get out front and try to hold on in the stretch. 

    He was in the money 19 of his 44 races with 7 wins which isn't to bad as he was near the 50 percent mark of in the money.  He was a C/D dog that won some C races, so he ran in B, but never won a B race.

    I also have this Greyhound-Data thread going if you want me, or others to add any information.

    Dick

    How Your Dog Ran At The Track

    in Everything else Greyhound

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    4 hours ago, fionasmom said:

    I wonder if you could comment on my girl XT PISTOL. She ran 53 races then broke her hock in October 2018. I adopted her in late December 2018. She still loves to run in my yard but does favor that leg.

    XT's PISTOL ran 53 races between Mardi Gras and Sanford Orlando with 51 of those races run at SO. She didn't have much box speed or rush to the turn most often being from 4th to 8th at the turn.  So she could close a little doing most of her running from the backstretch to the wire.  While she only had two wins she was 2nd- 5 times, 3rd- 5 times and 4th- 6 times.

     

    Dick

    How Your Dog Ran At The Track

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    1 hour ago, seeh2o said:

    Could you tell me about my two, please? Bam's Barney (Barney) and Mega San Onofre (now Goldy - she wouldn't answer to Onofre and that name has bad bad juju here in Southern California). Both ran at Caliente at the track in Tijuana. Gildy is a broodie and a pup from my beloved Bowie's (Bella Run Softly) last litter. Bo passed in December and, unbeknownst to me at the time, Gildy had been in a foster home with our group side October. Thank you!

    Bam's Barney  ran 176 races all at Caliente . He was a dog that as a bettor was hard to figure out because he would go stretches of breaking at or near the back of the field and then he would go stretched breaking on top or near the front. When he broke well he would, as you would expect, finished in the money most times. He was in the money 91 of his 176 races with 22 wins.  Even the wins were all over the place from grade E to A.

    Mega San Onofre ran 215 races all at Caliente  She was a good racer with 130 times in the money and a good part of her career was in A and B. As long as she broke decent and got to the turn in good position she had a chance to win and being in the money 130 times she did this more often than not.

    Dick

     

    How Your Dog Ran At The Track

    in Everything else Greyhound

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    21 minutes ago, Time4ANap said:

    Hi Dick, 

    What's your analysis of our girl, Petunia?  MW Neptunia

    We've also been enjoying following one of her pups who has made a pretty good name for himself as well.  Mw's T-Rex

    Thanks, Don 

    Don,

    MW Neptunia was a very good racer being in the money 64 times in ninety races all at Gulf.  Most of those races were in A and AA and he did most of that running from the front. She had good speed out of the box and to the turn.  While she could get caught in the stretch there was just as good a chance she would fight hard to the wire and hold her position.

    Mw's T-Rex was one of the best dogs in the country last year as he was one of the eight dogs invited to compete in the big championship at Naples in January of this year.  He raced 94 times between Naples and Palm Beach and has been in the money 68 times with 31 wins.  He is all speed out of the box and to the turn and once on top he is tough to catch.

    Of those 31 wins 31 have been either A or stakes wins.

    How Your Dog Ran At The Track

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    2 hours ago, calif_chaz said:

    We enjoyed hearing of the racing careers of the two you checked on for us and I would so like to hear of 3 who have crossed over now.  RJ's Gomer Pyle, Rooster Fancy, and Peppered Bakin.  Thank you so much for this.  

    RJ's Gomer Pyle  ran 104 races all at Southland. He was a dog that needed to be 1st or 2nd to the turn to have a chance to win and he had the speed out of the box and rush to the turn to be able to do that. He could get caught in the stretch at times and other times he was able to close and catch the dog in front of him.  It would probably depend on whether a closer was chasing him or whether he was chasing a quitter.  He made it to and won in AA so he was a good racer.

    Rooster Fancy ran 89 races between Palm Beach, Flagler and Naples. Like Gomer Pyle she needed to be at or near the front at the turn.  She was a dog that basically held her position all the way around.  She would vary no more than one position up or down from where she was at the turn. She was a C/D dog that was in the money 41 times.

    Peppered Bakin ran 47 races all at Gulf. She was a dog that needed to be near the front at the turn,  but her problem was she wasn't consistent with her break and often broke poorly.  The races she broke poorly she finished poorly and the races she broke decent to good she usually finished in the money.

    Dick

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