moofie Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Not sure point of post as I've no diagnosis yet to ask advice on but feeling anxious & stressed Throp had his wrist xrayed (& a dental) on Friday as he has started to become uncomfortable on it lately,he rests it when stood still & it now wobbles with strain, moving he seems better although I think his rear looks bit weaker lately. Unfortunately got to wait until this Friday for a consult on the xrays, though the orthopedic specialist vet (practice owner) should've also looked over them. Our vet said the bone texture/density has changed on outer side of right wrist and is some swelling under skin. So briefly either osteoarthritis or bone cancer, he thinks former more likely as Throp started having lameness last summer (Cartrophen injections had improved limp/pain till recently). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spottydog Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Hoping for the best...likely if she was lame last summer, cancer, it moves along faster than that, as I understand it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remolacha Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Hoping for arthritis! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moofie Posted May 10, 2015 Author Share Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) Yes I was glad to hear it wasn't definitely bone cancer, i had considered that possibility. Am wondering what they may do if arthritis and bone density going as presumably it will get weaker not just painful? I so wish appointment was sooner as apart from.all these questions, would like to get idea of possible costs before making other financial decisions that may take up funds. He's insured but aware £4k doesn't go as far as it used to with vets bills. Edited May 10, 2015 by moofie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustSnoozing Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I hope that Throp is OK and that you get the answers you hope for. Quote Dippy (Dinky Dipstick) and Velvet (Redbrick Velvet). Remembering sweet handsome Rebel (Emporio Rebel). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmom Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 All fingers and toes crossed for your good boy! Quote Star aka Starz Ovation (Ronco x Oneco Maggie*, litter #48538), Coco aka Low Key (Kiowa Mon Manny x Party Hardy, litter # 59881), and mom in IllinoisWe miss Reko Batman (Trouper Zeke x Marque Louisiana), 11/15/95-6/29/06, Rocco the thistledown whippet, 04/29/93-10/14/08, Reko Zema (Mo Kick x Reko Princess), 8/16/98-4/18/10, the most beautiful girl in the whole USA, my good egg Joseph aka Won by a Nose (Oneco Cufflink x Buy Back), 09/22/2003-03/01/2013, and our gentle sweet Gidget (Digitizer, Dodgem by Design x Sobe Mulberry), 1/29/2006-11/22/2014, gone much too soon. Never forgetting CJC's Buckshot, 1/2/07-10/25/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moofie Posted May 15, 2015 Author Share Posted May 15, 2015 Went to Vet's today but feel no further forward as his boss (orthopedic specialist) hasn't got back to him about xrays yet so will ring us later in the week. Vet was ushering us away after checking Throps gums had healed ok, only my partner pressed for some further information. So no treatment plan yet just more waiting & I feel pretty pissed off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverfish Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 (edited) Oh no - so sorry to hear about Throp's issues! Osteoarthritis doesn't usually cause progressive bone loss. If anything, you might get extra bone laid down around the joint as a result of the disease - not helpful bone, but not as catastrophic as the changes you get with bone cancer. It's explained very simply here. Rheumatoid arthritis is different - I believe you can get osteoporosis with that. Hoping for the best. All fingers crossed here! Edited May 15, 2015 by silverfish Quote The plural of anecdote is not dataBrambleberry Greyhounds My Etsy Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galgrey Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Sending good thoughts for Throp. Quote Cynthia, & Cristiano, galgoAlways in my heart: Frostman Newdawn Frost, Keno Jet Action & Chloe (NGA racing name unknown), Irys (galgo), Hannah (weim), Cruz (galgo), & Carly CW Your Charming Princess http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=1018857 "It came to me that every time I lose a dog they take a piece of my heart with them. And every new dog who comes into my life, gifts me with a piece of their heart. If I live long enough, all the components of my heart will be dog, and I will become as generous and loving as they are." -- Unknown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moofie Posted May 16, 2015 Author Share Posted May 16, 2015 Oh no - so sorry to hear about Throp's issues! Osteoarthritis doesn't usually cause progressive bone loss. If anything, you might get extra bone laid down around the joint as a result of the disease - not helpful bone, but not as catastrophic as the changes you get with bone cancer. It's explained very simply here. Rheumatoid arthritis is different - I believe you can get osteoporosis with that. Hoping for the best. All fingers crossed here! Perhaps wasn't very clear if density loss or gain? Vet doesn't think osteosarcoma anyway due to fact he had lameness last July time so would probably be dead by now. There's a bone spur growth coming off outside of wrist, where the swelling is. Thanks for link silverfish just wish vets were as helpful at the moment. Had Richard Tor not been retiring & shutting practice, I'd have taken Throp back there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverhound Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Your Froppychops is one of my absolute favorite dogs here. I have no advice, but lots of good wishes for all of you. He just seems like the best damn dog ever. Quote Masterful Joe and Naughty N Nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverfish Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Let us know what they say! Fingers and paws crossed here. x Quote The plural of anecdote is not dataBrambleberry Greyhounds My Etsy Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moofie Posted May 22, 2015 Author Share Posted May 22, 2015 (edited) Your Froppychops is one of my absolute favorite dogs here. I have no advice, but lots of good wishes for all of you. He just seems like the best damn dog ever.He is a great dog, smart & knows his own mind, but so easy to have around, if I could copy his character to keep always I'd be very tempted even though I don't agree with cloning Chased up vet's today but he's still not heard from his boss about the xrays, don't feel its acceptable to be waiting 2 weeks to get an opinion! Feel like getting digital copies of xrays & going elsewhere. Throps due his next Cartrophen injection soon so need to know treatment plan as that doesn't interact with some things. Edited May 22, 2015 by moofie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeylasMom Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Send the x-rays to Dr. Couto and be done with it. Its ridiculous you don't have answers yet. You can btw have odd bone growth in addition to the bone loss with osteo. Sincerely hope that's not what it is, but I would want some answers. Quote Jen, CPDT-KA with Zuri, lab in a greyhound suit, Violet, formerly known as Faith, Skye, the permanent puppy, Cisco, resident cat, and my baby girl Neyla, forever in my heart "The great thing about science is that you're free to disagree with it, but you'll be wrong." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustSnoozing Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 This is a very long time to wait. I would strongly consider trying to get answers elsewhere. Quote Dippy (Dinky Dipstick) and Velvet (Redbrick Velvet). Remembering sweet handsome Rebel (Emporio Rebel). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moofie Posted May 22, 2015 Author Share Posted May 22, 2015 (edited) Does anyone know how much it is for Dr Couto's practice to review xrays? I looked at the site but got bit baffled with technical terms to know which pricing applied. Thanks NeylasMom didn't know that, I don't want it assumed just on timeframe only to discover he's been really unlucky & it be a secondary issue to original lameness. Edited May 22, 2015 by moofie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeylasMom Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Does anyone know how much it is for Dr Couto's practice to review xrays? I looked at the site but got bit baffled with technical terms to know which pricing applied. Thanks NeylasMom didn't know that, I don't want it assumed just on timeframe only to discover he's been really unlucky & it be a secondary issue to original lameness. Yeah, the bone loss is called osteolysis, but there is also something called periosteal growth (have also seen it referred to as sclerotic lesions) that can occur as a result of osteo. You can one, the other, or both. This is a bit technical, but explains it and has a few images from x-rays pointing each out: http://cal.vet.upenn.edu/projects/saortho/chapter_73/73mast.htm How old is Throp? Quote Jen, CPDT-KA with Zuri, lab in a greyhound suit, Violet, formerly known as Faith, Skye, the permanent puppy, Cisco, resident cat, and my baby girl Neyla, forever in my heart "The great thing about science is that you're free to disagree with it, but you'll be wrong." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbhounds Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Dr Couto's new program is up and running. It's actually cheaper for you to join as a member to get a consult. As an added bonus there's a bunch of other cool discounts included in your membership fee. http://greyhoundhealthinitiative.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moofie Posted May 26, 2015 Author Share Posted May 26, 2015 (edited) Throp will be 10 in September so wear & tear issues are to expected, he didn't race but his gait has always seemed a bit odd head held low and flicks his toes so not as easy to spot when lame as others and looking at photos between him & other greys his paws seem to turn outwards. Thanks for the links very useful! I couldn't even find the pricing on couto's website after but maybe that's as I'm on mobile. Heard back from Vet, his boss thinks not osteosarcoma but would like to see Throp as think maybe an issue further up the leg but they didn't xray that bit , I did tell vet at pre- consult that the Canine sports vet we saw felt there maybe an older shoulder injury causing the lopsidedness he commented on. Decided to get a consult with boss at referal clinic but unfortunately as we can't make 1st so next available slot is 12th, unless they manage to squeeze us in as we rang and asked vet if he could suggest anywhere else we could try as Throps due his Cartrophen in next week or 2 so a treatment plan needs deciding, we could also do with getting an idea of future costs so we can have a boiler that works Froppychops I love you more than hot baths & a warm house! Edited May 26, 2015 by moofie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moofie Posted June 16, 2015 Author Share Posted June 16, 2015 Just had appointment at referal clinic and left Mr Froppychops in for some diagnostics. His right shoulder & elbow doesn't tuck in as much as left so that's also being looked at. So doing xrays, possibly MRI & arthroscopy(sp?). Throp didn't want to stay in the kennel, can't say I blame him with one measly piece of vetbed it wasn't upto greyhound standards of comfort. Got to ring at 2pm to check on him so going to try keep busy till then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macoduck Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Getting Dr Couto to review films without being a member of his new service is $120. Thinking goods thoughts for Throp. Quote Freshy (Droopys Fresh), NoAh the podenco orito, Rita the podenco maneta, Howie the portuguese podengo maneto Angels: Lila, the podenco, Mr X aka Denali, Lulu the podenco andaluz, Hada the podenco maneta, Georgie Girl (UMR Cordella), Charlie the iggy, Mazy (CBR Crazy Girl), Potato, my mystery ibizan girl, Allen (M's Pretty Boy), Percy (Fast But True), Mikey (Doray's Patuti), Pudge le mutt, Tessa the iggy, Possum (Apostle), Gracie (Dusty Lady), Harold (Slatex Harold), "Cousin" Simon our step-iggy, Little Dude the iggy ,Bandit (Bb Blue Jay), Niña the galgo, Wally (Allen Hogg), Thane (Pog Mo Thoine), Oliver (JJ Special Agent), Comet, & Rosie our original mutt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moofie Posted June 16, 2015 Author Share Posted June 16, 2015 I did email to ask cost & my vet sent xray copies to us by email but they weren't very good quality so figured by time I got that sorted & heard back from couto I'd have this appointment. They didn't xray as far up as elbow/shoulder area last time, tbh feel like we should've just gone to referal centre to start rather than see our general vet as spent £500 there already & maybe it could've all been done in one go. Just rang to check on him & he's in MRI machine now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remolacha Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 hope you get some answers (and they aren't bad!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carronstar Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Praying for only good news for Throp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moofie Posted June 16, 2015 Author Share Posted June 16, 2015 Picked up Mr froppychops at 7.30pm he's now sporting a bald leg and is on strict rest just toilet trips for next 2 weeks with restricted exercise till end of july and no jumping, so sofa's are out. He had the works xrays, MRI, arthroscope on elbow and some shock wave therapy. Turns out that Throp has broken his right humerus in past, it has healed relatively well in right place but is thicker than left side. Apparently he has niggles bilaterally in elbows, along with wrist.Back there next Monday for a check up. Today's bill was £1760 ($2750) and I'm praying the insurance doesn't try to wriggle out of paying because of the broken leg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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