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    I now have Sambuca (GV Leon) who just turned 3. He has Gable Dodge in his line. I didn't realize there was this connection with cancer and Gable and Wigwam,

     

    There isn't. That was just someones opinion.

     

    I would be shocked if the study shows the connection to osteo started with a dog in the last 20 years. It may be passed through one or more of them because if you look at the 12 generation double ansestors of most dogs you will find dogs like Mixed Harmony, Rural Rube, Larry of Waterhall*, Never Roll and Upsidedown, to name a few, in most of your pups. Some of these dogs are so far back in the pedigree that they appear over 100 times in the pedigree.

  2. With the advent of frozen semen you now have sires with 10 to 15 thousand pups. Therefore, the vast majority of dogs will have Sweet Trey, Dodge, Wag is Dodge's sire so for every Dodge you have Wag along with otheres Wag sired not through Dodge.

     

    Commander is the sire of Molotov and Mankato so you have who knows how many pups with Commander in them once you go back 3 or 4 generations.

     

    To give you an example, Wag sired 3340 pups that were entered on GD. Of those pups as the damsire or just the female lines he has 5166. One of the pups he sired was Gable Dodge who shows 10,862 pups on GD. Dodge was the damsire of 8823 pups entered on GD.

     

    One of those pups was Dodgem By Design. DBD, so far, shows 11,025 pups sired and as a damsire he is already up to 1871.

     

    Another Dodge pup was Lonesome Cry. He sired 5750 pups so far.

     

    Both DBD and Cry are still in the top 5 for stud dogs.

     

    You also have remember that of the 10,000 or so pups some of there dogs have well over 99% of them will never be bred.

     

    You will drive yourself crazy trying to figure out where osteo came from. Just enjoy your dogs.

  3. I started looking more and found that guy too. It can't be Tristan unless there was some mistake in the ear tatoos. One tattoo is illegible to me, but the other is 33A. So that means he was born March of 2003, right? Also the Heritage online is listed as black instead of brindle? Hrmm..

     

    Darn that Wigwam!!!!! :wife

     

    edit: Now I'm really curious. Do brindles look black when they are born? maybe he was marked black as a puppy? Of the dogs in his lineage with photos on the site, all but one is brindle just like him. If this is actually Tristan, he's almost a year older than I thought he was....

     

    You are right 33 is March of 2003 and a brindle pup is brindle when born so that isn't your pup.

  4. Dick, I meant that he's been on strict leash walking up until now (about 2.5 months), while the toe was wrapped and we were trying to get it to heal. I am hoping that the recovery time after the amp is much faster than that! My LGRA peeps tell me being a 3-toed boy won't slow him down. Has that been your experience with the track dogs as well? I hope so, I plan to be at the LGRA Nats in October. :)

     

     

    ~Lindsay~

     

    The best dog I ever owned broke his toe and had it taken off. He was running AA at Wheeling when he broke it and when he returned he ran AA and never missed a beat. I know of plenty of other dogs and most had the same results.

     

    Hope he recovers quickly and is back running in no time.

  5. Researching my new foster boy. His mama only had 1 litter states 4 puppies. What's up with my dog tat is 79E Would the E not say at least 5 pups.

     

    The dogs put into the GD database are done by hand and not everyone puts their dogs into the database. Plus, if a dog isn't going to make the track there is no need to spend the money to register him.

     

    Every pup is tattooed at about 3 months of age so there could be 6 or more in the litter with only a few getting registered.

  6. If you want some of the pictures you posted here to go on GD I or some others that have access to do so, will do that for you. I/we can also add something to the comment section for you if you want. Sometimes people add, Sophie was adopted on XXXX and is now living in her forever home with XXXX XXXX, but, you can add anything you want.

     

    Dick

  7. Hi Amy,

     

    You can see Gutter Guy's races from Daytona.

     

    Go to his GD page and look at the dates he ran. As you look across the top you will see where it says "Trap." That is the box he is in. If you look a little more to the right it will say "Fin" which is where he finished in the race.

     

    Now click on the date. As you read across the top you will see, on his Aug 17th race, Daytona Beach 17 Aug 2011 HT E2. The E2 means evening card race 2.

     

    So you have the date, take note of the box he is in and evening card race 2.

     

    Now go here and by clicking PREV you can go back to the month and year he ran. Now click on the day he ran. Then click "All" and designate evening or matinee, on the GD page it will br A for afternoon, click the day of the month he ran and watch the race. Remember what box he is in.

     

    Dick

  8. But, personally, I really do hope they figure out if there is a genetic marker, and what it is, because I see that as one step closer to understanding how to beat it - or a minimum to improve the treatment options.

     

    Part of the long process of research is searching not just for markers in dogs but also for crossovers into human medicine. The research is actually looking into human disease, mapping dogs first because it's easier (fewer variables I think) & then trying to link back to humans. In the case of osteo, children.

     

    This is exactly what is going on between OSU's Greyhound Health and Wellness Program and Nationwide Children's Hospital in Columbus. Greyhound osteo is apparently remarkably similar to childhood osteo. So OSU is collecting samples from osteo greys AND healthy greys. The combined team is working on mapping genomes to look for possible genetic markers indicating a predisposition to osteo. I believe the (very) long term goal would be not just identifying greyhounds and children who are at greater risk, but working on gene-based treatments and/or preventatives. Of course this is a very long way off.

     

    In addition to this work, Dr. Shelley Lake is collecting statistics on greyhounds and cancer. She wants to know about any greyhound who has developed cancer, the lineage of the greyhound (provide the racing name and she looks up the lineage), and the type and location of the cancer. She is still in the early stages. She is active in Circle of Grey but also is a member here. Unfortunately, I don't remember her screen name. I'm sure she would love to hear from any of you who have lost a grey to any type of cancer.

     

    I hesitate to even repeat this, because it is such early stages in her research: She did say that it appears that the HB's Commander line seems to have more osteo than others. I caution you though that this is early in the statistics and I don't think she has factored all factors into the research. Not that it is statistically significant but HB's Commander is my Joe's (15 month osteo survivor) great grandsire. HB's Commander was quite prolific and sired 3035 pups. He died at age 8 of an aneurism. His son Molotov (Joe's grandfather) sired 7722 pups. Molotov's son, Craigie Whistler, sired 5428 pups -- one of them is my Joe. So from just one line of one of HB's Commanders 3035 progeny, there have been over 13000 puppies. MIndboggling!

     

    If I can find info on contacting Dr. Lake I will post it here.

     

    Jane

     

    Edited to add: Dr. Lake's greytalk name is handpicked. She asks that you go to her profile and click on the send email to handpicked link. In the email, include the above requested info.

     

    Not sure if this will work, but I will try to put a link to her profile page here:

     

    My link

     

    And this might work. If so, here is a link to send her an email:

     

    Dr. Lake email

     

    Well you have just sent everyone scrambling. There will be way over 100,000 dogs with Commander in their pedigree and I am probably on the low side with my guess.

     

    So osteo has just become prevalent in greyhounds in the last 20 years?

  9. I'm sure there is a link, but at this point, as many have said, the gene pool is a bit saturated, so if any of those really prolific sites and dams are carriers, their genetic material is pretty well propagated.

     

    There was some talk a while back about Onie Jones being a source. Every single one of my dogs (including angel Sutra), so, 5 greyhounds, has Onie Jones in their line somewhere. I lost Sutra to osteo, Pinky is currently recovering from an amputation following osteo diagnosis, and Ace has leukemia. BUT, Carrie (age 12), and Fritz (age 10 and Ace's littermate brother) are perfectly healthy. There are so many dogs between Onie Jones and my dogs that it could come from anywhere! :blink:

     

    I don't think anything would keep me from adopting a dog with a suspected osteo carrier in it's line. Life is unpredictable. We all deserve to be loved and cared for. If that means that I endure this osteo heartbreak over and over for the rest of my days, so be it. The love that these dogs give is worth so much more than what it costs me emotionally and financially.

     

    For every pedigree that has Onie Jones, or any of the other Jones dogs from that great litter, there is Hoefer, the sire, and Elsie Jones, the dam. So my question to the person that came to this conclusion, and I know you weren't the one to place the blame on Onie Jones, would be how did you eliminate the sire and dam of Onie Jones and come to the conclusion it was Onie?

     

    Dick

  10. Thank you for posting that, Nancy. I have never been to a memorial service in my life that moved me more deeply than the one for Linda Jensen today. And I've never been so deeply impressed with the huge, immense difference one incredible person could make in thousands of lives. Will be keeping her family, close friends and her greyhounds in my prayers -- I have no idea how the Greyhound community, especially here in New England, is going to get along without her. It's an absolute honor to have known her. :weep

     

    Amen to that.

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