Chronic Ulcerative Paradental Stomatitis (Cups)

[Guest Guppy]

Hi All:

 

I was wondering if anyone has any experiences they can share regarding this condition. My 8 year old greyhound Max's dental specialist thinks he may have this condition. His teeth were cleaned under anaesthetic a year ago and again 5 months ago not under anaesthetic (and not under the gums). His teeth are relatively clean but his gums are very inflamed and red.

 

I am particularly interested in anyone's experience with biopsies to confirm the diagnosis and any product that anyone is having success with that reduces plague accumulation.

 

We have also been using Healthy Mouth for 2 years and he is raw fed and eats raw meat and bones.

 

Thanks all,

 

Leanne Tucker

[Charlies_Dad]

Hi Leanne,

 

We adopted Stewie in December and noticed his teeth had a lot of tartar and he had inflamed gums. After the dental, he continued to have inflamed gums so we had a biopsy done and CUPS was confirmed based on our vets description (he did not use the term CUPS as that would have been easier to remember!). We are brushing and spraying his teeth daily however the fact is someday in the future it is likely he will lose all his teeth and we hope that is a ways in the future. I do have a document on CUPS however I don't believe I can attach it to this post.

[mom2four]

I also believe Ambi may have this, although it's not confirmed. He had two dentals 4 months apart and lost 13 and 9 teeth respectively. He needs another dental. His gums are always badly inflamed but his teeth are OK. The vet said "He's allergic to his tartar".

Kyle would you be able to copy and paste the info you have or is is too long? I'd love to have a copy of it.

 

Thank you,

 

Tin

[tuff]

My girl also has had terribly red and inflamed gums with severe tooth recession. Teeth otherwise look OK. We've also not been given that diagnosis but it sounds similar. I have been able to control/reverse it with anal retentive brushing 2x/day with CET toothpaste. It has made a remarkable difference but I can't miss one day. One brushing a day was not effective.

[Guest Guppy]

Thanks all. I ordered some Proden Plaque Off and some Ora Vet to see if they will help to slow the progression any as well.

[Guest jetska]

Sorry to dig up this old thread but wondering how these guys are going with their teeth? Barbie has already had 3 cleans with extractions, I think she was 4 years old when she had her first lot. She is 7. The disease in her mouth seems to be gaining pace and she needs more teeth out. I brush every night, she eats kibble, chicken necks and hard dental type treats like greenies..... and my other dogs don't have teeth issues like hers or breath like hers!

 

I'm wondering if we should just bite the bullet and have most of her teeth out now to save future pain, or perhaps just extract the teeth that really need to be gone now and go for a biopsy ?

 

Her teeth don't look bad at all until the gums just come away from them.... one of her very back teeth which doesn't have an opposing tooth any more has turned black in the last two weeks! I really hate the thought of my baby having no teeth, but she is a really tough dog and I know that she is in pain and just not telling us.

 

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I forgot to add that she has already been diagnosed with one VERY rare in greyhounds immune mediated disease - Metatarsal Fistulation of the German Shepherd Dog! - that is in remission after using a topical immunosuppressant cream .... after $6k+ worth of surgery, tests and imaging the deratologist diagnosed and treated her!

Edited October 21, 2014 by jetska

[Charlies_Dad]

Stewie's teeth are okay. He gets turkey necks and antlers to chew on and unfortunately will bleed a bit when chewing the latter. We know it's a losing fight but we'll keep battling and as soon as there is any sign of pain and/or worsening, we will make a decision then.

 

Just wanted to add that our angel Shelby came to us at 11 yrs old with horrid teeth. No CUPS, just teeth that had been paid no attention. First dental she lost 17 teeth and the second dental she lost all the rest but here canines. It was a losing battle with her and we wanted her pain-free and safe from any possible side effects. She got along fine with basically no teeth as we fed her home cooked food.

Edited October 21, 2014 by Charlies_Dad

[Guest IrskasMom]

This is Interresting. Morty is going in for a Dental on Friday .That is exactly one Year since his last Dental and his Gum's are severly inflamed . I belief that is where his poor Eating actually stems from. I will deffinitly ask my Vet about CUPS .

 

Is there already a Poll ! How often does your Grey gets a Dental : every Year once . every other Year . I feel , I have failed my Pup by his poor Teeth . He will not let me brush his Teeth . No Way.

[Guest jetska]

This is Interresting. Morty is going in for a Dental on Friday .That is exactly one Year since his last Dental and his Gum's are severly inflamed . I belief that is where his poor Eating actually stems from. I will deffinitly ask my Vet about CUPS .

 

Is there already a Poll ! How often does your Grey gets a Dental : every Year once . every other Year . I feel , I have failed my Pup by his poor Teeth . He will not let me brush his Teeth . No Way.

 

I feel that our vet is going to be a bit shocked when she sees the back teeth that seem to be effected now. I do brush Barbie's teeth and she is very good about it considering it must hurt. The vet said that her gums are very sensitive and that what got me looking for other possibilities aside from just the non descriptive 'oh you got one with bad teeth'. It will be interesting to see what the vet says about it.