Guest greyladydown Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Here's a purely hypothetical situation that I've been wondering about. A greyhound has a titer for Babesia Canis of 1:320. The dog is asymptomatic, but the owner/vet decide to treat with Imizol. If the dog is tested again, say 6 months or a year later, will the titer still be positive? Will the dog ever be eligible to be a blood donor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmom Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 They can have a positive titer after treatment. No idea as to whether folks accept a dog who's been treated as a blood donor, or under what criteria. Here is some info: http://www.cvm.ncsu.edu/docs/ticklab.html#babesia http://www.cvm.ncsu.edu/docs/PDFS/ticklab/...s_treatment.pdf Quote Star aka Starz Ovation (Ronco x Oneco Maggie*, litter #48538), Coco aka Low Key (Kiowa Mon Manny x Party Hardy, litter # 59881), and mom in IllinoisWe miss Reko Batman (Trouper Zeke x Marque Louisiana), 11/15/95-6/29/06, Rocco the thistledown whippet, 04/29/93-10/14/08, Reko Zema (Mo Kick x Reko Princess), 8/16/98-4/18/10, the most beautiful girl in the whole USA, my good egg Joseph aka Won by a Nose (Oneco Cufflink x Buy Back), 09/22/2003-03/01/2013, and our gentle sweet Gidget (Digitizer, Dodgem by Design x Sobe Mulberry), 1/29/2006-11/22/2014, gone much too soon. Never forgetting CJC's Buckshot, 1/2/07-10/25/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShantisMom Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 I have read tons lately on this as my girl got her first treatment yesterday. I have found conflicting information. Some say cured after treatment some say they will always have a positive titer. I am almost positive they cannot be blood donors. It was in one of the articles, I just don't remember which one. Quote The Girls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inugrey Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Here's a real life example that fits your hypo. Inu was beginning the process to be a blood donor and passed just fine. At the same time (I can't remember why since he is asymptomatic) I sent his blood to a lab out west. His titer came back 1:320 (or close to that) we then sent off for a PCR at NC State and he was fine. So we continue to work with the blood donor organization. Moral of the story, talk to the bank and ask them. If you are nervous about bad blood do a PCR. My thoughts. Quote Colleen with Covey (Admirals Cove) and Rally (greyhound puppy)Missing my beloved boy INU (CJ Whistlindixie) my sweetest princess SALEM (CJ Little Dixie) and my baby girl ZOE (LR's Tara) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest greyladydown Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Here's a real life example that fits your hypo. Inu was beginning the process to be a blood donor and passed just fine. At the same time (I can't remember why since he is asymptomatic) I sent his blood to a lab out west. His titer came back 1:320 (or close to that) we then sent off for a PCR at NC State and he was fine. So we continue to work with the blood donor organization. Moral of the story, talk to the bank and ask them. If you are nervous about bad blood do a PCR. My thoughts. That's interesting. The vet hospital that we work with for blood donation will automatically refuse a dog with any positive tick titer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbotaina Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 While I guess I can understand where they're coming from, titers only indicate exposure, not active infection. Quote Meredith with Heyokha (HUS Me Teddy) and Crow (Mike Milbury). Missing Turbo (Sendahl Boss), Pancho, JoJo, and "Fat Stacks" Juana, the psycho kitty. Canku wakan kin manipi."Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mandm Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Here's a real life example that fits your hypo. Inu was beginning the process to be a blood donor and passed just fine. At the same time (I can't remember why since he is asymptomatic) I sent his blood to a lab out west. His titer came back 1:320 (or close to that) we then sent off for a PCR at NC State and he was fine. So we continue to work with the blood donor organization. Moral of the story, talk to the bank and ask them. If you are nervous about bad blood do a PCR. My thoughts. I may have this wrong, but it is my understanding that a PCR, while more reliable than a titer, is not fool-proof. It is possible to get a negative PCR from a dog with TBD if the blood sample did not contain any of the TBD organism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inugrey Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 (edited) I guess that is a possible scenario but I'm not a vet. I do trust these numbers posted on the state website. I trust a PCR well above a titer. Testing • Polymerase chain reaction (PCR): Amplification of a specific piece of DNA from the organism of interest. Since Babesia lives in red blood cells, EDTA anticoagulated whole blood is the sample of choice for Babesia PCR testing. Obtain samples BEFORE treatment, since treatment may reduce number of organisms and result in false negative test results. The PCR test used by the VBDDL can detect parasitemias of 0.00000073% or about 1300 fold fewer organisms than microscopy. Edited December 19, 2007 by inugrey Quote Colleen with Covey (Admirals Cove) and Rally (greyhound puppy)Missing my beloved boy INU (CJ Whistlindixie) my sweetest princess SALEM (CJ Little Dixie) and my baby girl ZOE (LR's Tara) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zookiesmom Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 (edited) Here's a real life example that fits your hypo. Inu was beginning the process to be a blood donor and passed just fine. At the same time (I can't remember why since he is asymptomatic) I sent his blood to a lab out west. His titer came back 1:320 (or close to that) we then sent off for a PCR at NC State and he was fine. So we continue to work with the blood donor organization. Moral of the story, talk to the bank and ask them. If you are nervous about bad blood do a PCR. My thoughts. I may have this wrong, but it is my understanding that a PCR, while more reliable than a titer, is not fool-proof. It is possible to get a negative PCR from a dog with TBD if the blood sample did not contain any of the TBD organism. PCR amplifies DNA, so they're amplifying the DNA of babesia. If its positive IT IS there, if its negative IT IS NOT THERE. I run PCRs everyday, lol. But as someone mentioned a positive titre indicates exposure, but a positive PCR means the babesia is present in the blood. Edited because I didn't fully read the post before mine. Edited December 19, 2007 by Zookiesmom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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