robinw Posted January 24, 2010 Posted January 24, 2010 Last time I took phene to the vet, he said that there were changing on the surface of his retina (i think), resulting in some deterioration of his eyesight. That was consistent with what i was seeing at home. he won't up the stairs without lots of light and i need to accompany him. it seems to be worsening. when he goes in for his dental in a few weeks, we'll be looking at his eyes, also. this is all new to me. what questions should i be asking? has anybody here had anything? are there any tests i should inquire about? has anybody here had anything similar happen to their dog? what did you do to make life easier for all involved? thanks Quote Xavi the galgo and Peter the cat. Missing Iker the galgo ?-Feb.9/19, Treasure (USS Treasure) April 12/01-May 6/13, Phoenix (Hallo Top Son) Dec.14/99-June 4/11 and Loca (Reko Swahili) Oct.9/95 - June 1/09, Allen the boss cat, died late November, 2021, age 19.
Guest KennelMom Posted January 24, 2010 Posted January 24, 2010 It's not uncommon for dogs to lose some or even most of their eyesight as they age. Once they start to have "old dog eyes", a thorough exam by the vet is a must. As long as the changes in their eyes are "routine" degeneration that can be expected with normal aging, which your vet should be very familiar with, there's really not much to do specifically. My primary concern is that the dog isn't in any pain due to eye changes. Of course, our Hanna is blind from a genetic condition and she went blind at 6 - Champ was nearly totally blind towards the end. I've noticed the same issues with Quilty...she bonks into things from time to time, doesn't track things with her eyes like the other dogs will. I just try to anticipate things that might cause them problems and help guide them as best I can. I use more verbal queues and make sure they have as much light as possible at night, esp near stairs. Most dogs handle(gradually) losing eyesight pretty well...they rely so much more on their other senses than humans do. Quote
robinw Posted January 24, 2010 Author Posted January 24, 2010 thanks, Heather. i know that this is normal, but it seems to be quickly deteriorating. of course, phene is such a diva and drama queen that it's almost hard to tell . it just seems like things have gotten much worse over the past couple of months. Quote Xavi the galgo and Peter the cat. Missing Iker the galgo ?-Feb.9/19, Treasure (USS Treasure) April 12/01-May 6/13, Phoenix (Hallo Top Son) Dec.14/99-June 4/11 and Loca (Reko Swahili) Oct.9/95 - June 1/09, Allen the boss cat, died late November, 2021, age 19.
Batmom Posted January 24, 2010 Posted January 24, 2010 Might want to check in with a veterinary ophthalmologist? "Old dog eyes" (why can't I ever remember what that's called?) don't normally progress quickly nor result in total blindness. Special scritchies and tummy rubs to Phene. Quote Star aka Starz Ovation (Ronco x Oneco Maggie*, litter #48538), Coco aka Low Key (Kiowa Mon Manny x Party Hardy, litter # 59881), and mom in IllinoisWe miss Reko Batman (Trouper Zeke x Marque Louisiana), 11/15/95-6/29/06, Rocco the thistledown whippet, 04/29/93-10/14/08, Reko Zema (Mo Kick x Reko Princess), 8/16/98-4/18/10, the most beautiful girl in the whole USA, my good egg Joseph aka Won by a Nose (Oneco Cufflink x Buy Back), 09/22/2003-03/01/2013, and our gentle sweet Gidget (Digitizer, Dodgem by Design x Sobe Mulberry), 1/29/2006-11/22/2014, gone much too soon. Never forgetting CJC's Buckshot, 1/2/07-10/25/10.
Burpdog Posted January 24, 2010 Posted January 24, 2010 I haven't read all the replies. Did he see a specialist? It's a must. Quote Diane & The Senior Gang Burpdog Biscuits
Guest Swifthounds Posted January 24, 2010 Posted January 24, 2010 I would have him to a veterinary opthamologist. There are lots of things they can do these days, and you're more likely to get a good diagnosis with someone with the tools and experience to know what he/she is looking at. Quote
ZoomDoggy Posted January 24, 2010 Posted January 24, 2010 Might want to check in with a veterinary ophthalmologist? "Old dog eyes" (why can't I ever remember what that's called?) don't normally progress quickly nor result in total blindness. Special scritchies and tummy rubs to Phene. I agree with this completely. Ophthalmologists can catch things a normal vet (even a very good normal vet) might miss. Quote ~Aimee, with Flower, Alan, Queenie, & Spodee Odee! And forever in my heart: Tipper, Sissy, Chancy, Marla, Dazzle, Alimony, and Boo. This list is too damned long.
Devotion Posted January 24, 2010 Posted January 24, 2010 Robin, I'm sorry to hear about Phene. I don't think it's normal to just get old eyes and it progress this quickly. You know all the stuff Avril is going through. She sees a Vet Ophthalmologist. Her eyesight is pretty much gone in her one eye but that's because of the cancer. Rocky lost his eyesight but it happened suddenly. He did remarkably well. Although, I didn't change the furniture or anything. I know the stairs are the scary part. Can you keep the light on when you're not there? I would really look in to seeing an Opthalmologist. Phene's a Divo not a Diva. These blue fawns keep us on our toes. Quote Pam with greys Avril, Dalton & Zeus & Diddy the dachshund & Miss Buzz the kitty Devotion, Jingle Bells, Rocky, Hans, Harbor, Lennon, NoLa, Scooter, Naomi and Scout at the bridge
robinw Posted January 25, 2010 Author Posted January 25, 2010 i'll definitely ask for a specialist referral but it would be great if i knew something more than the possibilities i could find on google. i barely know where to start. Quote Xavi the galgo and Peter the cat. Missing Iker the galgo ?-Feb.9/19, Treasure (USS Treasure) April 12/01-May 6/13, Phoenix (Hallo Top Son) Dec.14/99-June 4/11 and Loca (Reko Swahili) Oct.9/95 - June 1/09, Allen the boss cat, died late November, 2021, age 19.
Guest MnMDogs Posted January 25, 2010 Posted January 25, 2010 Mork was diagnosed with PRA just over 2 years ago - I had no idea he was going blind and was devastated. Fortunately, he's handling it much better than I did Like Heather said, dogs really do very well and can compensate with their other senses very well. We have noticed now that he doesn't seem to see much at all in the dark, and we have to keep things out of his normal paths or he'll bonk into them. He also seems to have no fear, so it doesn't seem to phase him at all. Definitely have Phene checked out by an ophthalmologist - I'm not sure what questions to ask. But the vet opth will be able to tell you what's going on. Give him some love from me... he's such a sweet boy. Quote
greytpups Posted January 25, 2010 Posted January 25, 2010 (edited) I have a name of a great opthamologist near Strathroy. We took Bailey there to check for Pannus. Probably that would be the vet your vet would refer though since there are only 3 in Canada. Edited January 25, 2010 by greytpups Quote Jan with precious pups Emmy (Stormin J Flag) and Simon (Nitro Si) and Abbey Field. Missing my angels: Bailey Buffetbobleclair 11/11/98-17/12/09; Ben Task Rapid Wave 5/5/02-2/11/15; Brooke Glo's Destroyer 7/09/06-21/06/16 and Katie Crazykatiebug 12/11/06 -21/08/21. My blog about grief The reality is that you will grieve forever. You will not get over the loss of a loved one; you will learn to live with it. You will rebuild yourself around the loss you have suffered. You will be whole again but you will never be the same. Nor should you be the same, nor would you want to. ― Elisabeth Kübler-Ross
Rickiesmom Posted January 25, 2010 Posted January 25, 2010 No experience with rapid loss Robin. I can tell Rickie is losing some vision (like Phoenix, he hesitates on stairs if light isn't good) but it isn't deteriorating quickly. There is an opthalmologist at the VEC but I have never had reason to take one of the dogs to her. Quote
2hounds Posted January 25, 2010 Posted January 25, 2010 I don't have any advice or help, but I wanted to send hugs Quote 2 Hounds Design Martingale Collars | 2 Hounds Design Facebook PageAlisha, Bob, Livvie (the 2.5 year old!) plus Mia Bella, Tippy, + Wahoo and Diesel the crazy kitties (and missing sweet Iceman, Paradise, Bandit, Cujo & Sebastian) in Indian Trail, NC
Guest spider9174 Posted January 25, 2010 Posted January 25, 2010 Last time I took phene to the vet, he said that there were changing on the surface of his retina (i think), resulting in some deterioration of his eyesight. That was consistent with what i was seeing at home. he won't up the stairs without lots of light and i need to accompany him. it seems to be worsening. when he goes in for his dental in a few weeks, we'll be looking at his eyes, also. this is all new to me. what questions should i be asking? has anybody here had anything? are there any tests i should inquire about? has anybody here had anything similar happen to their dog? what did you do to make life easier for all involved? thanks I'm sorry to hear about your pup. I had a foster that couldn't see below her nose. The group had taken her to a doggie ophthalmologist. She had scarring on her retina from the midline up. There weren't many limitations. She was super active and happy. Things she couldn't do: Stairs--she couldn't see below her and doing stairs would mean she was basically walking where she couldn't see. I was always afraid she'd jump from the middle of the flight. She was happy to stay on our first floor and was fine by herself at night. Night time--her sight was limited in the dark. She got around, but wasn't super active at night. She'd bump into things or trip over stuff on the floor...so don't move furniture or leave shoes around. She loved to chase flies. But they would land right below her nose and she'd be looking up...it was cute and endearing. The vet had me give her extra fish oil. She actually prescribed 4000 U/day. I never could do that much because it gave her really loose stool. Quote
rycezmom Posted January 25, 2010 Posted January 25, 2010 A big hug to you and Phene Quote The more I see of man, the more I like dogs. ~Mme. de Staël Missing my Bridge Angels Ryce, Bo, Jim, Miss Millie, Miss Rose, Gustopher P Jones (Pimpmaster G), Miss Isabella and Miss Star
RobinM Posted January 25, 2010 Posted January 25, 2010 Sigh. Hugs to you both, Robin Quote ROBIN ~ Mom to: Beau Think It Aint, Chloe JC Allthewayhome, Teddy ICU Drunk Sailor, Elsie N Fracine , Ollie RG's Travertine, Ponch A's Jupiter~ Yoshi, Zoobie & Belle, the kitties. Waiting at the bridge Angel Polli Bohemian Ocean , Rocky, Blue,Sasha & Zoobie & Bobbi Greyhound Angels Adoption (GAA) The Lexus Project
Guest jerrybird Posted January 25, 2010 Posted January 25, 2010 I would recommend Dr. M. Zigler, Veterinary Emergency Hospital at www.vetemergency.ca Quote
robinw Posted January 25, 2010 Author Posted January 25, 2010 (edited) I would recommend Dr. M. Zigler, Veterinary Emergency Hospital at www.vetemergency.ca thank you! it looks like a referral isn't necessary... Edited January 25, 2010 by robinw Quote Xavi the galgo and Peter the cat. Missing Iker the galgo ?-Feb.9/19, Treasure (USS Treasure) April 12/01-May 6/13, Phoenix (Hallo Top Son) Dec.14/99-June 4/11 and Loca (Reko Swahili) Oct.9/95 - June 1/09, Allen the boss cat, died late November, 2021, age 19.
robinw Posted January 25, 2010 Author Posted January 25, 2010 Phene's a Divo not a Diva. These blue fawns keep us on our toes. really, i think poor phene is more of a diva Quote Xavi the galgo and Peter the cat. Missing Iker the galgo ?-Feb.9/19, Treasure (USS Treasure) April 12/01-May 6/13, Phoenix (Hallo Top Son) Dec.14/99-June 4/11 and Loca (Reko Swahili) Oct.9/95 - June 1/09, Allen the boss cat, died late November, 2021, age 19.
CaliforniaGreys Posted January 25, 2010 Posted January 25, 2010 Please keep us posted Robin. No experience here other than what is considered normal for seniors. Quote Missing my little Misty who took a huge piece of my heart with her on 5/2/09, and Ekko, on 6/28/12 For the sick, the lost, and the homeless
Guest ss556 Posted January 25, 2010 Posted January 25, 2010 Thinking of Phene and you Robin. I did take Alan to an ophthalmologist when he had his eye problem, but that was pannus and he was younger. Let us know. Quote
moosesmom Posted January 25, 2010 Posted January 25, 2010 (edited) We are going through this with our Moose. He was diagnosed 6 months ago with PRA. His opthamologist put him on several supplements including at least 2000U a day of fish oil. We have noticed that he has now lost a lot of his peripheral vision, but is doing well. We have put many night lights through out the house to help with his diminished night vision. We also have solar lights positoned on the fence in the yard and have two very bright lights on either end of the pool deck. So far, this really helps him navigate at night. Hugs to you and Phene. Edited January 25, 2010 by moosesmom Quote
Guest MomoftheFuzzy Posted January 25, 2010 Posted January 25, 2010 You're getting a lot of good advice, Robin, but I just wanted to send comforting hugs to you and Phene. Quote
greyhead Posted January 25, 2010 Posted January 25, 2010 Our vet called this old dog eyes "retinal degeneration" in Spencer, who's in the same age range as Phene. He doesn't do as well in low-light situations, including late walks. Things also look blurrier, not as sharp as before. I gather there might be an operation but the vet said it would cost thousands. We, too, keep lights on in critical places. He pretty much does fine this way, taking the stairs slower and being more tentative on darker walks. Fortunately, younger Shane is more than happy to step up, pretend to be the alpha, and go first when needed! Quote Mary with Jumper Jack (2/17/11) and angels Shane (PA's Busta Rime, 12/10/02 - 10/14/16) and Spencer (Dutch Laser, 11/25/00 - 3/29/13).
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