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3 hours ago, NeylasMom said:
This is a really nice article on what's known about diet related DCM at this time:
https://therawfeedingcommunity.com/2018/02/08/grain-free-diets-and-dcm/
From my interpretation of the article, it skews the information to concentrate on taurine deficiency. I think the Tufts articles are way better and they are not making any conclusions and instead pointing out that switching to a grain-inclusive diet produced by the major companies that have rigorous after-product testing may reverse the problem.
Note, there are many groups putting their own spin on the data to support their perspective/product, think twice -- better to go to the source and read the Tufts articles (or FDA reports).
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I know many people do this but, I would never do it. I don't trust technology to this degree to keep on operating especially on hot days. When it is very hot, my car has stalled out, rarely, but it does happen. It doesn't take long for a dog to die in a car when the AC shuts off. A few police dogs have died this way (you thing they would know better) in some of the cases, it was from tech failures. RV people have had AC failures and started to use other apps to check the temp levels in their RVs but, that tech can also fail.
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I used this halter for my front amp - it has the handle so I could help my dog hop when he got tired by lifting some of his weight.
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00A9X5ZOO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Have leg x-rays been done?
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How were you treating the hooks? That could have caused gastric distress like IDB.
Any chance that he got into something ... fertilizer or pesticide?
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There is a serious condition (see link) where one of the causes can be over exertion at temperatures where the dog can not cool themselves as normal. If your dog is panting and and it continues, then you need to take measures to slowly cool the dog down like cold towels. There have been a few dogs in this forum that experienced it .. hopefully they will also respond.
https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/rhabdomyolysis-symptoms-causes-treatments#1
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Muzzle the new greyhound. You might also want to designate a safe space for your older dog that is gated off from the other dog so that he can rest. Otherwise, he might be on alert all the time and that will not be good for him.
A situation like this might get worse before it gets better and the growls are a warning, next might be an attack. Don't feed them treats near each other - put it in their dog bowls and those should be distant from each other.
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You can try to give cooked white fish like tilapia just in case there is an intolerance to the beef (as well as the chicken that you mentioned happened earlier). I find that the probiotics are really important in getting the poops better - which one are you using?
You might also want to try adding some cooked oatmeal (preferably the old-fashioned 5 minute) type to the food - it provides good fiber and I give it to my dogs every day. You can give 2 to 3 tablespoons and add a touch of honey to sweeten it a bit and mix it with fish or hamburger.
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13 hours ago, oldrunners said:
My Penny was diagnosed last June with DCM, early stages. I had brought her in because she wasn't eating, and the vet noticed a suspicious heart sound during the exam. I was sent to the cardiologist immediately, as an emergency-squeeze-me-in-and-charge-me-extra patient. She was diagnosed and put on Vetmedin and the supplement L-carnatine. I had been feeding grain free since I got her. She seems to be stable now. She is just shy of 10 1/2.
If you are on Facebook - there is a group that has a ton of information. They have charts that show the incidence of DCM in many of the dogs foods so, it might be worth your while to look at it and evaluate whether you want to stay on grain-free.
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I do a 3 week interval between vaccines because vaccines are expected to produce an immune response and sometimes this can be vomiting and diarrhea. Sounds like this has been going on long enough to warrant a trip to the vet.
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Hantavirus could be another cause although not likely.
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Great job on the update! Thanks for all you do!
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How do we know which site we are on?
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I verified that my email address is correct however, I don't want to mess with changing the password now. If it isn't what I think it is, once the system is updated, I assume that I can change it with the "can't remember password".
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This is very interesting. In India, the dogs at the hospital where I volunteered ate a vegetarian diet and seemed to do very well. They ate starches like chick peas and lentils. I've been considering switching my dog to a veggie diet, as the research I've seen suggests that many of the problems found with vegetarian diets can also be found in meat diets.
I'm a vegan and while I would love to switch my dogs to a vegetarian diet - there is not enough known about the long term effects. If you are on Facebook, I suggest that you join the group Nutritional related DCM - it provides a great deal of information on the DCM cases and the grain-free foods many of which have novelty proteins and things like lentils or peas as a substitute for grains.
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You need an ER vet ASAP.
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Great article. Thanks.
I do find that DCM group incredibly sad though. So many sick, dying, and dead dogs from a fad.
I agree that it is disheartening especially that so many of the people tried to do the best for their pets. What I do find encouraging is that there have been so many that have reversed the process by switching the dog's diets - it takes awhile but, they can get back to good health.
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This is a great article (my opinion) on what has changed in a dog's genes corresponding to diet needs as it became domesticated. It also provides some neat graphs that identify how far certain breeds have moved from the genes of the wolf when it comes to "starches". This was posted in the Facebook DCM group - they have great scientific articles.
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Mucous indicates gastric distress beyond the normal and it might either move in the direction of bloody diarrhea or could resolve itself. Few suggestions - give some Forti-flora or other probiotic and give rice and hamburger (some dogs allergic to chicken). Don't fast as that can make it worse, also don't give kibble as that is too much to process at this point.
Also, as someone also suggested, smaller meals and more often. Make sure the dog stays hydrated.
edited - what type of cupcakes and is there a chance that there was xylitol in them?
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check out old fashioned NUPRO supplement. it has lots of good ingredients and chewy sells it. when i had 2 greyhounds i purchased the 5 gallon size. great coats, liver flavor and totally non-toxic. my first greyhound loved it so much that she opened the cabinet it was stored in, ate the cover off the container and binged! i called nupro, they informed me that a dog can not over dose. loose poop for a day or so and that was it!
Seems like it has similar ingredients to the FreshFactors. Amazon also has it so I added it to my cart - I will try it when I use up the FreshFactors. Thanks!
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I've been giving Fresh Factors to my greys for quite awhile and have been happy with the result ... less so with the price as it seems to have crept up in price.
What is everyone else using as a supplement for an older dog - note that this would be for a seizure dog with IBD.
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You didn't mention whether your dog had an x-ray of the leg - if not, that needs to be done.
My dog also yelped occasionally when getting up and had an issue with swelling in one of his legs and per discussions with a few of his vets, we decided to put him on 1/2 baby aspirin as there could be a chance of a blood clot in the leg - this seems to be a greyhound issue and please note, I am not recommending that you do that, only that you discuss with vet.
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Feed a bland diet of hamburger and rice for about a week and then add a bit of kibble (tablespoon) and increase very slowly but, before adding the kibble in, change the kibble that you are using ... maybe go to something like ProPlan shredded beef formula
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It's better to go to the articles by Tufts or the FDA to get information on DCM and diet - too many sites are spinning their own opinions.