smurfette Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Andy (12) was diagnosed with laryngeal paralysis on Monday. I have no experience with this. Does any of you have of had a grey with that diagnosis and what are your experiences? Picture just because (Andy is the black) Quote Sorry for butchering the english language. I try to keep the mistakes to a minimum. Nadine with Paddy (Zippy Mullane), Saoirse (Lizzie Be Nice), Abu (Cillowen Abu) and bridge angels Colin (Dessies Hero) and Andy (Riot Officer). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macoduck Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Smurfette, do a search in the Health & Medical section here. My senior boy developed LP. He was successfully treated with Doxepin. He had to take the medicine daily, but it was inexpensive. It is an antidepressant for humans so your vet would have to write you a prescription to gt it at a pharmacy. Quote Freshy (Droopys Fresh), NoAh the podenco orito, Howie the portuguese podengo maneto Angels: Rita the podenco maneta, Lila, the podenco, Mr X aka Denali, Lulu the podenco andaluz, Hada the podenco maneta, Georgie Girl (UMR Cordella), Charlie the iggy, Mazy (CBR Crazy Girl), Potato, my mystery ibizan girl, Allen (M's Pretty Boy), Percy (Fast But True), Mikey (Doray's Patuti), Pudge le mutt, Tessa the iggy, Possum (Apostle), Gracie (Dusty Lady), Harold (Slatex Harold), "Cousin" Simon our step-iggy, Little Dude the iggy ,Bandit (Bb Blue Jay), Niña the galgo, Wally (Allen Hogg), Thane (Pog Mo Thoine), Oliver (JJ Special Agent), Comet, & Rosie our original mutt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greysmom Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 It's not uncommon though I have not had a greyhound with diagnosed with it. From what I can remember you need to be careful to keep them from overheating, maybe feed smaller meals more often. There is a surgery that can be done that I know has helped some dogs and not made a large difference with others. Hopefully those with dogs under current treatment will chime in. There are also probably a lot of threads here to search out , but I'm not sure how recent they will be. Quote Chris - Mom to: Felicity (DeLand), and Andi (Braska Pandora) siggy by Chris Harper, on Flickr Angels: Libby (Everlast), Dorie (Dog Gone Holly), Dude (TNJ VooDoo), Copper (Kid's Copper), Cash (GSI Payncash), Toni (LPH Cry Baby), Whiskey (KT's Phys Ed), Atom, Lilly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmettobug Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 My Labrador had the tieback surgery at the age of 12 after a crisis episode. I can say that it did help her breathing and quality of life for the next two years, but I think it exacerbated her rear end weakness, which was already compromised due to spinal and hip arthritis. She more and more lost continence and developed UTI after UTI, even though her brain and demeanor was still upbeat and Lab-happy. I wish we could have had a diagnosis sooner, and been able to try medication first. Quote Current Crew: Gino-Gene-Eugene! (Eastnor Rebel: Makeshift x Celtic Dream); Fuzzy the Goo-Goo Girl (BGR Fuzzy Navel: Boc's Blast Off x Superior Peace); Roman the Giant Galoot! (Imark Roman: Crossfire Clyde x Shana Wookie); Kitties Archie and Dixie Forever Missed: K9 Sasha (2001-2015); Johnny (John Reese--Gable Dodge x O'Jays) (2011-19); the kitties Terry and Bibbi; and all the others I've had the privilege to know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP_the4pack Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 My 11 yr old had the tieback surgery. Did fine. Lived to 15 1/2. I was very cautious with what I fed her. Nothing that she could inhale like rice or milkbones. And if she did vomit for whatever reason I took her to the vets immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KF_in_Georgia Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 An experienced greyhound owner I know has had a diagnosis of LP for her senior agility dog. You can find Jennifer's blog posts here. Quote Kathy and Q (CRT Qadeer from Fuzzy's Cannon and CRT Bonnie) and Jane (WW's Aunt Jane from Trent Lee and Aunt M); photos to come. Missing Silver (5.19.2005-10.27.2016), Tigger (4.5.2007-3.18.2016), darling Sam (5.10.2000-8.8.2013), Jacey-Kasey (5.19.2003-8.22.2011), and Oreo (1997-3.30.2006) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoutsmom Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 (edited) My Henry (12.75 years old) has LP. I have him on the Doxepin which does make a difference. It is an off-label use of the drug. It may be called something else in Germany. My vet recommended against the tie-back surgery because he reacted badly to the anesthesia on his last dental and he hates going to the vet. Also, in her experience, most dogs that have the surgery end up getting pneumonia from food getting into their lungs, making them very sick and often dying. I am very careful that he doesn't get overheated. Last summer I got him a cooling jacket from Ruffwear and it is a lifesaver on hot days. I highly recommend you get one. I think Amazon sells them, but they are generally cheaper if you get them directly from the manufacturer (Ruffwear in Bend, OR.). I also have a support harness from Ruffwear that he has been wearing a lot this spring as his hind end is now very weak and he trips/falls occasionally and needing my help to get up. It has a handle over his back which is very easy to grab and lift him up or just to steady him. That said, he still loves his evening walks with our family although he is only up to going a couple blocks and less if it is warm. I no longer keep him on a leash in my neighborhood. I don't want any pressure on his throat or chest and want him to be able to go at his own pace. He has always been a very good boy about staying right with me so I trust him off leash in familiar areas. Anywhere else he is on his leash and harness. The only reason he still wears a collar is because of his tags. I never ever grab him or direct him with it any more. When he does breathe heavily, it seems like anxiety kicks in, making the problem worse. In those situations I have given him Tramadol to relax him. I've heard hemp cookies or powder from a company called canna-pet.com works well for this and I have ordered some. The trick with LP is managing it and keeping your dog happy. Edited May 10, 2018 by Scoutsmom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbhounds Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 One needs to consider if its bilateral or unilateral. If its bilateral I would move forward with the tieback. Just even thinking about my dog suffocating is enough to make me sick. Not a good way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiveRoooooers Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 A friend's 12.5 yo girl had the tieback surgery and got almost two more years of a wonderful life. Keeping the dogs as cool as possible and minimizing panting is extremely important. Andy Quote Old Dogs are the Best Dogs. Thank you, campers. Current enrollees: Punkin. AnnIE Oooh M, Ebbie, HollyBeeBop (Betty Crocker). Angels: Pal . Segugio. Sorella (TPGIT). LadyBug. Zeke-aroni. MiMi Sizzle Pants. Gracie. Seamie . (Foster)Sweet. Andy. PaddyALVIN!Mayhem. Bosco. Bruno. Dottie B. Trevor Double-Heart. Bea. Cletus, KLTO. Aiden 1-4. Upon reflection, our lives are often referenced in parts defined by the all-too-short lives of our dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurfette Posted May 11, 2018 Author Share Posted May 11, 2018 Thanks everyone for taking your time to answer my question. Good for us that it does not get that hot around here. The vet I consulted for the sonography told me that the LP is bilateral and that the neuropathy that causes it also causes the weakening of Andy's back end. He has physiotherapy every 2 weeks to keep him mobile and the LP is in the beginning (the vet said). Andy still loves to walk but only for ~45 minutes before he starts dragging his hind legs. He also always had trouble with anesthetic. He needs far more time to come back than other greys (and the vet is a greyhound specialist). It's a difficult decision. Quote Sorry for butchering the english language. I try to keep the mistakes to a minimum. Nadine with Paddy (Zippy Mullane), Saoirse (Lizzie Be Nice), Abu (Cillowen Abu) and bridge angels Colin (Dessies Hero) and Andy (Riot Officer). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiveRoooooers Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 A 45' walk sounds like a lot of walk before the hind legs start to drag. That is really good Andy. LP and LS do seem to eventually present together. Pagliaccio had LS for far longer than he had LP. My wonderful vet was able to keep his LS manageable with varying treatments: Depo injections, Adequan (I gave these at home), acupuncture, Gabapentin, Tramadol, Deramaxx. Eventually Pal's little body wore out, he was 14.1. Quote Old Dogs are the Best Dogs. Thank you, campers. Current enrollees: Punkin. AnnIE Oooh M, Ebbie, HollyBeeBop (Betty Crocker). Angels: Pal . Segugio. Sorella (TPGIT). LadyBug. Zeke-aroni. MiMi Sizzle Pants. Gracie. Seamie . (Foster)Sweet. Andy. PaddyALVIN!Mayhem. Bosco. Bruno. Dottie B. Trevor Double-Heart. Bea. Cletus, KLTO. Aiden 1-4. Upon reflection, our lives are often referenced in parts defined by the all-too-short lives of our dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurfette Posted May 11, 2018 Author Share Posted May 11, 2018 A 45' walk sounds like a lot of walk before the hind legs start to drag. That is really good Andy. LP and LS do seem to eventually present together. Pagliaccio had LS for far longer than he had LP. My wonderful vet was able to keep his LS manageable with varying treatments: Depo injections, Adequan (I gave these at home), acupuncture, Gabapentin, Tramadol, Deramaxx. Eventually Pal's little body wore out, he was 14.1. My vet explained to me that LS and LP indeed go together. The nerves stop working and cause the muscle loss in the back as the do in the larynx. Andy has physiotherapy and cold laser every 2 weeks (his physiotherapist is also a reiki master and shakra healer which he benefits from). I have him on different homeopathic remedies and add st.johns wort to his food because it is known to be able to heal nerve damages. Quote Sorry for butchering the english language. I try to keep the mistakes to a minimum. Nadine with Paddy (Zippy Mullane), Saoirse (Lizzie Be Nice), Abu (Cillowen Abu) and bridge angels Colin (Dessies Hero) and Andy (Riot Officer). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schnookums Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 So sorry to hear that Andy has LP. Blue was diagnosed with partial LP 4 years ago. He is 12 and 3 months now. Keeping him cool and calm is a must and finding food which is easy to eat is challenging. Bit hard though when you have other grey souls that need to be kept warm! Andy is a lovely boy. I know how devastating it is when you find out your precious grey has this problem. Please give him big hugs from me, and hugs for you too. How lucky he is to be with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTRAWLD Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 Interesting about the LP-LS link. I had LS with Kasey and he certainly got into panting a lot as he aged,(although I was assured he didnt have LP). I'm seeing the same with Ryder regarding increased panting and the LS creeping in. I know you can help the muscle in a leg through some exercise and meds, but no idea how to support a muscle in a throat. Quote Proudly owned by:10 year old "Ryder" CR Redman Gotcha May 201012.5 year old Angel "Kasey" Goodbye Kasey Gotcha July 2005-Aug 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurfette Posted May 17, 2018 Author Share Posted May 17, 2018 Interesting about the LP-LS link. I had LS with Kasey and he certainly got into panting a lot as he aged,(although I was assured he didnt have LP). I'm seeing the same with Ryder regarding increased panting and the LS creeping in. I know you can help the muscle in a leg through some exercise and meds, but no idea how to support a muscle in a throat. The muscle loss is due to the nerves losing their function. To prevent the muscle loss one has to find a way to keep the nerves from deteriorating. This is the way I am trying to find. Andy is on several homeopathic remedies and I add St. John's Wort (hypericum perforatum) to his meals. This plant is known to help with nerve damages and even can heal nerve cells. I don't think I will find a cure but I hope to slow the deterioration down. He also gets physio and laser accupuncture for his back every 2 weeks. At the moment Andy has slight trouble breathing when it hot outside. So he stays inside with his fan. And all appointments for him are early in the morning. Quote Sorry for butchering the english language. I try to keep the mistakes to a minimum. Nadine with Paddy (Zippy Mullane), Saoirse (Lizzie Be Nice), Abu (Cillowen Abu) and bridge angels Colin (Dessies Hero) and Andy (Riot Officer). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTRAWLD Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 For LS, we try to remain active, which might be counter intuitive for LP. I'm not talking about running, but walking is still important. If you are able, find small grassy inclines to get the legs working, and/or put a bunch of paper towel rolls (brand new) spaced out on the floor and have Andy walk in a straight line over them once or twice a day. It encourages him to pick up his feet and keep mobile. Quote Proudly owned by:10 year old "Ryder" CR Redman Gotcha May 201012.5 year old Angel "Kasey" Goodbye Kasey Gotcha July 2005-Aug 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurfette Posted May 18, 2018 Author Share Posted May 18, 2018 Andy is still very mobile (for him). Yesterday was a cloudy day and we took a walk to the bakery. We needed 1,5 hours until we were back but we moved slowly with lots of stops (river for some soaking, kindergarten for some cuddling, bakery for buying breakfast, river and soaking again). He wants to join Paddy and Saoirse on their walks so I take him with me whenever the weather is cool enough. Andy walks off lead most of the time and can set his own pace....even wanted to chase a bunny yesterday (2 little hops - he stops when I call him). Quote Sorry for butchering the english language. I try to keep the mistakes to a minimum. Nadine with Paddy (Zippy Mullane), Saoirse (Lizzie Be Nice), Abu (Cillowen Abu) and bridge angels Colin (Dessies Hero) and Andy (Riot Officer). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTRAWLD Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Andy is on several homeopathic remedies and I add St. John's Wort (hypericum perforatum) to his meals. This plant is known to help with nerve damages and even can heal nerve cells. Can you tell me the dosage? Is this a capsule or powder or....? Quote Proudly owned by:10 year old "Ryder" CR Redman Gotcha May 201012.5 year old Angel "Kasey" Goodbye Kasey Gotcha July 2005-Aug 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurfette Posted May 18, 2018 Author Share Posted May 18, 2018 Can you tell me the dosage? Is this a capsule or powder or....? I buy the St. John's Wort as tea leaves and add 1 teaspoon per meal. And here are some homeopathic remedies I use for Andy: Nux vomica c1000 for nerve conductivity Causticum c1000 for the nerves in the throat Hypericum c30 (same as the tea leaves) Gelsemium LM 06 against paralysis Conium c30 for everything age related The c1000 are for a 1 time use ( like once a year), the c30 for everything acute (like every now and than when I feel he needs it) and the LM06 for every day with every meal. Quote Sorry for butchering the english language. I try to keep the mistakes to a minimum. Nadine with Paddy (Zippy Mullane), Saoirse (Lizzie Be Nice), Abu (Cillowen Abu) and bridge angels Colin (Dessies Hero) and Andy (Riot Officer). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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