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Chase went to bed his usual hell on wheels self Monday and woke up moving in slo-mo Tuesday morning. Some research since then led me to think LS.

 

He has trouble getting up from lying down and trouble climbing up stairs and onto beds and sofas. It looks a bit like he's dragging his left rear foot at times. Soonest appointment I could get him was tomorrow at 2. I'm giving him tramadol in the meantime. He's very sad, very subdued.

 

As I mentioned, until Tuesday he was a lunatic. Beat me up at meal time and every time I walked in the door. Now he just lies on a dog bed and trembles.

 

He's 7 until December 26 and a big boy who raced at 85. He's still around racing weight; because of his size I worried about added pounds stressing his frame too much.

 

I'll hopefully know more after the vet tomorrow, but any thoughts about what's going on with him in the meantime would be appreciated.

 

I hate seeing him so sad. He's like a shell of himself.

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Sounds like a POSSIBLE back problem. Maybe he tweaked something? Particulary if you know he was acting like a nut just prior. Try not to worry just yet! He probably needs some rest and NSAIDs and then he'll be right as rain!


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Sounds like a POSSIBLE back problem. Maybe he tweaked something? Particulary if you know he was acting like a nut just prior. Try not to worry just yet! He probably needs some rest and NSAIDs and then he'll be right as rain!

 

What was so weird is he slept with us, so I know there wasn't some major event in the middle of the night. He went to bed feeling just fine, had a quiet night's sleep and woke up not himself. I do hope it's something minor that will resolve with rest, but so far he seems to be a bit worse than he was at first.

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(Reward RJ). Fosters check in, but they don't check out.
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Tracey, you may want to have his back x-rayed for possible disc problems. For it to come on so suddenly it makes me think he tweaked something, maybe by just moving wrong.

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Ever awakened with a stiff neck? (What we used to call "a crick" in your neck?) That doesn't go away quickly--you can be stiff all day--and all you did was have a normal night's sleep.

 

This may not be Chase's problem, but I just wanted to point out that soreness and moving funny doesn't require an actual injury event.

 

I've got an elderly boy with spinal arthritis and a slightly herniated disk. Different parts of his back bother him different days. He's on meloxicam, gabapentin, tramadol, and methocarbamol. The latter is a muscle relaxer (aka Robaxin), because when his back bothers him, he tenses his muscles and moves very badly and with a lot of pain. (Yelping when he stands up and lies down.) Those are a lot of pills, but he's not groggy or eternally sleepy. (That is, he doesn't sleep any more than my younger greyhound.) And these days, when Sam sleeps, sometimes he sleeps flat out on the floor; other times he sleeps like this:

 

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I'm sure that can't be comfortable, but it works for Sam.

 

But I've gotten a good sense of when he's uncomfortable, and I can adjust his meds. Sam doesn't do stairs anymore, doesn't get on beds or sofas. But some days are worse than others--he manages to "tweak" his back without any sort of recognizable injury.

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In my experience, LS is not really overnight, but I'm no expert. With Rex I could easily see when the depo shot was wearing off, but it was graded...sort of like "I need to get him in next week"...not tomorrow. I am beating myself up right now because in retrospect I didn't pay enough attention to the creeping up signs with Buddy.

 

Agree with the others that Chase may have a pinched nerve or a disc problem. Keep us posted.

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LS dogs usually stand with their back legs a bit bent and their backs slope downward.

 

 

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Thought I'd update in case this sheds any light. We were gone for 9 hours last night, during which time Chase did not move. I know this because if we leave him for more than two hours and with no belly band, he pees on stuff. ALWAYS. And when we got home last night not a thing had been marked.

 

Anyway, Chase got up, greeted us tail wagging. He was so happy, almost seemed like he wanted to jump on us but didn't. Soon after, as he started moving - went outside, had dinner, etc - he quickly got worse. By bedtime he was as bad as ever, practically dragging his left rear foot. So I gave him tramadol and hope he'll just rest till his appointment as the complete lack of movement seemed to help.

 

Does this information point more towards any one conclusion? Thanks for any thoughts.

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(Reward RJ). Fosters check in, but they don't check out.
Forever loved -- Cosmo (System Br Mynoel), March 11, 2002 - October 8, 2009.
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This seems more like a tweaked back, less like LS to me.

 

When he pees in the house, does he lift his leg? Even that might be painful if his back is bothering him. And just standing up and lying down could be painful with back problems.

 

Does he start to shake--a water-in-his-coat kind of shake--and then stop abruptly? That's another sign of back pain.

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No, he hasn't done the shake you describe. Would something in his back make him drag his left foot to where it sometimes curls under?

...............Chase (FTH Smooth Talker), Morgan (Cata), Reggie (Gable Caney), Rufus
(Reward RJ). Fosters check in, but they don't check out.
Forever loved -- Cosmo (System Br Mynoel), March 11, 2002 - October 8, 2009.
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I'd be headed for the acupuncturist and getting him started on prednisone.

 

Carrie injured her lower back in May and had a pinched nerve. Prednisone, acupuncture, tramadol, and robaxin were our saviors.

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Would something in his back make him drag his left foot to where it sometimes curls under?

 

Yes, spinal cord disease or injury could cause this.

Have you ever had any neurological issues with Chase?

 

Nothing like this. He had one weird episode three years ago where he got up off the couch, appeared not to see where he was and walked across the room into the wall. Our vet at the time thought that was heart-related, though. In the 3 years since he's been perfectly healthy.

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...............Chase (FTH Smooth Talker), Morgan (Cata), Reggie (Gable Caney), Rufus
(Reward RJ). Fosters check in, but they don't check out.
Forever loved -- Cosmo (System Br Mynoel), March 11, 2002 - October 8, 2009.
Miss Cosmo was a lady. And a lady always knows when to leave.

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Hmmm... the paw-dragging (knuckling over) is the one thing that's making me think spinal/disc problem. That being said, it could be a million things ranging from the serious to not-very-serious. Let us know what you come up with after the vet appointment.

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If they do xrays, can I suggest considering xraying the leg he is limping on as well as the spine? I don't want to scare you, and Ruger was actually limping, not dragging, his leg, but what my vet at first thought was compressed discs turned out to be a tumor in his knee joint. My gut said xray his leg on the first visit and I didn't listen so it took 2 more weeks and a trip to a specialist to find the tumor.

 

Good luck and hoping for a "good" diagnosis this afternoon for you.

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This doesn't sound like LS to me, especially with him greeting you happily one moment, then being in noticeable pain the next. The difficulty with stairs, getting on furniture, etc. could point to LS developing, as could the knuckle dragging, but the sudden onset doesn't. As Robin said, a dog with LS usually always stands with the rear legs bent and down a bit. Of course, it's possible there's more than one thing going on - or a more recent injury is exacerbating LS that was developing.

 

Definitely would see the vet and look at getting a consult with an ortho and/or a neurologist. Probably a neuro who's in a practice where he can also consult with an ortho would be ideal.

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It would be useful to also get a full blood panel so they can evaluate kidney liver etc. There are some metabolic disorders that could also cause the back end weakness or knuckling under (e.g., diabetes). I hope that the vet will be able to diagnose the problem quickly so you can get some treatment started and he will be on the way to recovery.

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We're still in the midst of the exam. They're doing xrays and blood work.

...............Chase (FTH Smooth Talker), Morgan (Cata), Reggie (Gable Caney), Rufus
(Reward RJ). Fosters check in, but they don't check out.
Forever loved -- Cosmo (System Br Mynoel), March 11, 2002 - October 8, 2009.
Miss Cosmo was a lady. And a lady always knows when to leave.

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