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Guest posted a topic in Health and Medical discussionHi all, New member here! It's been a complex journey for our 5 year old girl, and we're hoping for some advice from this wonderful forum! Warning: novel ahead. We adopted our girl Clover in early July. After 1 week of pudding poop streaked with blood, room-clearing gas, and a rumbly tummy despite a decent appetite (was eating about 2 cups of Blue Buffalo wilderness salmon or chicken flavored moistened with water once at night because she either hates her food and refuses to eat it until she's starving, or she only eats after her last walk of the day - we're not sure which), a vet checkup told us she had hookworm, which was treated with 2 rounds of Drontal plus and a 5 day course of Panacur. During the time of her first Drontal plus dose, she proceeded to have slightly more formed poops, but still extremely soft as we continued the Blue Buffalo Wilderness food. She had less gas and less tummy rumbling around this time, but still present. We found out during this time that she refused to eat pumpkin or yogurt. After 2.5 weeks, she started having loose pudding poops again, and we figured it was close enough time to deworm with Drontal again (technically we were supposed to give it after 3 weeks). She also got into the trash and ate several cooked ribs and chicken bones. She had horrible liquid maroon diarrhea which brought her back to the vet. We were never sure whether the liquid diarrhea was a reaction of the Drontal/hookworms dying, or irritation from eating too many cooked bones. The vet prescribed a 5 day course of 500mg 2xday metronidazole, and we put her on a bland chicken and rice diet again. Since running out of Blue Buffalo, the bland diet was slowly transitioned to a new kibble, Diamond Naturals grain free chicken and sweet potato flavor. She seemed to like the Diamond grain free chicken food well enough, and would occasionally eat 2 cups 2x a day if I bribed her with add ins like sardines, boiled chicken, or cheddar and parmesan cheese (usually dinner and midnight snack - she's not a very enthusiastic eater of kibble in general, and always skipped breakfast/lunch). I also started giving her Fortiflora each day mixed in with cream cheese or peanut butter (she refused to eat her kibble with it), and her poops were AMAZING for about 2-3 weeks. We were also attempting to train her basic commands with cheese, and she was enjoying bully sticks, beef trachea, or greenies as her daily chew treat. She went from her racing weight of 52 to a healthier appearing weight of 55 during this time. After these 2 weeks of perfect tootsie roll poops, no gas, and no rumbly tummy, the vet told me Diamond naturals food used to be the worst kind of food back in the 80s and made lots of dogs sick, and recommended changing foods after the current bag, so I did some research and found Fromm, which sounded like great food. During the transition to Fromm Holistic Gold (grain inclusive) she started having pudding poops streaked with blood again. We panicked and tried to put her back on Diamond grain free, the whitefish flavor because of the great reviews here. We were not sure if it was the grain food transition or the cyclical loose stool happening again. Two fecals done within a week apart showed no parasites, but I was encouraged to deworm again, this time with a 5 day course of Panacur. She deteriorated scarily fast during deworming, refusing to eat and pooping a variety of tiny blobs of orange mucous every few hours, as well as having liquid maroon diarrhea again. The vet put her on a 4 week course of 250mg 2xday metronidazole with a different brand of probiotic, and did a variety of blood and stool culture/fecal exams, which all came up negative except for one test for pancreatitis that was mildly elevated. She also dropped back down to 53 pounds at this time. The vet told us she definitely had some kind of colitis, but was unsure if it was from hookworm or a food/treat sensitivity. She told us again that Diamond was a bad brand of food and advised us to stay away from it. She also warned us that dogs cannot have cheese or any other fatty foods, which may (she didn't sound very sure) have set off a mild case of pancreatitis which could lead to EPI, necessitating pancreatic enzymes for life. We decided to cut out cheese, and tried a new high fiber, low-fat, different protein-based food, Blue Buffalo Healthy Weight Red Meat, which is 33% protein mostly beef, 9% fat, and 10% fiber. We transitioned Clover to this new food from a bland diet of cooked/drained ground beef and rice along with the metronidazole, probiotic, and Olewo carrots, and after 3 weeks, her poops ranged in color from light brown to orange, and from pudding to formed but soft. She refused to eat more than 2 cups a day of this food, which was definitely not enough to maintain her weight, but she still ate bully sticks and beef trachea with gusto. After 3 weeks of this, we had friends sing the praises of a raw diet, and decided to add 1 Primal beef patty each day to her 2 cups of kibble. She loves the raw patty and wolfs it down greedily any time of day I put it down instead of after her last walk of the day. However, after 1 week of the Primal, her stool has not improved, and is getting stinkier, with horrific gas, tummy rumbling, and grass-eating. She does not appear to have gained back the lost weight despite eating about 1200 calories/day in 1 meal. At this point, we are completely out of ideas, and dangerously low on money for additional vet testing. We don't know whether to finish off the bag of beef Primal since she's not had any improvement in 1 week of it, despite her LOVING to eat it more than any kibble. We don't know if we should try the chicken flavor of Primal since she seemed to do so well on a chicken based diet in the past. We don't know whether to ask the vet for more of the 500mg 2xday dose of metronidazole because she did so well after that first 5 day course rather than the second 3 week course of 250 mg. We don't know if we should try a different antibiotic such as Tylan. We don't know whether to try Olewo beets instead of carrots, since apparently beet pulp is the miracle worker in Iams Green Bag. We don't know if she actually had pancreatitis and need to continue a low fat, high fiber diet (I bought 5 different other brands of low fat, high fiber foods to try with various protein sources after the Blue Buffalo including Merrick, Wellness Core, Canidae, Annamaet, and Fromm). We don't know if she now has EPI and needs to be on pancreatic enzymes. We don't know if we can switch her back to Diamond Naturals grain free chicken, since it's not a low fat/high fiber food, and the vet seems to have a vendetta against it. We don't know if maybe we should try Iams green bag. We are just lost as to what would be the next best step to try, and would appreciate any advice going forward. Thank you!
I have a 7.5 yr old male greyhound, he's a healthy blood donor, but had an mild acute case of pancreatitis last month. He recovered just fine, but I've still been trying to firm up his stool. Before the pancreatitis, he ate raw with some grain free kibble He was eating raw with no issues for about 4 months & gained a few pounds. Before the raw he was a picky eater (eating grain free quality kibble) & stool was generally on the softer side. He had the best poo with raw, I miss those days. After the bland diet, I transitioned him to an 8% chicken based kibble (Lotus senior). I think he's allergic to something in that kibble, grain or chicken meal perhaps? He ate raw/boiled/roasted chicken & jerky without problems. I thought the loose stool was from the fat, but after about 3 weeks, I'm pretty sure it's the kibble. This week I've been mixing in grain free kibble samples(much higher fat), along with the 8%, with no major changes in his stool. He also gets raw goat's milk and some dehydrated food on his kibble, so he eats it. I've been researching fat/protein/additives in various high quality grain free kibble brands. I want to stick to 10-14% fat for now, especially since I add goats milk & dehydrated too. Here's a few brands I'm considering: Evangers, First Mate, Great Life, Pinnacle, and Solid Gold. I want to avoid chicken, chicken meal, chicken fat, and grains. Anyone have greys that love or hate any of these? I have a feeling, I'll be coming home with several 5lb bags to try. Also curious, if anyone has had a grey with pancreatitis while on RAW? I'd like to go back to it, but worried that may have been the cause. My vet says most dogs do great on RAW, but occasionally some can't digest it as well. Many folks switch to raw after pancreatitis, feel like I'm doing this backwards. Has anyone had a similar experience?
Hi, all -- I'm a new forum member, though I've read dozens of posts over the past several months searching on topics for our grey, Senna. What a great community -- and thank you! : ) My question is kind of a blend of food and diet discussion, and health and medical, but I figured I'd start here. Senna is 2.5 and has had off and on (mostly on) GI issues since we got her in December. Three to four months ago, she was diagnosed with mild pancreatitis, which the vet believes is a result of irritable bowels due to a food allergy. (She's had any number of fecal samples, diarrhea panels, etc., all of which turned up nothing as far as bacteria and worms go.) Since we've had her, she's been on several foods, including two hypoallergenic foods, one of which she eventually refused to eat (Royal Canin sweet potato and venison) and one she did not do well on (HA, with constant, kind of scary diarrhea). The vet's last option was to put her on a high-fiber, low-fat veterinary diet, and she's been on Prescription Diet w/d for the past three months. Surprisingly, and happily, she seems to be doing really well with it -- solid stools, good appetite, good energy, nice coat. But it isn't a long-term solution for us (it's too low-calorie for a greyhound who needs to put on a few pounds, and prohibitively expensive), and we're now looking for one. Next week, I have a vet appointment to discuss transitioning Senna to a new diet, one that can hopefully work long term. The vet has said we'll exhaust all options (w/d was the last) before having to do a colonoscopy, but of course no one wants that. But if Senna backslides with a transition, I fear it's going to come up. If the vet says we must do a colonoscopy, we'll likely get a second opinion. I also am planning to do more bloodwork next week and see about the pancreatitis levels, which could help guide us. Given all that, my questions are these: 1. Do you have any recommendations for a high-fiber, low-fat, high-quality dog food that isn't prescription? I think limited ingredients will also be key. 2. What can we do to help Senna transition to a new food, trying to avoid a relapse into diarrhea? Pumpkin, yogurt, probiotics and Fresh Factors seem to make only very middling differences, if any, with her. 3. Are there any other considerations with mild pancreatitis and diet in general that we should know about? Thank you for any advice! We're keeping our fingers crossed at finding a good food she transitions well to.
My 10 1/2 year old grey, Peggy, recently suffered a severe bout of pancreatitis. After a 4 night hospitalization, she has been home from the vet for a little over a week now and seems to be doing great! (Thank goodness!) The vet told us to begin transitioning her off the Rx diet and back onto her old food. Her "old food" is Blue Buffalo grain-free chicken recipe for seniors - b/c we used to have issues with diarrhea on the food with grains. Prior to the pancreatitis she has been doing 100% great on the Blue Buffalo grain free diet. We believe the pancreatitis was linked to too many high fat 'special' treats including cheese, peanut butter and non-low fat yogurt. We foolishly didn't know that it could cause such a skinny dog such life-threatening problems, and we have since removed all of this from her diet - much to her chagrin. The Blue Buffalo label says that the crude fat content is 10% MIN. Is that ok for her? Would you guys suggest a different food for her? Also, do you all have suggestions on low fat treats? She was getting Milk Bones, but we have learned they are high in fat and have taken them out of her diet. Right now she is getting bits of boiled chicken, but that is a rather expensive and labor intensive treat to keep up for the rest of her life, which we hope to be a very, very long time. Thank you all in advance for your suggestions. -Courtney and Peggy