EnzaFerrari Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Over the past few days, I had noticed Enza was licking her anus area more. I figured it was her anal glands again, which was a few months earlier than normal but not too surprising. Yesterday when giving her a bath, I noticed a rather hard lump at the base of her tail right above the anus. Today we saw the vet as I had no idea and was really hoping it was an anal gland issue. Well it wasn't. We stumped the vet for the most part. The lump was hard to the touch and Miss Diva Princes Enza Marie did not flinch when she was poking it and manipulating it nor when she aspirated the lump. We did express her glands and they weren't full. The sample she drew only had blood with some pockets of bacteria so the current plan is to treat her for 14 days with anti-biotics and use warm compresses. The other concern is that it is a bloody tumor and if the treatment doesn't work, the vet would consider removing the lump. The concern with the removal is that it might affect her anus muscles. So any thoughts on what a lump that does not manifest pain could be? The one good thing is that I love love love love love this vet. It was a new office of the practice and she is probably fresh out of vet school. However, Enza LOVED her, she was very personable and she fully understands the greyhound idiosyncrasies to the point of saying she hates putting greyhounds under and would bring in a water bed for Enza if we had to go that route. It was so nice to not have to explain it and she was really interested in the work OSU is doing and wants me to send her information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbhounds Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Did the vet mention perianal adenoma? I assume the cytology is being read at the lab by a pathologist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeylasMom Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Was the lump hard as in rock hard or hard because it was filled with fluid? Neyla had a small bump at the base of her tail, maybe a few cm wide? that we couldn't really figure out either. This was going on when she was diagnosed with osteo so it wasn't a huge priority but we tried a topical that had steroids in it and shortly after he nose got some edema - the only think I could think was that the cream caused the edema when she licked it off. Anyway, we stopped the cream and just left the bump alone, but again, we had more serious stuff going on. It always looked like it was filled with blood, but we never aspirated it. I'll see if I can find the photo. Quote Jen, CPDT-KA with Zuri, lab in a greyhound suit, Violet, formerly known as Faith, Skye, the permanent puppy, Cisco, resident cat, and my baby girl Neyla, forever in my heart "The great thing about science is that you're free to disagree with it, but you'll be wrong." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnzaFerrari Posted November 12, 2012 Author Share Posted November 12, 2012 Did the vet mention perianal adenoma? I assume the cytology is being read at the lab by a pathologist? Umm...maybe? And yes - it is being sent to a pathologist. Jen - it does have blood in it as it is bleeding from where the needle took the sample. And been doing so consistently for about 20 minutes now. I just put a bandage on it and she is not happy but the only output is bright red blood - no pus, just blood. It was very hard but causes her no pain, not even now that it is bleeding again. It is dark vs flesh covered if that helps. It's just weird. I am hoping it's some sort of blood blister irritated from her licking? It is about a centimeter across and half as deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeylasMom Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 That sounds a lot like what Neyla had although hers didn't feel hard, it felt fluid filled. I looked for the photo I took, but couldn't find it. She had hers for quite a while now that I've thought about it more. I think it started to get a little bigger and that's why we tried the cream, but for a long time we just watched it and it didn't change much. It never bothered her. And it sort of came out of nowhere so to speak, one day I just noticed it was there. Anyway, this is pretty useless because even if she has the same thing, I never figured out what it was, but maybe it helps to know that Neyla's didn't require attention for probably a couple of years? Oh wait, I just found them. These are from earlier on. It got a *little* bigger and darker (looking like it had blood in it) later on. Sorry, they're really crappy pics from my old non-smartphone. And warning, the pics are a little pornographic. Quote Jen, CPDT-KA with Zuri, lab in a greyhound suit, Violet, formerly known as Faith, Skye, the permanent puppy, Cisco, resident cat, and my baby girl Neyla, forever in my heart "The great thing about science is that you're free to disagree with it, but you'll be wrong." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnzaFerrari Posted November 13, 2012 Author Share Posted November 13, 2012 Oh this is much much bigger. When the vet and vet tech first saw it, they both said, "woah". I'd say it's a smidge smaller than a dime. But it doesn't seem to be bothering her so not sure how to address it if the antibiotics do nothing.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnzaFerrari Posted November 14, 2012 Author Share Posted November 14, 2012 The vet called to say it is an <insert word I missed> anal gland tumor. It is very likely bengin but he said surgery should be considered so it doesn't get any better. Anyone have thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverfish Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Jack had a whole bunch of 'tumours' around his anus when we adopted him and we were told that some had been removed, and classified as 'benign' but had grown back and the vet had recommended leaving them - because of their pathology history and because he was an old dog already. So, I didn't investigate them further, which perhaps I should have done. About eighteen months later, they'd grown larger and one had a sore place on it, so I took him to my own vet. I'm talking about three or four hard lumps, each an inch or more in diameter, and yes, they were dark. My vet took a look, picked up a wad of gauze and gave the sore one a gentle squeeze. I was horrified .. but out came masses of white-ish stuff mixed with blood - not pus, kind of dry and 'cheesy'. Turned out they were impacted sebaceous glands! He opened them all, and gave me some antiseptic to wash them out with daily, and they healed and never returned. Quote The plural of anecdote is not dataBrambleberry Greyhounds My Etsy Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbhounds Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 The vet called to say it is an <insert word I missed> anal gland tumor. It is very likely bengin but he said surgery should be considered so it doesn't get any better. Anyone have thoughts? I hope you misunderstood your vet--anal gland tumor's can often be narly-adenocarcinoma. Perianal adenoma is the diagnosis you would what to hear :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnzaFerrari Posted November 18, 2012 Author Share Posted November 18, 2012 The vet called to say it is an <insert word I missed> anal gland tumor. It is very likely bengin but he said surgery should be considered so it doesn't get any better. Anyone have thoughts? I hope you misunderstood your vet--anal gland tumor's can often be narly-adenocarcinoma. Perianal adenoma is the diagnosis you would what to hear :-) He very clearly said it was very very likely benign so I am hoping he used tumor as a laymans term as goggling it all freaked me out. She is acting fine otherwise, but I don't think I can delay surgery until Christmas. Every time she poops, she sort of hovers and walks a bit hunched for few moments so I am thinking it is applying pressure to that general area and either hurting her or making her think she still has to go. She isn't licking back there or stretching a lot and everything else is normal so I don't think she is constipated or has a partial blockage. The vet that saw her is on vacation still but I plan on talking to her soon. The one I did talk to I have never felt comfortable with nor have other people that go to that practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverfish Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 He very clearly said it was very very likely benign so I am hoping he used tumor as a laymans term as goggling it all freaked me out. 'Tumour' is a medical term, and covers both benign and malignant lumps and bumps. Don't fret too much. If she's having trouble or discomfort pooping, though, I'd definitely want it gone as soon as practicable. Quote The plural of anecdote is not dataBrambleberry Greyhounds My Etsy Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peacehound Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Peace had one, a perianal tumor removed, it was benign...however, recovery was rough she did not go to the bathroom for a week, even with softeners and she had an abscess right near the incision..took so long to heal and caused her real anxiety(and us!) good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnzaFerrari Posted November 18, 2012 Author Share Posted November 18, 2012 Peace had one, a perianal tumor removed, it was benign...however, recovery was rough she did not go to the bathroom for a week, even with softeners and she had an abscess right near the incision..took so long to heal and caused her real anxiety(and us!) good luck! Yeah - the recovery is what I'm really worried about as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeylasMom Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 that it's a simple procedure and recovery. Doesn't sound fun. Quote Jen, CPDT-KA with Zuri, lab in a greyhound suit, Violet, formerly known as Faith, Skye, the permanent puppy, Cisco, resident cat, and my baby girl Neyla, forever in my heart "The great thing about science is that you're free to disagree with it, but you'll be wrong." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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