Considering A Greyhound: Running Question

[gazehund]

All I can say is I never regret one day of letting Riddick run free and wild in the woods/beach and enjoying his time on earth. Life is too short to spend it restrained at the end of leash all the time.

 

But I do think it makes a difference of a single Greyhound running vs. running in a pack. The pack mentality helps keeps them together. Casper is the leader and very rarely will one of the dogs pass him. He takes the lead and the others follow.

 

Also not every dog nor every situation is appropriate for being off leash. You have to know your dog and know the area. Use commonsense.

 

 

Why would I care about your response or your opinion? A personal decision.

 

Amen! And if you lose that boy, just check my house

 

Get in line girl. I would have to lose him first though wouldn't I ?

[Guest FastDogsOwnMe]

All I can say is I never regret one day of letting Riddick run free and wild in the woods/beach and enjoying his time on earth. Life is too short to spend it restrained at the end of leash all the time.

 

But I do think it makes a difference of a single Greyhound running vs. running in a pack. The pack mentality helps keeps them together. Casper is the leader and very rarely will one of the dogs pass him. He takes the lead and the others follow.

 

Also not every dog nor every situation is appropriate for being off leash. You have to know your dog and know the area. Use commonsense.

 

 

Why would I care about your response or your opinion? A personal decision.

 

Amen! And if you lose that boy, just check my house

 

Get in line girl. I would have to lose him first though wouldn't I ?

 

Well a bitch can dream, right??!!! <G>

[Guest Capslock]

Of my five greys, only one earned the right to be off leash after several years of perfect recall (and still only when far from a road.) Another two could cautiously be trusted when hiking or at the beach. Marbles, my current young girl, will probably never be able to be off-leash except when in a 100% fenced park. She's just too into other things and people and dogs and...

 

But they all love a good dog park session, even though Satchel who turns 10 this year just likes to sniff around.

 

I think most of the advice here is good - wait till you know your dog well and proceed with extra caution. Don't assume anything. I'd never let a dog off leash even in a fenced dog park unless they showed they could get along with all kinds of dogs, big and small (and people!)

[Guest Greyt_dog_lover]

Well as this post has morphed, once again, into the on vs off leash argument. I will bring up my last point. In my original post here, I formulated my response to a first time greyhound owner. I further pointed to facts concerning lost greyhounds in the Chicagoland area.

 

Others here love to post how they have their hounds off leash, and have never had one run away.

 

You are not helping the OP in the fact that you are putting your years of experience with the breed and possibly years with your specific hound into the statement that there is no reason a greyhound cannot be allowed off-leash. What you are doing is very dangerous to the hound that the new greyhound owner adopts. The new owner may look at your post and take it at face value that anyone can let their hound run free as long as they put a little time into training recall. So before you start touting your personal belief, take a look at the situation and be more responsible.

 

Do I allow my hounds off-leash in an unsecured area, yes, when? LGRA runs. In all actuality I do understand where there are times when it is acceptable to be allowed off-leash. In the wilderness out west say Arizona or Wyoming, yea when you have 1000 acres near nothing.

 

My post here and explanation is based in facts about the breed, facts about lost hounds, and understanding of behavior. Other posts here are based on "personal preference".

 

Think about the hounds first, not your own ego and personal opinions of myself.

[Guest GreyHawk]

As usual it was a discussion until you started firing off your Fundamentalist views.

 

You tout your opinions as facts and decry anyone else's opinions.

[Guest Greyt_dog_lover]

Greyhawk, when you get 50 posts PM me. You are making this very personal and this message board is not the place for antagonistic remarks. My email is: shoebooty1@gmail.com should you wish to continue your smattering directly.

[greysandmollie]

Hi there. We're considering adopting a greyhound and I suspect this will the first of many questions I will ask of this board or search it for. We've heard some contradictory information in regards to it so I'm hoping someone can help me: I understand that greyhounds like/need to be run from time to time: 1) How often do you take your dogs out for a really good run and 2) Where do you do it? I know that a fenced-in dog park would seem ideal, but I've hear that this may not be the case because the greyhound may chase smaller dogs - is this true? We have a postage stamp sized yard and would need to take it to a fenced in dog park, but how do we handle the possibility (if true) that the greyhound may chase other dogs?

 

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated ad I would be happy to have whatever misconceptions I may hold cleared up.

 

Thanks,

 

C.

 

 

Here is the funniest part of this whole thread...the OP never really implied they were planning on running their dog off lead in an area that was not fenced. Specifically asked about dog parks and how to handle the chase instinct....which you all completely lost focus of...

 

My two cents is that I wouldn't take a retired racer to a dog park for a while. I would do long walks and they can burn steam off in a pretty tight circle in your yard probably. After you get to know the dog and see what type of a prey instinct it has then I would try it early in the AM when there are few dogs there and no small ones.

 

Best of Luck!

[Guest BrianRke]

Hi there. We're considering adopting a greyhound and I suspect this will the first of many questions I will ask of this board or search it for. We've heard some contradictory information in regards to it so I'm hoping someone can help me: I understand that greyhounds like/need to be run from time to time: 1) How often do you take your dogs out for a really good run and 2) Where do you do it? I know that a fenced-in dog park would seem ideal, but I've hear that this may not be the case because the greyhound may chase smaller dogs - is this true? We have a postage stamp sized yard and would need to take it to a fenced in dog park, but how do we handle the possibility (if true) that the greyhound may chase other dogs?

 

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated ad I would be happy to have whatever misconceptions I may hold cleared up.

 

Thanks,

 

C.

 

 

Here is the funniest part of this whole thread...the OP never really implied they were planning on running their dog off lead in an area that was not fenced. Specifically asked about dog parks and how to handle the chase instinct....which you all completely lost focus of...

 

My two cents is that I wouldn't take a retired racer to a dog park for a while. I would do long walks and they can burn steam off in a pretty tight circle in your yard probably. After you get to know the dog and see what type of a prey instinct it has then I would try it early in the AM when there are few dogs there and no small ones.

 

Best of Luck!

I thought I was the only one who noticed that

[MaryJane]

While some people have brought up that the OP was not talking specifically about going off-leash someplace other than a dog park unfortunately, the first post changed the tone of the question.

 

 

This will start a war. I off leash my dogs in the woods and on beaches, with lots of training. Most Americans will kill you for that. Most Brits will say it is normal... it's cultural! Some groups forbid it... I would not adopt from one that did.

 

Use a muzzle at dog parks and ask small dog owners to keep their dogs in the SMALL DOG section.

 

 

This is not really information that you want to have a newbie walking away with. I've talked with many potential owners at Meet-n-greets and if these people heard something like this they would walk away with the thought in their head that "it's OK to let a greyhound loose". This should not be about what a particular person is able to accomplish with their greyhound - it's about what the typical owner is going to be able to accomplish and that is certainly NOT going to be taking the dog off-leash.

[Guest jbbuzby]

Didn't read everyone's responses, but the best of both worlds is to either go to a dog park that separates the big and small dogs, or to just go to the park at strange hours when other people aren't there. I am a member of my local dog park, but admittedly will not go if other dogs are there, and I always muzzle my two when we go in. There is more to worry about than your dog going all prey-drive on other small dogs; a play bite can equal several stitches when it might barely scratch another dog. To me, the risk isn't worth it. So, either they run/play with other greyhounds (muzzled), they run alone, or they don't run at all.

 

Honestly though, if you walk them briskly for 30 minutes a day, running isn't a priority. Mine, even with dog park membership, only go every other week or so.

 

The point is, you can still have a happy, healthy greyhound, even if it doesn't get to run much, if ever.

[Guest issy]

We used to think it was vital for enzo to run off-leash. Eh. We jog with him twice a day and he's pooped. If we go a few days without jogging (snow/ice) he'll do about 3 minutes of crazy zoomies, throwing around a chewie, and then sleep for 8 hours. It all depends on the dog - Enzo is almost 4. He did great at dog parks BUT I generally can't stand most other dog owners. Too many stupid husky owners yelling "HEEL" from across the park at their aggressive dogs ( that sure helped, smartie). Too many domininant dogs going around and peeing on the other dogs while the owners laughed. UGH. Plus you never know when they'll get parasites, etc. But that was just one park - we had another we loved but it was just a HUGE fenced in field, and Enzo just wanted to wander the perimeter and sniff grass blades. Then he'd double back to make sure he didn't miss any grass blades. We'd rather just walk him to gas stations and get him a hot dog or something, LOL! I think he likes that better too.

 

Just agree to whatever rules the adoption group has. Then get to know your dog. I'd take them to a dog-park on-leash first. Also, ask for a hound that is small dog safe, because people just love to take fluffy in the big dog side. "Oh, she's great with big dogs!" UHHHMM that's not the point, sir!

 

Good luck. Also, I wouldn't take Enzo off leash anywhere. We've only had him 1.5 years, and recall training aside, he ignores me when off leash most of the time. Unless I yell wanna cookie? He's just in his zone. On leash? Perfect. We'll stick to that. The pamphlet titles "Trust - the Deadliest Disease" or something was in my adoption packet and it got the message through.

 

I ramble a lot,

[MP_the4pack]

My general physician ended up adopting a greyhound because she fell in love with mine (they go everywhere with me if temperature is ok).

 

I told her I never take them off leash. Her adoption group told her not to take her off leash.

 

After just a few months, they were hiking in the woods, away from traffic and thought it would be safe to let her off leash. She bolted after a deer and her body was found about a mile away next to a road. Hit by a car.

[Guest Gemma]

I'm from England, currently living in Rhode Island. I don't care what kind of dog people have; NO dog should be off leash unless it has a SOLID recall, and even then it should be in a suitable area (i.e. Not by a road)With sighthounds, I do think there's a higher chance of them becoming distracted. Plus, greyhounds can sure run a lot further in a shorter time than other breeds!

 

As for whether they need to run or not, I agree with those who say it depends on the individual greyhound. My boy, Peyton, retired with a bad leg and has never shown much enthusiasm for running because of it. He will occasionally do happy zoomies but usually in a very small circle. Now that he is older, we cannot let him run at all due to the swelling it causes in his bad leg.

 

Of the younger and sound greys we have fostered, many have enjoyed running but only two have needed to, and that was more about burning off puppyish energy. We do walk our dogs for AT LEAST 30 minutes a day, and they go out in the yard with a ball so that they have the option to run if they so choose.

 

All dogs need adequate exercise but you get to decide how they get it.

[robinw]

This is a fun thread GT at it's best

 

Chad gives really good advice in this thread and personally I don't think it matters whether the dog was a good racer or not, or if it ever raced at all. That is completely irrelevent.

 

I think dogs need exercise. I also think you have to know your dog very, very well before making a decision to let it off leash. I thought I had a dog who would be fine off leash. Turned out I made a huge mistake and was lucky that there weren't any consequences. One last suggestion: for anybody considering letting their dog off leash, take a look at the Amber Alert thread first.

 

I have a wee yard. Treasure is perfectly happy running full speed around the big oak tree. I take her for long walks and occasionally meet friends for dog walks. that seems to be enough exercise to keep her happy and healthy.

Edited March 14, 2012 by robinw

[3greytjoys]

I think the OP has received a clear message, and agrees with no off leash unless in a safely fenced space when they get their hound.

 

My response is for other readers too. I agree with Greyt_dog_lover (Chad's) original post. One important exception to a latter comment. IMO, it doesn't matter if a Greyhound is loose in 1000 miles of open territory vs. urban area. Besides many dangers of populated areas, open space survival is just as challenging. In our region, there are plenty of mountain lions, bears and other predators that would devour the opportunity to kill a Greyhound. Very likely, few to zero human searchers available, and virtually zero potential for sightings.

 

Besides the poor Greyhound struggling to survive (after a life of domestic protection), these Greyhound losses affect many other people than just the owner and the Greyhound. I'm still deeply affected by an unrecovered Greyhound that I (and a handful of others) traveled many hours to help form search teams repeatedly for months... about 4 years ago. Look at all the concerned GTers who do everything possible from a far to assist in Amber Alert postings across the globe.

 

I agree with Greyt_dog_lover, greyhounds have centuries of running bred into them and then their early life consists of being trained to run and "ignore everything else going on".

 

There's a great writeup about "trust" and the greyhound - maybe someone has it online and will post it.

 

Here is an excerpt...

 

Posted 09 December 2011 - 12:53 PM

Posted by DonnaBehr, Post #5

GT thread: "Trust to Come Back"

 

"Read --"

 

"TRUST – A Deadly Disease

By Sharon Mathers

(Excerpt from Summer 2005 issue of GCNM News)

There is a Deadly disease stalking your dog: a hideous, stealthy thing just waiting its chance to steal your beloved friend. It is not a new disease, or one for which there are inoculations. The disease is called TRUST.

 

You were told before you took your dog home that it could not be trusted. The adoption group, who provided you with this precious animal, warned you, drummed it into your head. "These dogs steal off counters, destroy anything expensive, chase cats, can take a while to housetrain, and must never be allowed off lead!"

 

When the big day finally arrived, heeding the sage advice, you escorted your dog to his new home, properly collared and tagged, the leash held tightly in your hand.

 

At home, the house was "puppy-proofed." Everything of value was stored in the spare bedroom, garbage stowed on top of the refrigerator, cats separated, and a gate placed across the door of the living room to keep at least part of the house "puddle-free." All windows and doors had been properly secured and signs placed in all strategic points reminding all to "CLOSE THE DOOR!"

 

Soon, it becomes second nature to make sure the door closes nine tenths of a second after it was opened and that it really latched. "DON'T LET THE DOG OUT" is your second most verbalized expression. (The first is, "NO!") You worry and fuss constantly, terrified that your darling will get out and a disaster will surely follow. Your friends comment about who you love most, your family or your dog. You know that to relax your vigil for a moment might lose him to you forever.

 

And so the weeks and months pass, with your dog becoming more civilized every day, and the seeds of TRUST are planted. It seems that each new day brings less destruction, less breakage. Almost before you know it, your mischievous and once-unreliable animal companion has turned into an elegant, dignified, trustworthy friend.

 

Now that he is a more reliable, sedate companion, you take him to more places. No longer does he chew the steering wheel when left in the car. And darned if that cake wasn't still on the counter this morning! And, oh yes, wasn't that the cat he was sleeping with so cozily on your pillow last night?

 

At this point you are beginning to become infected. The disease is spreading its roots deep into your mind. And then one of your friends suggests obedience. You shake your head and remind her that your dog might run away if allowed off lead, but you are reassured when she promises the events are held in a fenced area. And, wonder of wonders, he did not run away, but came every time you called him!

 

All winter long you go to weekly obedience classes. And, after a time, you even let him run loose from the car to the house when you get home. Why not, he always runs straight to the door, dancing in a frenzy of joy and waits to be let in. And, remember he comes every time he is called. You know he is the exception that proves the rule. (And sometimes late at night, you even let him slip out the front door to go potty and then right back in.)

 

At this point, the disease has taken hold, waiting only for the right time and place to rear its ugly head.

 

Years pass – it is hard to remember why you ever worried so much when he was new to your home. Now, he would never think of running out of the door left open while you bring in packages from the car. It would be beneath his dignity to jump out of the window or a car while you run into the convenience store. And when you take him for those wonderful long walks at dawn, it only takes one whistle to send him racing back to you in a burst of speed when the walk comes too close to the highway. (He still gets into the garbage, but nobody is perfect!)

 

This is the time the disease has waited for so patiently. Sometimes it only has to wait a year or two, but often it takes much longer.

 

He spies a dog or cat across the street, and suddenly forgets everything he ever knew about not slipping out doors, jumping out windows, or coming when called. Perhaps it was only a paper fluttering in the breeze, or even just the sheer joy of running….stopped in an instant. Stilled forever – your heart is as broken as his still beautiful body.

 

The disease is TRUST. Its final outcome – hit by a car.

 

Every morning my dog, Shah, bounced around off lead exploring. Every morning for seven years he came back when he was called. He was perfectly obedient, perfectly trustworthy. He died fourteen hours after being hit by a car. Please do not risk your friend and your heart. Save the trust for other things."

 

 

(DonnaBehr) "Editor's note: I have personal experience with this disease: one of my dogs exited from my van and, instead of running into the garage as he always had, ran into the nearby forest. He was lost into an unforgiving landscape creating confusion which interfered with his navigational skills I thought were so keen. He was never found, despite the efforts of a large, dedicated search party assisted by a scent hound."

 

-End Post Quote-

[krissy]

I see the baseball bats but where's the dead horse? Oh... there it is.

 

I think this topic has been sufficiently beaten. New owners, keep your dogs on leash at least until you get to know them and do some SERIOUS recall training. Everyone else make the decision you are comfortable with and quit criticizing other people for making theirs. End of discussion.

 

Seriously. You'd think this was grade school.

[Guest mariah]

I see the baseball bats but where's the dead horse? Oh... there it is.

 

I think this topic has been sufficiently beaten. New owners, keep your dogs on leash at least until you get to know them and do some SERIOUS recall training. Everyone else make the decision you are comfortable with and quit criticizing other people for making theirs. End of discussion.

 

Seriously. You'd think this was grade school.

 

[jaym1]

To answer the OPs question: my dog goes through phases. Sometimes he'll go on stretches where any twitch or funny look I give him will set him off, and he'll fly around the dog park like a lunatic until he's tired out. He'll do this every day for several days. Then he also goes through weeks-long stretches where he will absolutely not run. He seems mostly content with walks and trips to the local fenced in dog park, where we know all the dogs and can therefore make safe decisions about when it's ok to go in. What he really enjoys is chasing other dogs.

 

As to the off leash question, I will say the following: a few months after getting him, I took my greyhound to a fully enclosed baseball field to run around in. What I didn't notice was that in one far corner of the park there was a tiny gate that was open. My dog's first course of action was to trot around the entire perimeter of the field, probably just to get a lay of the land. When he got to that corner with the gate, he just kept going straight and walked right out. I didn't even know there was an opening until he was out. I called him back, and he actually tried to listen, but couldn't figure out how to get back to me through the fence. After a few seconds, he was off, and started TROTTING (not sprinting) away from me. This was still much faster than I can run, and I am in pretty good shape. In the blink of an eye he was literally a thousand feet away. I could see him getting more and more excited, first trotting, and then nearly running. This was behind the Harvard football stadium in Allston, Mass., which has several very busy, very high-speeds roads right around it. I absolutely knew he was going to run out into the road and be hit by a car. I got a nauseated, sinking feeling in my chest. I could feel my heart pounding, and all the the horror stories about off-leash greyhounds instantly came back to me. Without exaggeration, I actually felt like I was having a nightmare. Take my word for it, you absolutely do not want to find yourself in this situation. Despite the fact that catching him was utterly futile, I kept running after him and yelling. THANKFULLY, he got distracted by a scent, then stopped to sniff at it long enough for me to almost catch up. At about 50 yards apart, and while still sniffing, he finally responded to my calls, turned around, and trotted back to me smiling and wagging his tail, with not a care in the world,like nothing had happened.

 

I took that experience as a warning. He had no idea how close to instant death he was, but I won't forget it. Let your greyhound run, but not off leash. And if they are off leash, take the 100% fenced in rule seriously. This field was 99% fenced in, but that wasn't good enough. 100% all the time.

Edited March 15, 2012 by jaym1

[winnie]

The thought that greyhounds "need" to run is mostly a myth. There are dogs that live quite well in apartments in the city, who never have the opportunity to run. They get their exercise from daily walks or jogs and are good with that. Remember that a long race for a greyhound lasts less than a minute, and that they run only every fourth or fifth day, so their exercise needs aren't what you would think. And an older dog will usually need less than a younger one or one right off the track.

 

Good luck!

 

I think this point can never be emphasized enough. I get that question a lot at meet and greets, and I think when people envision "needs to run" they think they will need to set up a racetrack in their backyard or something. (Sure, some greys will create their own track, as many pictures here on GT will show, but let's set that aside for this conversation.) Many breeds of dog will go gradually insane if they don't get enough time running or working hard every day. I don't think greyhounds are one of them. One long or two short walks every day is all they NEED. They're the perfect breed for sedentary, elderly and even some disabled people!

 

Agreed x3.

[MaryJane]

I see the baseball bats but where's the dead horse? Oh... there it is.

 

I think this topic has been sufficiently beaten. New owners, keep your dogs on leash at least until you get to know them and do some SERIOUS recall training. Everyone else make the decision you are comfortable with and quit criticizing other people for making theirs. End of discussion.

 

Seriously. You'd think this was grade school.

 

 

Actually, I don't think is has been beaten enough yet -- especially since you are trying to leave the message that off-leash is OK.

 

Many adoption groups have the mantra "not off-leash, not tied up outside, and no flexi-leads" - and, you sign a contract stating that the dog will be on leash or in an enclosed area, at least I did. My word that I gave to the adoption group is good and my dogs are not off-leash.

 

If you want a dog that you can take off-lead there are plenty of other breeds in rescue shelters - go there.

[Guest FastDogsOwnMe]

I would never sign a no off leash agreement

[jaym1]

are those off-leash agreements in any way enforceable? my assumption has always been that they're a more or less token gesture. not that i don't support the idea -- but is there some sort of legal recourse that would allow the agency to repossess a dog at some point if they found out it was off leash?

[krissy]

I see the baseball bats but where's the dead horse? Oh... there it is.

 

I think this topic has been sufficiently beaten. New owners, keep your dogs on leash at least until you get to know them and do some SERIOUS recall training. Everyone else make the decision you are comfortable with and quit criticizing other people for making theirs. End of discussion.

 

Seriously. You'd think this was grade school.

 

 

Actually, I don't think is has been beaten enough yet -- especially since you are trying to leave the message that off-leash is OK.

 

Many adoption groups have the mantra "not off-leash, not tied up outside, and no flexi-leads" - and, you sign a contract stating that the dog will be on leash or in an enclosed area, at least I did. My word that I gave to the adoption group is good and my dogs are not off-leash.

 

If you want a dog that you can take off-lead there are plenty of other breeds in rescue shelters - go there.

 

Actually, no, the message I'm leaving is that everyone has the right to do as they feel fit so long as it is done responsibly. If you choose to accept the risks, assuming it is a reasonable risk and you have done everything in your power to negate it (i.e. off leashing in remote areas and training a proper recall) then that is your business. If you choose not to accept that risk because you are risk averse, cannot or do not want to train a reliable recall, or simply have no interest in ever having a dog off leash, then that too is your perogative. I don't really care what other people do with their dogs so long as it is well thought out and the appropriate measures have been taken.

 

Personally, I think the blanket statement is ridiculous and it actually encourages people to lose their greyhounds and not be able to get them back. Yes, the dog is always on a leash when being walked so it can't take off that way. But it can accidentally pull a lead out of someone's hand, it can accidentally slip out the door. And then because of this blanket statement, many (if not most) greyhounds have very unreliable recall so the diligent owner is unable to get the dog back. Then you have the "irresponsible" folk who allow their dog off leash. The dog has a reliable recall. Honestly, to me that dog is in a lot less danger of ever ending up on an Amber Alert. It's dogs with no recall whether off leashed or who accidentally escape that end up in the Amber Alert. The blanket statement should not be "don't ever off leash your hound". It should be "train your dog". There are probably 15 dogs at our weekly greyhound runs. Summit is the only one who hears his name and changes direction and comes. A fence is not perfect. Who do you think is going to come back if the hounds find a hole in the fence?

 

Honestly, this recurring discussion is ridiculous. It HAS been beaten to death. I'm not getting drawn any farther into this discussion because as I said, it's a personal decision and everyone needs to learn to respect the opinions and decisions of other people. I just don't like when people make up what "message" I'm supposedly leaving. The message I am leaving is officially this...

 

The greatest gift you can give your dog is the ability to reliably respond to two (maybe three) commands: come, stay (and maybe leave it).

 

That's it. That's all.

[Burpdog]

It only takes once to be dead. I gave a dobe to someone and they promised they would not let him run loose. Promise forgotten because he always stayed with the sammy who never left the yard. She did, he followed and they lost two dogs in 5 minutes.

 

 

Actually, I don't think is has been beaten enough yet -- especially since you are trying to leave the message that off-leash is OK.

 

Many adoption groups have the mantra "not off-leash, not tied up outside, and no flexi-leads" - and, you sign a contract stating that the dog will be on leash or in an enclosed area, at least I did. My word that I gave to the adoption group is good and my dogs are not off-leash.

 

If you want a dog that you can take off-lead there are plenty of other breeds in rescue shelters - go there

 

yes....

 

are those off-leash agreements in any way enforceable?

 

how good is a person's word -- isn't that really the question?

 

My dogs always went without collars in the house and yard because of the danger of getting caught or a snapped neck in play.

 

My greyhounds wear tag collars. Why? because I signed an agreement.

[Batmom]

It's dogs with no recall whether off leashed or who accidentally escape that end up in the Amber Alert.

 

Hardly. It's more often dogs who are spooked beyond the ability to respond to any command, or who joyously or curiously range beyond reach of their owner's voice. Recall doesn't enter into it.

 

In a lifetime around dogs, I've known maybe two who had what I would call a reliable recall, and they weren't perfect. YMMV, I'm sure.