rockingship
May 30 2003, 05:51 PM
Hallie
Fortified Jazz and Fortified Heart, by Fortified Power X Hondo Prism
The female family is a very distinguished one, being a branch of the almighty Royal Princess family, our most prolific domestic.
Their branch was developed, in modernity, by William Baugh, who used the "Hondo" prefix. This branch is particularly interesting, as it is also the direct family of Miss Gorgeous, the dam of Rooster Cogburn, Highway Robber, Sand Man, Angola and Miss Westy...to mention only her illustrious offspring.
Their 7th dam is She's A Record, who is also the 2nd dam to Miss Gorgeous, one of the greatest brood matrons in the history of racing.
Hondo Checkers, the 5th dam to Fortified Jazz and Heart, was a member of the litter that also included All American Hondo Monopoly, a superb racer and a sire of some historical import.....and they were linebred to the aforementioned Shes A Record, as well as the great Kinto Nebo, who was the dam of the immortal Westy Whizzer and the 2nd dam to Friend Westy, the sire of all the great Miss Gorgeous offspring we have alluded to.
Other members of this illustrious branch of an even more illustrious family, include contemporary siires Hey Vern, Heavy Z, Kola's Moneymaker, Wild Scuffle, Baci, Odd Skill, and Trojan Episode....the latter being a littermate to American Derby and Flashy Sir Award winner, Swedish Episode.
rockingship
May 30 2003, 06:45 PM
Abby
Jimbo Charlotte by Unruly Storm x Greys Cherokee
A superb female family, tracing back to the great Fawn Rita, and coming through Montague Doll, the 5th dam to Jimbo Charlotte. These are the bloodlines of Orville Moses, whose greyhounds were among the greatest and influential in the greyhound racing world. Moses' Feldcrest, an American Derby winner, set a track record for 5/16ths of a mile that held for over 25 years at the old Taunton racetrack-----and was never broken.
Moses' Nitrana, also an American Derby winner, is also a member of this family----sired by another of Moses' American Derby winners, Clydesdale (also a Fawn Rita family member). Nitrana's son, Montague Friend (by Sunbow) was a Rural Rube Award winner, and a greyhound of enormous tenacity and talent-----which is a hallmark of the Fawn Rita family, and particularly of Moses branches.
This particular branch, via Rayoner, the dam of Montague Doll, is also the branch that many of Jack Kahn's famous "Ks" prefix greyhounds have descended from, including the extrordinary Ks Broadway, a Rural Rube Award winner and multiple major stakes winner, as well as a respectable sire.
Greys Cherokee, the dam of Jimbo Charlotte, contributes a linebreeding to the Australian Elsie Moss, via her paternal grandsire, Ks Flak, whose damsire is Elsie Moss son Max Moss, the half-sibling to Joe Moss, who is the sire of Montague Doll. This Australian family is another branch of the same family that gave us the immortal Tell You Why-----who anchors the sireline to both Unruly Storm and Greys Cherokee----the parents of Jimbo Charlotte.
Other distinguished members of the direct female family of Jimbo Charlotte, include contemporary sires like the up and coming Seegold Big Red, and the beautifully conformed Neiland-----as well as the winner of last years Great Greyhound Race, the mercurial female, Gable Vermillion----who will, with any luck at all, carry this family to even greater glory.
Blitzen_n_Simone
May 31 2003, 12:06 AM
I love reading this stuff. I spend hours on Greyhound data. I do have a question for you. Are there greyhound consultants that tell the breeders who should breed with who. I don't know how to term this but "Who is in charge" or is it pretty random. Is the breeder limited by what stud fee he can afford. Can the owner of the stud refuse to breed with certain bitches?
I have noticed that there are finer featured greys and big boxy greys like I have.
Are there breeders who pick lines to produce these petite greys and some who like the bigger boned lines.
I know that racing pleases the grey but have you ever noticed that some greys seem more focused and really know that they have a job and that is to win. Therefore, would intelligence ever enter into the breeding process.
cindysmom
May 31 2003, 12:08 AM
Those are good questions. I definitely have one each of the "boxy vs. slender-nosed" hounds. Finn is the boxier.
rockingship
May 31 2003, 05:48 AM
Lesley (Scarlett's Mom)
Street Magic by SCs Mask Rider x Commanding View
Street Magic traces in tail female to the matriarch of the family of perhaps the greatest racing greyhound ever to draw breath. Along the tail female line, we find the great Randle Brother's female, Miss Judy. It is her great grandaughter, Medora, found in the pedigree of Street Magic as her 10th dam, who whelped Real Huntsman, a son of Never Roll.
Real Huntsman was a two time winner of the greatest of all derby races, the American Derby. He was also the winner of every single match race he ever participated in, and there were dozens of them. He was and is incomparable.
What is especially interesting about Street Magic's pedigree, is that her damsire, HBs Commander, is from another branch of this same Miss Judy family....and his sire, Akbar, is from the same Medora branch of the family that Street Magic is from!
To add even more of this family, we have the unique and prolific Inbar Shmo, Street Magic's 3rd dam, who is the product of an accidental son-to-mother mating, which involved Sunbar Flash being bred to his own dam, Barbara.
So we have quite a bit of intensification of the Miss Judy family, through the dam, Commanding View, despite the outcross to the Australian, Walumba, by the amazing Temlee, the greatest sire the Southern Hemisphere has ever seen.
Scs Mask Rider, the sire of Street Magic, was a Rural Rube Award Winner, and is one of the last direct female line descendents of Twinkles Girl-----who was the dam of Butterflies, one of the most important brood matrons in the history of the American Racing Greyhound.
Other luminaries for the Je Nay>Medora branch of the Miss Judy family, include the incredible American Derby winning Mr Wizard, the influential sire Tara Bounder, the underappreciated King Jones, and the sensational Fast Company and Great Escape----two highly influential sires of almost a quarter century ago.
Today, the direct female family of Inbar Shmo is represented by the sire Snow Bow, who, in his first track age litter, produced the sensational St Petersburg Matinee Idol champion, Caymen Went, out of a Fortress daughter, named Faithful Message.
rockingship
May 31 2003, 05:57 AM
Simone....most breeders are "nick" breeders....that is, they look for proven crosses that have shown compatiblity. I get dozens of inquiries concerning what sires people wish to use for their dams....while I do not consider myself anything like a breeding consultant, I usually have an opinion.
A smart stud master will be selective of the females to whom he breeds his sires.
I am very interested in the compatibility (or lack thereof) of similar phenotypes. I have no empirical evidence which suggests that this is beneficial, but greyhound racing and breeding is a common sense thing.....and it makes sense to me that "like tends to produce like".
rockingship
May 31 2003, 07:07 AM
Lesley (Scarlett’s Mom)
Devies William by Oshkosh Racey x HH Buttercup
This very handsome greyhound fuses two of the most important female families of the 60s and 70s breeding paradigm. The first is his direct family, which is illuminated by his 6th dam, Cactus Nancy, who is the sibling to the influential sire, Spec Harmony, and the great Raynham Derby winner and sire board leader, Cactus Lonesome. He was an exceptionally game and popular greyhound in his day, and was perhaps superceded by only one of his contemporaries in his overall contribution.
And that would be the immortal Westy Whizzer, who is William’s 3rd damsire---and was also a Raynham Derby winner. They are both pre-eminent sons of the remarkable Australian import, Tell You Why---- unquestionably the most important sire in “modern” American track racing history.
William’s pedigree is further strengthened by 2 infusions of the superb sire and damsire, New World, via his 2nd dam, Lady Montgomery, who carries him as paternal and maternal 2nd damsire. New World was also the damsire to another Raynham Derby winner, the relentless Tuf Miler-----a son of Cactus Lonesome! New World is also the sire of Friend Westy, whose matings to Miss Gorgeous are legendary. New World is a member of the same female family as the great Ks Flak.
Damsire HBs Prince Red, a full sibling to HBs Commander, adds 2 more doses of Westy Whizzer, through the underrated B Whiz, the best producing member of the most successful litter in modern racing history, and the incomparable Downing, a Hollywood World Classic winner and American Derby champion.
Via sire Oshkosh Racey, we see the re-infusion of Cactus Lonesome, and William’s direct female family, through Racey’s own damsire, Oshkosh Champ---- another brilliant son of Cactus Lonesome.
Other members of the April Nancy female family from which Devies William descends, are the young and promising sires Lord Dempsey and Armedandeadly. Galilee, a brother of Lord Dempsey, has been sent to Australia, where he is currently at stud.
rockingship
May 31 2003, 08:26 AM
Cindysmom
TV Cindy by TV Darrell x TV Blossom
This is an Arizona bred greyhound, whose family I seem to associate with an individual named MH Willis. While the female family is a bit obscure, as this is a “homebred”----we know one thing about Arizona greyhounds----they’re usually pretty pacey.
Since I don’t have any documentation on the female family beyond the 6th dam, TV Brenda---- it is interesting to note that her daughters by the iconic Johnny Leonard…TV Verlen and Lonesome Sister, are, respectively, the 3rd dam to Cindy’s paternal grandsire, TV Outlaw, and the 5th dam to TV Cindy herself.
This pattern-type linebreeding is also evident behind 2nd dam TV Alma Lou, who carries the Tell You Why/Irish Kappy siblings, Tell Jean Anne and Tell Connie Lynn, as paternal 2nd dam and as the dam to her own damsire, MRs Monsignor.
Kappy ID, a stakes competitor in the late 70s, gives focus to this backbreeding in the pedigree of TV Cindy….and he appears in her 3rd remove, as her paternal damsire, and as 2nd maternal damsire…..and he is a grandson of Tell Jean Anne----which makes him a female family relative of the previously mentioned MRs Monsignor.
Sire, TV Darrell, is from the female family of Elizabeth Pesek, named for the wife of one of the pioneer breeders in the US, John Pesek…..who imported the great foundation sire Just Andrew, from Australia. This is the direct family of the great racers and sires, siblings MCs Grandmaster and MCs Dutchmaster, by the great Sandy Printer-----who is, also, the 2nd damsire to TV Darrell.
The direct family of TV Cindy, while it seems very localized, has recently produced Phoenix Sprint Champion TV Ben Syzpyrka, by WDs Chris x TV Alma Lou….who is the 2nd dam to TV Cindy.
rockingship
May 31 2003, 03:27 PM
Cindysmom
HCs Sand Piper by Ps Raising Smoke x Brazo Power
HCs Sand Piper is another Arizona-based greyhound, but who comes from an Australian female family---- her 2nd dam, Dancing Devil, having been imported. While we don’t pretend to know too much about the Australian breeding scene, this particular family is the family of the sire, Black Diro, by Venetian Court x Lena Black. Black Diro is damsire to the highly influential Bowetzel, by Second Stage x Princess Diro. Bowetzel is found prominently in the pedigrees of contemporary Australian sires Malawis Prince and Big Ginger Boy (among many other fine greyhounds)----both of whom have sired greyhounds in the USA, thanks to the technology of frozen insemination.
Interestingly enough, Bowetzel is from another branch of the same family as our domestic matriarch, the great Royal Princess, who is the authoress of an American breeding dynasty, and whose greatest descendents would require a book of their own-----but two of whom, the siblings Demon Jones and Hall of Fame sire Onie Jones, occupy damsire positions in the 5th remove of HCs Sand Piper’s pedigree. The latter, as 2nd damsire to Ps Raising Smoke and the former as damsire’s damsire, to HCs Sand Piper herself.
Mookie Finn contributes a dose of the great Randle Kennel’s Gurley, a dam of enormous influence and a Miss Judy family descendant, and whose own dam, Pay Joan, is linebred to Hall of Fame immortal, Real Huntsman.
Ps Raising Cain is the lesser known full sibling to sire extraordinaire, Ps Raising Cain. They are from the ancient Irish family of Greysfeld, which has long been successful in America, by the virtues of it’s many stellar members…..which include the Hall Of Fame dam, My Kit and her superb sons, Scatter Brain, Time Bomb and Buzzie Roll, foundation sires of great influence….Pree, who is the dam of Lucky Terra, the dam of Kunta Kinte and Lucky Carmel, a brother/sister team, who have had great say in the direction of American breeding……and of course, the powerful Ps Rambling, one of the greatest stayers who ever lived and raced, from the direct branch of this family which produced Ps Raising Smoke.
This pedigree assumes a true international flavor, when we look at the maternal sireline of Ps Raising Smoke, which is from Ireland, via Hi Bill…..and the tail female line of Raising Dust (the sire of Ps Raising Smoke) who is also from an Irish family.
rockingship
May 31 2003, 04:09 PM
Wendigo
Wind Vexed by Cee Jay x Wind Assisted
The first thing we notice about this pedigree is that sire, Cee Jay, is the result of a rare sibling mating….the combination of HBs Creole Baby and her prepotent brother, HBs Commander. Not surprising that Wind Vexed is virtually an outcross.
Her Irish female family is among the most influential in the world, however, and traces to the great matriarch, Inler May. It comes down to us here, through the superb Yurituni (Pigalle Wonder x Rather Fancy), and by way of Evening Daisy (Spectre x Airdrie Hill). It is a very distinguished branch of perhaps the most influential family, internationally, in all of racing and race breeding. Today, in the USA, it is the direct female family of the number 1 sire in the nation, Oswald Cobblepot, by HBs Commander x Valensky ….. and so he is a very close relative of Wind Vexed, their 2nd dams having been littermates.
The Yurituni branch of the Inler May family has produced a number of outstanding----even legendary----track performers. Foremost among them, Wild Breeze (Ostracized x All Heart) one whom influential breeder Keith Dillon once said was the fastest greyhound he had ever raised.
Minaki Zeke, a contemporary sire leader, is also from this distinguished female family. Other luminaries, still active as breeders, include the hard- knocking Beastwithtobacks, Flaregun, Lauren Tide, Kelsos Kingpin (a major stakes winner) and the up-and-coming State of the Art.
Frightful Flash, the damsire to Wind Vexed, is an Australian, and a direct female family descendent of Gorgeous Babe-----the dam of Tell You Why, the dominant sire line in America today….perhaps Tell You Why's greatest male line descendant, Downing, is the damsire to both HBs Creole Baby and HBs Commander.
rockingship
May 31 2003, 06:22 PM
Jeffers
Jeff Cutter by Narwhal x Star Stealer
This is a very powerful and interesting pedigree, though not the type of “fashionable” pedigree we often see….it melds several of the pre-eminent families who have done so much to define the contemporary American Racing Greyhound.
Again, in the pedigree of Jeff Cutter, we see the profound importance of the family of Inler May, through its Racing May branch----and it is she who is the direct female ancestress of Jeff Cutter.
This is the branch of the family which includes not only the legendary Yellow Printer (Printer’s Prince x Yellow Streak), but also Maythorn Pride and her many storied offsprings, from whom descend contemporary sire icon, Fortress (Im Slippy x Exception) …..the recently retired-to-stud, multiple stakes winner, Dodgem By Design (Gable Dodge x Cruisin By Design)….and as we have noticed by our investigations into other pedigrees, it is also the (extended) female family of current top US sire, Oswald Cobblepot.
My Unicorn, a sire leader of a decade ago, was also from this family….and it is his littermate, Rocky Flying, who is the 2nd dam to Jeff Cutter.
Public Figure, who is the damsire to Jeff Cutter, is from the family of Twinkles Girl, which is also the family of the marvelous Butterflies----and very important brood matron in the history of the American Racing Greyhound.
This particular branch, through Carbella, is also the family of Rural Rube Award winners Scott Free and SCs Mask Rider. Public Figure was a potent stayer of the highest class, and a very underrated sire.
Narwhal, the sire of Jeff Cutter completes a double dose of the mysterious Night Assault, damsire to Shogun Warrior and the 2nd damsire to Narwhal. Night Assault was often present in the pedigrees of the great Robert Mendheim greyhounds, but his origins are shrouded in mystery, and seem to be primarily passed down from coursing, in Ireland, from where Night Assault emerged.
Narwhal himself, is from the Mar Oketa/Mar Fuschia female family, which is apparent in the pedigree of Scott Free as well, through another female line descendent, Fresh Approach. This Mar Oketa/Mar Fuschia “nick” with the family of Twinkle’s Girl is definitely a dynamic at work in the pedigree of Scott Free….and so too, though to a less intense degree, in the pedigree of Jeff Cutter.
Jeff Cutter also sports a 5x5 cross of the great Stutz-Walters dam, Basic Black, who is the female line beneath contemporary multiple stakes winner, EAs Itzaboy (Oswald Cobblepot x San Tan Bomber)----who many believe is, currently, the finest sprinter in the nation.
rockingship
May 31 2003, 07:35 PM
Riley’s Momma
Sparkplug Scott by Chick’s Racey x Facetious
When an Irish breeder thinks of infusing pure pace aptitude into his/her strains, very often we see the dosing applied through various descendants of Skipping Chick. This is an enormously potent and important family in the Irish paradigm, and it is the family of Sparkplug Scott.
While this family has never been a tail female force in the USA, it is a powerful element in the performance and pedigree of the quicker, pacier Irish breed, and Skipping Chick is often found in multiple doses in the pedigrees of the highest echelon racers and breeders in Ireland and the UK....like English and Scottish Derby winner, Chart King, currently at stud.....and Pepes Dilemma, a new addition to the ranks of US-based imported sires.
In the USA, the primary exponent of this family is not a direct descendent of it, but brings in the Skipping Chick family through his damsire, Daleys Gold…..and I am speaking of the fine sire, Minaki Zeke, who is the USA’s current greatest source of Skipping Chick influence. Trojan Cruze and the recently imported Pepes Dilemma, also carry Daleys Gold as their damsire.
Lashing Sleet, the damsire to Sparkplug Scott, is from a fine old Australian family, which in America, is also the family of young sire NRs Fast Eddie, a stakes competitor of great stamina, and an American Derby winner. Lashing Sleet is by 2-time All American and winner of the Wonderland Derby, the Biscayne Irish American and the US Marathon Championship, Profit’s Andy----one of the greatest greyhounds of the past quarter century. Share Profit, an Irish import, and the sire of Profits Andy, is a female family descendant of Sallys Gossip (Endless Gossip x Castle Yard)….Sally’s Gossip is the dam of Skipping Chick’s damsire, Sallys Story.
Chick’s Racey, the sire of Sparkplug Scott, carries Profits Andy as his own damsire….and we see that Sparkplug Scott is linebred to Profits Andy, 3x3….thus intensifying the backbreeding to Sallys Gossip, which would tend to re-inforce Skipping Chick’s damsire family presence.
Recently, in the US, the sire Greenane Slippy was a direct family descendent of Skipping Chick, though his breeding career is largely regarded as having been unsatisfactory. We shall see what judgments future history will make.
rockingship
May 31 2003, 08:55 PM
Wendigo
Marnita by Pleasant Grove x Right Flavor
Marnita is among the royalty of the American Bloodline. She is a direct female family descendent of Dawn Tullera, who is the Australian taproot to our great Handy Nebo branch of the family-----and furthermore, Marnita descends from none other than Kinto Nebo herself. Marnita’s 5th dam, Purled, moreover, is a half sister to Westy Whizzer, the greatest offspring of Kinto Nebo and perhaps of Tell You Why, his sire, as well.
It is interesting to note that, until the last 2 generations, Marnita’s pedigree contains not one trace of actual Westy Whizzer blood….and breedings of this sort, put the female family descendents of Dawn Tullera at a distinct disadvantage during the time Westy Whizzer was producing so many of the BEST sires…..they had to often settle for something “less”----as there was some trepidation on the part of breeders, because of the families’ predisposition to shyness, if not outright “spookiness”, to linbreed the family.
At any rate, we see Pleasant Grove bringing in a Whizzer infusion through his grandsire, Profits Andy, and a generation before that, we see Understood, damsire to Marnita, and carrying a topline to Westy Whizzer.
Because of the incredible influence of Westy Whizzer and his sons, there are not too many direct female family descendents of Kinto Nebo any more-----that branch of the family, in tail female, has suffered severe compression….and all as a result of its own phenomenal success.
Nevertheless, thanks to the cleverness of some very astute breeders, from this Purled branch of the family, many fine greyhounds emerged, still. Among them, MCs Doreen, a Hollywood World Classic champ….. Irish Cadillac, a phenomenally fast greyhound and the sire of All American Team Captain Derek’s Cadillac…. MCs Spinmaster, a successful sire in his time….. and Madison Jeff, who had some modest success as a sire.
Marita’s sire, Pleasant Grove, emerges from the explosive family of Glenbawn Lass…..and this is also the family of another All American Team Captain, the great sprinter, Its Aclevercatch, currently at stud.
Other luminaries from the Handy Nebo branch of the Dawn Tullera family of Marita, include Alice Trader, who has written her own breeding epic……and her contemporary descendents at stud, Okie Norman, Nicklebackbingo, Okie Kail and the great Kiowa Shawnee So, winner of the Hollywood World Classic, and currently residing in Ireland, where he has attracted many first class Irish females. And of course, lest we forget the great Pecos Cannon, Caprioled and Kithed, who were all highly influential sires, the former 2 being champions in their day.
rockingship
Jun 1 2003, 12:27 AM
Salemgrey
Hallo Aristocat by TMc’s Broker x Leo’s Gloria
Here we have yet another member of the Dawn Tullera family, this one through Alice Trader of the Handy Nebo branch.
Where Hare, who is the 5th dam to Hallo Aristocat, was a superb track bitch, and of the thousands of greyhounds who took a shot at Feldcrest’s 5/16ths track record at Taunton, it was she who came closest to breaking it----missing by a mere 5/100ths of a second. She was also the dam of the great, perennial stakes competitor and winner of the Biscayne Derby, March Hare, by the frighteningly fast Ks Clown.
Panama Leo, the damsire to Hallo Aristocat, is also an Alice Trader family member, and he comes down through his 4th dam, Gillie, an Alice Trader daughter by Hammersmith (Clydesdale x Ornamental) who was a half sibling to Feldcrest----- yet another Orville Moses prodigy, and, like Feldcrest, a maternal grand-offspring of Butterflies.
Interestingly enough, Ks Clown, the sire of the aforementioned March Hare, is a female line descendent of Feldcrest….and so too, of Butterflies.
T Mc’s Broker is a female family descendent of Miss Gorgeous, from the Royal Princess family, and perhaps its most prolific branch.
Her daughter, in this case, the full sibling to Rooster Cogburn, Highway Robber and Sand Man, is Miss Multnomah, the 2nd dam to Broker----her sire, Friend Westy, is a grandson of Kinto Nebo. Miss Gorgeous is a daughter of Tell You Why----so we see the VERY SAME “nick” here which produced Westy Whizzer---who was by Tell You Why x Kinto Nebo.
T Mc’s Broker’s damsire is Pecos Cannon--- another Dawn Tullera family member. His dam, Classy Babe, carries Handy Nebo as her 5th dam. Now, here is the kicker-----Pecos Cannon’s paternal damsire is Kosher, another Butterflies family descendent and-----a littermate to Feldcrest!!....and a half sibling to Hammersmith.
This is a wonderful and thoughtful pedigree.
rockingship
Jun 1 2003, 05:16 AM
KAI Betta
GNC King Dan by Dungaree x All Apologies
From the bloodlines of the Keith Dillon, and via the taproot female, Miss Sue, we see that the great American Derby winner of 1974, Abella, is the 3rd dam to GNC King Dan.
Abella burst upon the scene in New England, via Southland, under the spotlight of the most prestigious race in the history of the sport, and simply toyed with the opposition.
Her sire, Lucky Bannon had won the American Derby 5 years before Abella.
She was a powerhouse of a stayer, as was her sire. She was also a powerhouse of a brood matron, as she is the dam of American Derby winner, Position, by Dillard, an Irish sire whom Keith Dillon was fond of. That’s 3 American Derby winners in 3 generations, 2 of them from this direct female family. And, as if that weren’t enough….
…..Understood, a son of American Derby winner Downing, and one of the most influential sires of the last quarter century, is out of the Dillard daughter Economy…..and she and Abella share the same 2nd dam, Bouncy Belle (Cleveland Lad x Ladys Miss).
Nothing breeds success like success.
Understood, not to be outdone, is the sire of Wigwam Wag---- who is the sire of contemporary sire sensations Gable Dodge and Wigwam Hoss.
GNC King Dan’s damsire is the UK expatriate, Westpark Dive on, from the Irish speed-centric family of Skipping Chick, an enormously potent line in the UK and Ireland.
Dungaree, an All American and Hollywood World Classic winner, and the sire of GNC King Dan, is from the powerful Miss Judy family, via the Randle Kennels Gurley, who is his 3rd dam. This is the female family of the great Real Huntsman, who twice won the American Derby.
Dungaree’s sire, Big Tar, is from another branch of the Miss Judy family, through Skinny Beckner’s Mary Moore, and her granddaughter, the ‘blue hen” dam, Benatar---who is the dam of the incomparable Buzz Off, perhaps the greatest brood matron of the late 20th century.
Dungaree’s 2nd damsire, Kunta Kinte, is by yet another American Derby winner, SS Jeno, from the superb Kathi Award female family. Kunta Kinte’s damsire is Lucky Bannon.
This pedigree is loaded with back-class, and from a family which, though modest in size, is steeped in the blood of some of the best of those select few greyhounds who were able to win the crown jewel on the headdress of the Sport of Queens----the American Greyhound Derby.
Pippin
Jun 1 2003, 02:39 PM
Hey! Wigwam Wag is my angie's sire!
(and also her stud, for one litter, according to greyhound data)
http://www.greyhound-data.com/db.php?p=251480SS Jeno is in Angie's line, too, a couple generations back
rockingship
Jun 1 2003, 05:23 PM
KAI Betta
RNP Sierra by Splishin Vallie x Special Treatment
The year of 1966 was the year that Golden In came down from Revere to Taunton and won the American Greyhound Derby, which was supposed to be, for many of his faithful, the swan-song of the great Westy Whizzer.
Golden In was a great racer, who was sparingly used as a sire. But RNP Sierra descends from the same American Derby winning family from which Golden In emerged. Their common female line ancestor is Headstrong, who is the 2nd dam to Golden In, and the 7th dam to RNP Sierra.
Headstrong was probably just that, as she is by the great damsire Colfax, who was a very aggressive campaigner, and a stayer of the first water.
At any rate, this is a very arcane family of greyhounds, never even close to having been perceived by anyone as fashionable-----but one which has produced in some spectacular ways.
Many of the fine greyhounds of Golden Mosier (“Mo” prefix and suffix) owe a great deal to this family, and some of the best of them are members of this family.
RNP Sierra carries Rocker Mac daughter Rio Grande Rose as her 6th dam. Her littermate, Lone Star Rose, is the dam of Beta Star, by Black Minuet. Beta Star is the dam of Taunton Gold Collar winner John Egan, by Houghton Tango. John Egan was as tenacious a competitor as I have ever seen.
Beta Star’s half sister, Bullet Mo, by Hardy Jim (a half brother to the great Yellow Printer) is the dam of Rural Rube Award winner Classical Act, by Brave Friend. Classical Act was a sire of some repute and influence.
Flying Clem, the littermate to Classical Act, is the 2nd damsire to Mosier’s great Mo Kick, a Greyhound Race of Champions winner and 3-time All American.
The Grady Sprint Champion of 1992, Hy’s Black Flash (Black Trader x JTs Little Jan) is a direct family descendent of Beta Star----and so is a member of the same family as RNP Sierra.
Perhaps the most interesting dog from this family, is Electric Torch (Don’t Bother x Jeanerett), who was a precocious campaigner in the glory days of Wonderland in Revere, MA. Electric Torch is sire of Shogun Warrior, who is the sire of Public Figure, an important sire in the pedigrees of many of the great Robert Mendheim greyhounds, and now the Ryan Farms/Northshore Kennel greyhounds----like Galena and Bacnine, two new arrivals in the sire scene, who had extraordinary racing careers. Electric Torch is also the 2nd damsire to Hys Black Flash.
Multiple Stakes winner and All American, Wiretex (BJs Justin x Lovetex), is another member of this terrific, underappreciated female family.
Meanwhile, Golden In continues to have a small say in the American breeding paradigm…..as he is found as the 3rd damsire to Kountry Hank, who is the sire of Rural Rube Award winner SCs Mask Rider, currently at stud.
RNP Sierra’s sire, Splishin Vallie is a member of the superb Kathi Award family, which is the family of American Derby winner and sire board leader, SS Jeno, and his many influential siblings.
patricia
Jun 1 2003, 06:07 PM
Hey Hallie...My Lady Sophia was owned by William and Deanna Baugh...
Sophia's Name: Hondo Salty
Hondo SaltyEdited to add: I spoke to William Baugh...he was so happy that Sophia is doing well...he sounded like he was going to cry.
rockingship
Jun 2 2003, 02:25 AM
Msjpk
Shannon Evening by Nastar Racer x Oshkosh Quake
Shannon Evening descends from a female family that is anchored by the Hall of Fame matriarch, My Kit (My Laddie x Kitty Dunn) and her sister, Kit's Image----who is the direct female ancestor of Shannon Evening.
My Kit was the dam of Buzzie Roll, Time Bomb, West Flagler and Scatter Brain…..all sires of profound importance in bending the adaptational curve of the racing greyhound away from the coursing greyhound…..the latter being the sire of Oklahoman, himself a Hall of Famer and the winner of the first American Derby.
Kit's Image is more famous for being the direct female ancestor of the great Perceive (Downing x Lucky Carmel), who was a multiple stakes winner and a 3 time All American.
Lucky Terra, the dam of siblings Lucky Carmel and Kunta Kinte, due to the exploits of those offspring as breeders, is assured a prominent place in whatever future breeding history is written….as it was the combination of these siblings, through the mating of Perceive, the son of Lucky Carmel..... and Buzz Off----a daughter of Kunta Kinte-----which produced the “litter of the century”, comprised of Blendway, Bartie, Braddy and siblings, which is among the most accomplished litters not only of the century, but in the history of track racing.
There is no doubt in my mind, that the double infusion of the prepotent family of Kit's Image was more than a little responsible for this phenomenal group of greyhounds.
Today, this family is represented by the fine sire, WDs Santiago (JRs Abadin x Lucky Legacy). If history holds sway, his daughters will be heard from.
Another interesting sidelight to this pedigree, is the family of sire Nastar Racer, which is the Maythorn Pride branch of the internationally reknown Inler May family. This is the bloodline of the great Pat Dalton, his most potent damline----a breeding dynasty all by itself.
Now, if we look at the pedigree of Shannon Evening’s dam, Oshkosh Quake, we can see that she is linebred to the Hi Vic/Promesse siblings, PKs Apple and Oshkosh Bunny. There is an interesting context of “nicking” here, through Hi Vic and Maythorn Pride, the secret of which we can uncover, if we take a look at the pedigree of the fine racer and sire, Tipp Lad, one of Dalton’s best in the 90s.
Tipp Lad carries Maythorn Pride as his 2nd dam…..now, the dam of Hollywood World Classic winner For Real---the sire of Tipp Lad--- is Moss Drain, who was an Irish Oaks runnerup. Moss Drain is from the Irish female family of Poolekill----Poolekill, who is also the 2nd dam to Hi Vic!!!
Nice stuff.
rockingship
Jun 2 2003, 04:59 AM
Greytlady94
Nina’s Bandit by Byron’s Boy x Oshkosh Lois
Nina’s Qutie by Molotov x Oshkosh Lois
Both of these greyhounds are from the same family, and it is the famous Ohskosh family of William Pollard, which traces back to a taproot female named Miss Corelli, but the modern matriarch of which is acknowledged to be the great Promesse, by Banbury x Hypnotique.
This family has produced a number of superstar racers and breeders, and oftentimes they are found in combination in the pedigrees of their respective descendents.
Promesse is the direct family ancestor of a freshman sire who is causing a lot of breeders to look at him, not only because of his excellent track performances in major stakes races, but because of his outstanding conformation...that would be Craigie Whistler, by Molotov x Oshkosh Twist.
Evening Memory, a contemporary sireboard leader, is also a member of this family.
Fortified Speed, now in Australia at stud, and his brother Fortified Power, by Fortress x Awesome Memory (a littermate to Evening Memory) are two highly regarded contemporarires of Craigie Whistler, who have already distinguished themselves as sires.
The family jewel at stud, however, would have to be Oshkosh Racey,......sire of the extrordinary campaigner and sire, Flying Penske......Racey is by the relentless Unruly x Oshkosh Benefit----whose half-sibling, Oshkosh Flame, is the 2nd dam to both Nina’s Bandit and Nina’s Qutie.
Byron’s Boy, the sire of Nina’s Bandit, is from the Handy Hazel branch of the extensive Royal Princess family, which is the family of recent Ebro and Hollywood stakes winner Algoa Boss, by Scott Free x Algoa Sally.
Molotov, the sire of Nina’s Qutie, is probably the most dominant sire we have seen since Rocker Mac, who was US sire champion for 5 years in a row, back in the 60s.
Molotov is a member of the Gravel Gertie branch of the Dawn Tullera family, which is the "non-Handy Nebo" branch (Handy Nebo was Gravel Gertie’s full sibling) of the greatest influence. Other members of Molotov’s family, include the brothers by Julius Caesar x My Lucky Gertie-----Michigan Jack, sire of American Derby winner Lucky Bannon----and Johnny Tango, sire of Raynham Derby winner Cap Perfecta…..another Garvel Gertie family member is American Derby winner Texas Brass, by Ebony Wall x Gertie Nebo…..and the sublimely bred Sorrento Warrior, by Public Figure x Im Just Jessie, who is a contemporary sire of some importance, and the sire of Bacnine and Galena (x Syrah), two well-performed, aspiring sires.
rockingship
Jun 2 2003, 02:17 PM
HoJo’s Mom
EG Raisin Bran
This is a pedigree that has a strong brogue, inasmuch as it is heavily influenced by the Irish breeding idiom, and that includes the female family, which is Irish, and can be traced back to coursing roots, and the matriarch, Finn View Lass.
The most conspicuous branch of this family is through the dam Shandaroba (Odd Venture x Clonmore Cricket), whose 3rd dam is Kilrid Beauty----found in the pedigree of EG Raisin Bran, as her 9th dam.
Shandaroba's son, by Pigalle Wonder, named Russian Gun, won the coveted Irish Derby in 1967, and then came back the following year, and ran second in the Derby to the legendary Yellow Printer.
Russian Gun is the damsire to Moss Drain, the dam of Hollywood World Classic winner For Real and his sibling, Long Spell, who won the Laurels at Brough Park, and was sold by Pat Dalton for the then unthinkable sum of 75,000 pounds sterling. He is also the damsire to Brave Bran and Daring Dandy (known as Daring Champ in the US), both of whom had admirable sire careers in Ireland, and the latter of whom was imported for racing in the US (after winning a puppy stakes in Ire.), by Pat Dalton…. and was, in the opinion of non-pariel trainerDon Cuddy, one of the finest track dogs ever to make that journey across the Atlantic.
What has assured the Shandaroba family a place in the pedigree realm for the foreseeable future, however, is the emergence of one Skipping Tim, by Myross Again x Right On Time…… who was the sire of the great Skipping Chick, an Irish breeding phenomenon…..Kilrid Beauty is the 3rd dam to Skipping Tim.
Damsire Profits Andy, brings in the excellent Kathi Award family of American Derby winner SS Jeno, via a rare daughter of Westy Whizzer, his dam Marcia Meyer…..and is sired by perhaps the greatest American-based son of Monalee Champion himself, perhaps the greatest sire the racing world has ever known----the fabulous Share Profit.
EG Raisin Bran, as an interesting aside, carries Polly Rose as her 3rd dam, who is descended from the sireline of Go Rock, an early (1956) winner of the American Derby.
Sire, Birror, is another in the long line of Beckner and Son greyhounds, from the powerful Miss Judy family, by way of the superb Benatar. Birror is by Tipp Lad, who emerges from the Miss Hilary>Maythorn Pride branch of the Inler May family of Ireland.
Tipp Lad's sire, For Real, re-inforces the Shandoraba>Finn View Lass family of EG Raisin Bran, via his dam, Moss Drain, whose damsire is Russian Gun.
This family today, is represented by the active racers, the excellent Gable Judges and Gable Revelation (Gable Dodge x CJ Wake Up Grace), who might be worth keeping an eye on....as they share with EG Raisin Bran, the common family ancestor Brose, who is their 3rd dam, and the 2nd dam to EG Raisin Bran.
rockingship
Jun 2 2003, 03:38 PM
Gr8NCGreys
DG Fix by Right Connection x Day Gal
While this is an obscure Irish family, tracing back to the beginnings of track racing and the female Culmore Silver, it has had a remarkable effect here in the US. For DG Fix’ 3rd dam, Beauty May, is also the dam of the superb racer and highly influential sire, Nicky Finn, by American Derby and Hollywood World Classic winner, Downing.
Nicky Finn, was a major stakes winner himself, and the sire of the great multiple stakes winner, Ks Broadway, and the fine sire, Chevy Montecarlo.
The prolificity of these 2 sons, assures that this family will have a say in the future of American breeding. Chevy Montecarlo sons at stud include Fifty Seven Chevy, Pat C Montecarlo and Mahogany Fire. He is damsire to the sires Fortress Blue, Armedandeadly, and Neiland.
Ks Broadway is damsire to ML Torpedo Lane, currently at stud.
Prior to the emergence of Nicky Finn, there was the imported Count Rebel, by Newdown Heather x Countess Venture----who is the 5th dam to DG Fix-----but Count Rebel, sadly, was ill fated, and died of an anuerism, after siring only a handful of litters. But among his sons was Lively Count (x Lackluster). He was owned by the meticulous breeder, Frank Fulginiti, of Massachusetts, who stood him in the commonwealth.
Lively Count, sadly, suffered the same fate as his sire had, after siring only 4 or 5 litters----but not before siring, for Fulginiti, the 1981 Wonderland Derby winner Minstrel Kid, out of his homebred Raynham Derby winner, Anita Ann.
Lively Count, who was a perennial stakes competitor, also sired the fine racer and Green Mountain Derby champ, CBs F Paradise (x Paso Dannie), who can be found in the pedigee of Superman Fast, an Interstate Derby winner, currently winding down his fine career.
Reigh Count, another Fulginiti homebred and a fabulous greyhound, was also a son of Lively Count, out of the scrumptiously bred Montague Ribbon----who was another female line descendent of the great Feldcrest.
The premature death of Count Rebel, and then Lively Count, dealt a dire blow to the prospects of this family to have even greater influence-----and the emergence of Nicky Finn, despite that, is a testament to the quality of this small family.
DGs Fix’ sire, Right Connection, is from the domestic family of Transpat----which is also the family of her littermate, 1954 American Derby winner Mellojean-----and the direct female family of Gable Dodge, a current sire sensation in the US.
rockingship
Jun 3 2003, 06:29 AM
Diane 4114
Hi Tech Popandgo by Calico Salad x Maypop
This greyhound comes to us from the wonderful Fawn Rita family. It is one of the pre-eminent families of greyhounds in the world, and one that we in the USA can proudly call a “domestic”.
Fawn Rita greyhounds are tough and tenacious, and have traditionally crossed well with certain Australian strains, as we shall see.
Hi Tech Popandgo’s 2nd dam, Ks Flashdance, is by the incomparable Ks Flak (A Wonderland Derby and Biscayne Irish American winner)----and out of his daughter, Ks Flakette. This is an unusually close breeding.
What it does, is provide Ks Flakette with 3 crosses of the Australian blue hen Elsie Moss, from the family of Frances Colleen-----which is also the female family of another Australian named Tell You Why, who is probably the most important sire in US greyhound racing and breeding history.
Tell You Why and Elsie Moss each share the incomparable Chief Havoc, a great Aussie stayer, as their damsire.
Ks Flak is from the Tell You Why sire line, via Onie Jones. Moreover, Flak’s 2nd damsire is Great Valor----another Orville Moses sensation, and littermate to American Derby winner Clydesdale-----and both are from the Fawn Rita family.
In my mind, Great Valor, a St Petersburg Gold Trophy juvenile winner, is the penultimate example of a Fawn Rita greyhound. He was fawn, tough, and a determined stayer ....as well as a marvelous sire, of enormous influence.
Other Fawn Rita family members of profound importance to the American Racing Greyhound, include the magnificent Johnny Leonard, by Mixed Harmony x Rita Revo----he is the sire of Kinto Nebo, making him the damsire to Westy Whizzer, by Tell You Why----and it is here that we see one of the first evidences of the Fawn Rita family’s liking for Australian lines, and we can perceive the same Fawn Rita/Frances Colleen “nick” as we have previously observed via Ks Flashdance.
My Friend Lou and Sought After, brothers by Ample Tip x Win Dixie, are two other Fawn Rita family sires of profound importance to the US breed…and My Friend Lou is the sire of Friend Westy, who is the 2nd damsire to Calico Salad, the sire of High Tech Popandgo.
The great Dutch Bahama carries Fawn Rita family member Woodward as his damsire, and Woodward is a half sibling to American Derby winner,and Fawn Rita descendent LGs Ada (Westpark Hi Light x Fluent Miss).
All American and sire champion Carry On (Westy Whizzer x Bob’s Vickie) is another Fawn Rita family member, and another sire of importance.
Today, the Fawn Rita family is represented by the great Flying Penske (Oshkosh Racey x Shes A Natural), a sire with an unlimited future----as he threw a Hollywood World Classic winner Flying Earnhardt, in his first crop.
And from the Rayoner branch of Fawn Rita----the branch from which Hi Tech Popandgo descends----we have the up and coming sire Seegold Big Red (Greys Statesman x Bar X Celeste) and his well performed brother, Seegold Excel.
Gable Vermillion, by Gable Dodge----and out of a sister of Seegold Big Red and Excel-----and herself, the winner of the 2002 Great Greyhound Race---- is from this same branch of the extraordinary Fawn Rita family----one of America’s very best.
rockingship
Jun 3 2003, 04:28 PM
Diane 4114
Nodak Austin by Chrisse’s Twelve x Lotsa Liz
This is a spectacularly bred greyhound from the female family of Transpat, whose sibling, Mellojean was an early winner of the AmericanDerby.
I keep referring to this race, because the winners of it had an inordinate effect upon the bloodlines of American Racing greyhound-----which only goes to prove just how important open level stakes racing is to the greyhound breed. The American Derby was the most prestigious race, ever, in the US paradigm. Even today, in it’s “invitational”, watered-down format, the American Derby trophy carries a lot of weight.
At any rate, this is one of the most prolific of female families in America, and it’s chances of future prolificacy are not hurt one bit by the remarkable performance at stud, to date, of Gable Dodge by Wigwam Wag x CJ Ima Bahama-----who is from the same direct branch of this family as is Nodak Austin.
Their common female ancestor is Classy Clema. Nodak Austin comes down through the fine stakes competitor, Wise Liz, a daughter of the great import, Share Profit.
Other notables from this family include the fine sire and Portland stakes winner, He’s My Man and his sibling, Right Connection (Firelite x Beau Liz)…….Black Streaker (Unruly x Fast Liz), a track-rival of Hes’s My Man, and a fabulous sire……and American Derby winner Dueces Wild (Molotov x Pookys Rowdy), now at stud.
Damsire to Nodak Austin, Cecil John, brings in the family of Jon Louise----which is also the direct female family of Elsie Jones----whose sons, Onie (a Hall of Fame sire) and Kelly are legendary….and whose sister, Linda Jones, is the 2nd dam to Firelite, the sire of Cecil John.
Sire, Chrisse’s Twelve is another distinguished member of the Fawn Rita family, who provides a dose of Rooster Cogburn, the sibling to Highway Robber, who is the sireline antecedent of Beau Liz, the 2nd dam to Nodak Austin….and Chrisse’s 3rd dam, Mellow Harvest, is the sibling to All American and sire champion, Carry On-----who is the damsire to Cecil John.
Lovely.
rockingship
Jun 4 2003, 07:23 AM
RobinW
Hallo Top Son by Leo’s Midas x Starlight Classy
This greyhound is form a family that I don’t have enough information about to originate, but from the lines it has crossed with, I am going to venture a guess and say that it is probably a DQ Williams-bred, or another Oklahoma strain greyhound.
Williams is famous for breeding stayers of unthinkable stamina. Third damsire Zam Zam was a top marathoner, and is member of the great Alice Trader family, being a littermate to Flagler International Classic winner Pewter----herself the direct female ancestor to the fine sire, I Am Goin Places (Hang On To Win x Delicacy).
SS Louie, a son of American Derby winner SS Jeno, is from the family of Court Ace, through the great Kinto Girl of Bill Woodall….this is the direct family of American Derby winner PL Greer (SS Jeno x Colonel Vickey), the incomparable Ps Rambing (Profits Andy x Ps Skelly) who many feel was the greatest stayer of all time, and contemporary sire board leader, Ps Raising Cain (Raisin Dust x Ps Fulbright), among many other great greyhound racers and breeders It is one of our most successful families.
Damsire, King Kev, a precocious greyhound, who suffered a career ending injury early in his career,is from the old Irish family of Dolce, which is also the family of the great English Derby winner and sire, Own Pride (Always Proud x Kitty True). Own Pride is the sire of the superb racer and dam, Maythorn Pride, who is the direct female family ancestor to top-notch racer and sire, Fortress, among many, many other greyhounds of extremely high quality.
Panama Leo, the paternal grandsire to Hallo Top Son, brings in a second female family line to Alice Trader, via Gillie (Hammersmith x Alice Trader), who is his 4th dam.
I cannot originate the family of Leo’s Midas, but his damsire, My Problem (Onie Jones x Quick Spoof) is from an Australian family, and was a winner of the West Virginia Classic and the Orange Park Derby. My Problem’s damsire, Sand Cut (Westy Whizzer x Edy Lou) was a Flagler International Classic winner and an All American.
Another greyhound from the (incomplete records) family of Hallo Top Son is multiple marathon stakes winner and All American, the phenomenally exciting Rastro Ricky (Bahama Tip x What About Win) whose 2nd dam, My Bella, is also the 2nd dam of Hallo Top Son.....pretty fine relations.
rockingship
Jun 4 2003, 04:27 PM
Batman’s Mom
Reko Zema by Mo Kick x Reko Princess
Reko Zema descends from the powerful Lindy Lil>Wild Nancy family, anchored by LL’s Deeny, who is a most interesting study, as we look to both her first 2 damsires….Koliga and Oklahoman, each winners of the American Derby.
Most of the dynasty of greyhounds you come across in pedigrees, carrying the “LLs” prefix, are members of the Wild Nancy family. They are the direct female ancestors to a number of excellent track greyhounds and superb breeders, foremost among them today, leading sire Wigwam Wag (Understood x Js C Penny)….. multiple Texas stakes winner, now at stud, Graceland Blaze (Ps Raising Cain x Lissas Diamond)…..1994 Hollywoodian stakes winner Chick’s Racey (Oshkosh Racey x Chicks Donna), also at stud…..and Conched Out (Chevy Montecarlo x CC Sassy Sis), a little known but high-strike-rate sire, who is from the same branch of this extensive family, as is Reko Zema….as they each carry Ponca Sis as their 2nd dam.
Before their emergence, distinguished Wild Nancy family performers and breeders included….OK Troy (Rooster Cogburn x Wise Hanna), a Seabrook Great Race winner…… Kiowa Andrew (Oklahoma Randy x Sadie Cascade), a superb racer and sire….. LLs Doug (Douglas Chapin x LLs Deeny), who won over 100 races….. and Solomon Sol, by Johnny Leonard x Wild Nancy, the first great sire to emerge from this hugely influential family.
He’s My Man, the damsire to Reko Zema, brings in the redoubtable Wize Liz>Transpat family of the superb Gable Dodge into the mix. He’s My Man was a sire of accomplishment himself, being the damsire to, among others, the recently retired Dodgem By Design (Gable Dodge x Cruisin By Design), who defeated the great Talentedmrripley in stakes final competition.
Reko Zema’s sire is the enigmatic Mo Kick, a 3-time All American and captain of the team, who won over 100 races and is from the distinguished Irish female family of Sallys Gossip….also the family of the marvelous Share Profit (Monalee Champion x Ballybeg Pride), who is the 2nd damsire to He’s My Man.
rockingship
Jun 4 2003, 05:16 PM
Batman’s Mom
Reko Batman by Trouper Zeke x Marque Louisiana
The first thing that one notices about this pedigree is the inbreeding to the fine greyhound Wincarnis, who is the sire of each of Reko Batman’s parents. This is an unusually close breeding.
Reko Batman descends from the female family Headstrong, whom we have previously discussed, and who is the direct female family ancestor to American Derby winner Golden In and the fine sire, Electric Torch…..and also to Flying Clem, who is the 2nd damsire to Mo Kick, the sire of Reko Zema.
Wincarnis, obviously the focus of the pedigree of Reko Batman, carries the great Miss Gorgeous as 2nd dam……Miss Gorgeous is probably the most influential female from our most influential domestic female family, that of the great Royal Princess.
The fact that he is also by one of the all time great track greyhounds who ever drew breath, Ks Flak, makes me believe that the 2x2 inbreeding to Wincarnis might have been designed to intensify the presence of Gorgeous Babe (Chief Havoc x Daisy Rock), who is the dam of Tell You Why----the sire of Miss Gorgeous---and to Magic Babe, a sibling to Tell you Why, and the sire of Elsie Moss---who is the dam of Max Moss, the damsire to Ks Flak.
And we can see this same dynamic at work, via SS Jeno, maternal grandsire to Trouper Zeke-----SS Jeno’s damsire is another Rocket Jet/Gorgeous Babe sibling, Metal Jet…..
Trouper Zeke, for his part, is from a very strong Irish family, linked to matriarch Cottage Daisy….this is also the family of Sunbow and Air Patrol, brothers by Prairie Flash X Dainty Sister, who were very influential sires in the USA, during the 1970s.
Note: as a bit of an editorial comment here, Batman’s Mom…..it strikes me as curious as to why the breeder did not breed Marque Louisiana to Mo Kick (who share a number of pedigree commonalities)----what a splendid pedigree that would have been-----use the “testmating” function at greyhound-data.com to see what I mean.
rockingship
Jun 5 2003, 06:39 AM
Angel Whispers
Rainier Restive by EJs Douglas x Rainier Rowanda
This greyhound could well be a bit of a “snob”….particularly if she realizes that she is from perhaps the most regal strain of perhaps the most regal family in the greyhound racing world.
Rainier Rowanda carries Monalee Tiny (Prairie Flash x Sheila At Last), the half sibling to none other than Monalee Champion (Crazy Parachute x Sheila At Last), as her 6th dam. This makes her a member of the same direct branch of the family of the dog who is arguably the greatest sire who ever lived.
Simply try to find a modern day pedigree of a top racer in Ireland, the UK or the US, which does not contain an infusion of Monalee Champion---or one of his siblings…..it’s like trying to find hogs in tuxedos……
The matriarch of this family, Sheila At Last (The Grand Prince x Last Landing), had successful litters by 3 different sires, and many of those offsprings were not only fine racers, but influential breeders….but none could even dream of what influence Monalee Champion, an English Derby winner, was to exert upon the breed, here and in Europe. Incidentally, as a matter of interest, Monalee Champion's sire, Crazy Parachute----is from the same female family that gave us 2 time All American Team Captain, the recently retired-to-stud Talentedmrripley (Greys Statesman x Oneco Malee).
We can’t begin to do Monalee Champion justice in these short frames, but in the USA, he is either the sire or the grandsire to about 500 stakes competitive or stakes winning greyhounds, among them, the great Wild Breeze (Ostracized x All Heart), Spartan Sun (Share Profit x Smooth Marie), winner of the Wonderland Derby, All American captain, WDs Chris (Fast Company x Hill Gale), and the imported Can’t Decide (Monalee Champion x Doon Road Fly), winner of the first Hollywood World Classic……the list is enormous, but to synopsize-----Share Profit (Monalee Champion x Ballybeg Pride) has been our most prolific carrier of Monalee Champion blood.
One might expect that with the emergence of a sire of this profound influence, that the female family’s prospects might be somewhat compromised------and indeed, there has been some compression. But the family has persevered------some would say even flourished----in spite of its astonishing success through male carriers of the family.
And here in the US, from the female family of Sheila At Last, we see Elegant Eli (King Kev x OKs Plead), a contemporary sire of some note……Ski’s Gallo (My Unicorn x Sweet Deal), an All American, and also a sire of some repute……and the stunning and aspiring sire, Prima Gold Tone (Molotov x Golden Bea)….(get a look at this fellow on greyhound-data.com)
Damsire to Ranier Restive, Aus Ready Freddie, is an Australian, and is from the female family that is represented today----both down under and in the US, thanks to the miracle of frozen semen technology----by the extraordinary racer and young sire, Dalalla (Worthy Reward x Alaureena).
EJs Douglas, sire of Rainier Restive, is a 2-time Rural Rube Award winner as the best sprinter in America, and yet another member of the Royal Princess family-----which might very well be our domestic counterpart to the Irish family of Sheila At Last-----and her son, Monalee Champion…..who, just in case you hadn’t noticed, is the damsire to Wild Breeze....the damsire to Hey Vern.....who is the damsire to EJs Douglas.
rockingship
Jun 5 2003, 01:28 PM
Note: "....Hey Vern.....who is the damsire to EJs Douglas."
sorry.....that sould read, "Hey Vern....who is the SIRE of EJs Douglas."
greyhoundlov
Jun 5 2003, 01:34 PM
QUOTE(rockingship @ May 31 2003, 12:48 AM)
Scs Mask Rider, the sire of Street Magic, was a Rural Rube Award Winner, and is one of the last direct female line descendents of Twinkles Girl-----who was the dam of Butterflies, one of the most important brood matrons in the history of the American Racing Greyhound.
named Faithful Message.
Rider ran here at Gulf Greyhound. He was an outstanding runner.
greyhoundlov
Jun 5 2003, 01:37 PM
QUOTE(rockingship @ Jun 2 2003, 09:17 AM)
This family today, is represented by the active racers, the excellent Gable Judges and Gable Revelation (Gable Dodge x CJ Wake Up Grace), who might be worth keeping an eye on....as they share with EG Raisin Bran, the common family ancestor Brose, who is their 3rd dam, and the 2nd dam to EG Raisin Bran.
This is part of the bible litter from the Gable Kennel who used to run here at Gulf. They moved to Wheeling...
Guest_Goodguy
Jun 5 2003, 02:05 PM
Leo's Midas & Starlight Classy belonged to James O'Donnell
rockingship
Jun 5 2003, 02:28 PM
Angel Whispers
Cals Madhatter by My Rooster x My Chantily
The Kinto Girl>Michigan Vickey family from which Cals Madhatter descends, can be traced back to an 1841 female named Gossamer, making it one of the most well-documented families we have on record. That is not necessary for our purposes here, because this family continues to electrify the greyhound world, through the racing performances of it’s many fine members, some of whom are held in the highest echelons of racing performance history.
The emergence of Hall of Fame stayer Ps Rambling (Profits Andy x Ps Skelly) alone would have been enough to sanctify this family in the minds and hearts of the breeding community, but it has done more than that. PL Greer (SS Jeno x Colonel Vickey), an American Derby winner in 1977, and a 2 time Flashy Sir Award winner, had emerged prior to Ps Rambling.
And before that, we saw the emergence of Wade Tray Ample Time x Silver Tray), a perennial stakes competitor, a sire of some importance, and the damsire to 1978 national win leader Merlin C Miller.
Today we see Ps Raising Cain (Raising Dust x Ps Fulbright) carrying the family torch, near the top of the sire standings for several years running. Beckam Pay Day (Jocks Warrior x Twistee), a Rural Rube Award winner, is also from the direct Michigan Vickey branch of this family from which Cals Madhatter also descends. Currently active as a racer, is Portland stakes winner BF Harvey (CJ Pepto Geno x Turkee Jerky).
Damsire to Cals Madhatter, HBs Commander, a dominant sire in the recent history of breeding, brings in several doses of the Miss Judy family, through his tail female line, and through the his sire Akbar, who is also from this family----which we have elaborated upon in several other of these articles.
The regally bred My Rooster is from the storied Inler May family of Ireland, and through Pat Dalton’s Maythorn Pride, and her “blue hen” daughter, Miss Hilary……who is the 2nd dam to My Rooster and the dam of Planet Boy, the 2nd damsire to Cals Madhatter.
My Bocephus, the sire of My Rooster, carries Rooster Cogburn, a son of Miss Gorgeous and a foremost exponent of the Royal Princess family, as his damsire……his sibling, Sand Man, is the sire of Miss Hilary.
That is some fine linebreeding.
AngelWhispers
Jun 6 2003, 04:34 AM
Thank You so much! I feel like a proud momma! Reading about everyone's dogs is fascinating. Thanks again.
rockingship
Jun 6 2003, 06:29 AM
Jo Ann Suave
Nitro TB Boss by Wigwam Hoss x TB Black Wind
This is an interesting pedigree, and the female family is a “homebred” branch of the great Fawn Rita family.
The crowning achievement of this particular branch, is the sire Chief Cash by Rocket Fire x Clara Cluck, who is also the 8th dam to Nitro TB Boss…..and Chief Cash was the 2nd damsire to Hollywood World Classic winner Banker Hap. …(Chief Cash is also the 3rd damsire to Wallace and Fleet Champ, about whom I have written a short story, which I posted somewhere on Greytalk, a while ago, under the title “Roman Noses and Roamin’ Noses”).
At any rate, the greater family of Fawn Rita is truly an American Classic, and to brag on it a bit more, as we had previously alluded to it in earlier posts, today we see the fine sire and great open stakes racer and winner, Flying Penske (Oshkosh Racey x She’s A Natural) and the superb Gable Vermillion, the Great Race Champion of a year ago, as the family’s torch-carriers.
The nice stakes competitor of the late 80s, Amarillo Cajun, is out of Gay Speedster, a half sister to Cajun Scholar, the 4th dam to Nitro TB Boss.
Damsire Oshkosh Racey is from the highly influential Promesse family, which is the taproot of many of the greyhounds who carry the “Oshkosh” prefix, and also Evening Memory and Rocksteady Eddie, brothers by HBs Commander x Morning Memory, who are very successful sires. Racey, as we have noted, is the sire of Flying Penske of the Fawn Rita family, so we see the same Promesse/Fawn Rita “nick” in the pedigree of Nitro TB Boss.
Sire Wigwam Hoss is from a small family of greyhounds, tracing to Flashy Betty (of unknown origin), and which had its heyday of sorts in the 70s, with the emergence of the sire Mar Ocolo (Mar Heat x Lulu Mohegan), who was the 2nd damsire to the great stakes racer and leading sire of his time, Sandy Printer (Yellow Printer x Sandy Sails).
Rifemeir, another member of this family, was the sire of American Derby winner June’s Tuffy, out of Cool June.
Wigwam Hoss carries Vainlla Fire (Highway Robber x Winter Dee) as his 2nd dam……Winter Dee is the dam of Straight Thru, the half brother to Vanilla Fire----and a multi-stakes winner and Rocky Mt. Sprint Champ, as well as a fine sire ----Straight Thru is the 3rd damsire to Nitro TB Boss.
rockingship
Jun 6 2003, 03:16 PM
Brocks Dad
Rockette Lante by JRs Vigilante x Pet Rockette
I don’t have any info on Oregon Liz, who is listed as the 4th dam to Rockette Lante----only that Oregon Liz is Irish----which is not notated on greyhound-data.com……nevertheless, I recognize this as the female family of Summa Sonic by the great, underrated stakes racer and sire, Summa Cum Laude, and out of Nancy Sue----who is the 3rd dam to Rockette Lante. Summa Sonic sired the good campaigner, Rudie Rose (x Designer Rose), who was also a sparingly bred, but useful sire.
Damsire Rocky T, however, is from a family that is very well known, as it yet another branch of the extraordinary Royal Princess family, and this branch comes down to us directly through 1953 American Derby winner, However (Oklahoman x Gay Glitter), who is the 4th dam to Rocky T-----who was a stakes campaigner and finished 2nd in the 1978 Hollywood World Classic, to Cousins Elite.
Others who descend directly from the However>Gay Glitter branch of Royal Princess include 100 race winner SomethingVelvet (Great Escape x Mat Velvet)….. Sunbow’s Best (Sunbow x LBs Dallas Girl) who was a stakes campaigner and the sire of some influence, found today in the pedigrees of Fortified Speed and his brother Fortified Power, as well as the pedigrees of Evening Memory, a contemporary sire of some repute, through Sunbow's Best "best" son, the powerful Big Ziggy (x Karla Jones)…..and by Madison Joe and his brother, Madison Joker (Venerated x Wonder Yet), well known and respected racers in Florida, and important sires in their own right----the latter being the damisre to Jamie’s Lane, a multiple stakes and Great Race winner of the early 80s, and a winner of the Rural Rube Award.
JRs Vigilante, the sire of Rockette Lante, is from an Australian family, which is the family of Ungwilla Lad, the sire of Black Aztec, an Aussie import of the 80s, who enjoyed a successful career here in the US. In Australia, it is the family of Zulu Moss, a dam of great reknown and the direct family of stakes racers and/or sires Casino Tom, Toss the Teddy and before them, the powerful Zimbabwe and Chief Dingaan. Today, in the US, this family is being expressed by the superb stakes racer and All American, Gable Oscar (Gable Dodge x Gable Raquel), who will, most likely begin, if he hasn’t already, what figures to be a promising career at stud.
BrockGusDad
Jun 6 2003, 03:58 PM
Thank you so much for the info on Brock (Rockette Lante)!
rockingship
Jun 6 2003, 04:35 PM
Paula
Blazing Diablo by Blazing Desire x Blazing Brandy
Blazing Diablo is from the female family of Norma Piper, the matriarch of the track dogs from it. It is a family we have previously discussed and the family of some amazing greyhounds----foremost among them, the sire Electric Torch (Don’t Bother x Jeanerett), who is the last remaining link to the contemporary members of the Johnny Leonard sireline----Johnny Leonard being the sire of none other than Kinto Nebo.
The Johnny Leonard sireline suffered the same sort of compression as did the direct family of Kinto Nebo female descendents, as a result of the astonishing success of Kinto Nebo’s male offsprings, Westy Whizzer and his siblings and half siblings.
Galena and Bacnine, (as was Tuffolo before them) are the last hopes for the historic Johnny Leonard sireline, and we have every confidence that the former 2 will succeed, as has Tuffolo (Public Figure x Fuera).
Other members of this female family include American Derby winner Golden In, and Hy’s Black Flash, a Grady Sprint Champ, who had a career as a sire in Australia.
This classy pedigree is enhanced even further, by the infusion of All American and fine sire, Perceive, in the damsire slot to Blazing Diablo.
He brings in the family of Kit’s Image, the sibling to Hall of Fame dam, My Kit.
Lucky Carmel, the dam of Perceive, is the full sibling to Kunte Kinte (SS Jeno x Lucky Terra), who history is proving to be one of the great damsires in breeding. Not surprising, given the “Hall of Fame” roots of the family he is from.
Sire of Blazing Diablo, Blazing Desire, is still active, and in my humble opinion, is among the finest examples of racing greyhound conformation that I have seen recently.
He is from the distinguished Irish coursing family of Clounanna Sandills, also the family of Luskey Castle (Mortor Light x Up Dinky Up), an imported stakes competitor of the 70s, and the damsire to the outstanding sire, Solitary Runner (HBs Commander x Little Miss G).
Blazing Desire’s littermate, Pioneer Pride, was a Wonderland Derby winner, and the other littermates were outstanding racers in their own right.
LynnM
Jun 6 2003, 10:54 PM
and GAWD I would give my right arm to have Blazing Desire as a pet after he is retired- lookswise, Joplin (who is BD's younger half-brother, TM's Pontiac) is practically his twin. Nothing like a matched set of greyhounds

Lynn
rockingship
Jun 7 2003, 05:00 AM
Have you looked at Prima Gold Tone?...he's on the database....
rockingship
Jun 7 2003, 06:54 AM
Lorca
Akins Ruby by Twilite Reward x Rare Jewel
The female family of Akins Ruby traces back all the way to 1830, and a female named Fly. It is an extremely large family of greyhounds, and has several branches---the main one in Australia....though it appears to have originated in the UK.
It first expressed itself in the US, via the sire Heavy Weapon (Wartnaby x Garbitas) who was the grandsire to Meadows (Husky Whisper II x Epergne) our first great sire of track racing greyhounds.
In 1950s America, it further expressed itself through the great Ample Time (Mixed Harmony x Vigorette), a sire of unusual influence, and before that, a racer of uncommon class.
Ample Time is the sire of the hugely influential Venerated (x Viewed)---Venerated’s many successful and influential offsprings include American Derby winner SS Jeno, and sire champion Caprioled ……. the brothers My Friend Lou and Sought After, the former of whom is the sire to Friend Westy, the sire of all the great Miss Gorgeous offsprings we have alluded to in these threads….and the former of whom is the damsire to Woodward, the damsire to Dutch Bahama----a 2-time American Derby winner, and an historically important sire in his own right.
Interestingly enough, it is Dutch Bahama who is the 2nd damsire to Akins Ruby,…and it is Caprioled who is the sire of Wild Nancy family members, LLs Zombie--- the 3rd dam to JK Tito, the damsire to Akins Ruby----and of LLs Zane, who is both the damsire to Willie Hondo, paternal grandsire to Akins Ruby….and the 3rd damsire to Twilite Reward, the sire of Akins Ruby.
Today, the female family of Akins Ruby is carried on through the Walton Beauty (UK) branch, which comes to us from Australia, via Milda, whose dam, Night Style, was an import.
American Derby runnerup, NRs Fast Eddie, now at stud, is also a member of this branch.
The other American branch of this family, from Elizabeth Pesek, gave us the powerful stakes racers and excellent sires, MCs Dutchmaster and MCs Grandmaster, brothers by Sandy Printer x Mulled.
Sire Twilite Reward brings in the great Michigan Vickey branch of the Court Ace family-----the family of American Derby winner PL Greer, and Hall of Fame stayer, Ps Rambling.
Akins Ruby has some real history makers in her background.
Lorca
Jun 8 2003, 04:28 AM
Thanks so much.... you should start a business providing this service. One of the pleasures of being a grey-owner is exploring the lore of our dogs.... the history intangibly adds to the experience of parenting one of these dogs.
heck, I can't even trace my own lineage back to 1830.
Two questions if you have the time: could you offer a brief explanation of compression as well as its effects? have you any recommended readings to further sate our appetites?
rockingship
Jun 8 2003, 05:39 AM
Any of Gary Guccione's books, which are purchasable through the NGA, are the definitve works on the subject....and if you want to really dig into the roots, look for a rare copy of Stonehenge Greyhounds----which occasionally show up in "rare book" sales or stores----and are very expensive....the last one I saw was going for $300+ ....
Lines are compressed due to the fact that some of them produce the dominant sires of an era.....so individuals from those familes, if they are not incestuously inbred, are deprived of having access to the sires from their own close relatives, who have demonstrated adaptation and prepotency which is more advanced or superiior to their peers, and so have to settle for something "less than the best"....so the female family does not always receive the benefit of its own prepotency, and other familes outpace their level of adaptation for several generations....sometimes to the eventual "breeding out" of an entire branch----or in the case of a small family----even an entire family. ...which is when no more females are left which have thrown useable daughters for breeding. It appears that the direct Lahoma Judy branch of the family of Lucky Bannon----whose dam is Valoretta----is on the verge of breeding out in tail female of females.....Lucky Bannon, an American Derby winner, was a dominant sire of his time. There is a sire, named Task Laser Beam, a well-performed racer, who has a chance to do something about it, but I am not sure of the prospects of females from the direct line----so it could breed out....
rockingship
Jun 8 2003, 06:13 AM
.....and that is one reason why it is important to understand the familial members and their inter-relationships----as a line can often be strenghtened by an infusion of another branch of the same taproot----as in the case of HBs Commander----whose sire and dam are each from the different branches of the Miss Judy family.
rockingship
Jun 8 2003, 01:31 PM
Jodyksam
Island Daisy by Bee Lite x No Fruit
Unfortunately I have no information on the dam of Island Daisy. So we won't be able to tell what family Island Daisy descends from....but we can and will look at her sire, Bee Lite, who is very interestingly bred.
He comes from a long line of Miss Judy family greyhounds, through 5th dam Mary Moore, who was the dam of Boga, a winner of the Wonderland Derby, by President Day.
We can notice immediately the combination of the siblings Lucky Carmell and Kunta Kinte, by SS Jeno x Lucky Terra, in the 2nd remove of his dam, Betty Bee, who was a member of the super “litter of the century”, by Perceive x Buzz Off, which included All Amercians Blendway and Bartie.
His sire, Butter Lite, is descended from the same branch of the Miss Judy family as is his dam….each of them tracing to Lena Moore as their 5th and 6th dam, respectively. SS Jeno’s full sibling, SS Joni, is the dam of Bannon’s King, a Wonderland King and Queen’s Stakes Champion, and the damsire to Butter Lite……Lucky Bannon, the damsire to Kunta Kinte and Lucky Carmell, is also the sire of Bannon’s King….
Butter Pat, the sire of Butter Lite, brings in yet another branch of the Miss Judy family, through Beauty Reed, which is the branch of former Lincoln 3/8ths track record holder, the major stakes-placed Bubbling Beauty (Ks Flak x Jolly Reid) .
In addition to Bee Lite, who is still active, the Mary Moore branch of the Miss Judy family is well-entrenched in the blood of many of our contemporary high-echelon performers….thanks to the remrkable fremales Buzz Off and Benatar (Bee Lite's 2nd and 3rd dams), and is represented also, today, by the sire Betty N Ed (Bar Blur x Betty Bee), a half sibling to Bee Lite….and by 1993 Hollywood World Classic winner, By Tar (Big Tar x Bylass).
rockingship
Jun 8 2003, 06:10 PM
Doc’s Mom
Fran’s Doc Lille by Design Time x Tracys Buddy
We no sooner mention it, then it appears…..the greater female family here, is one that can be traced back to a pre-track racing female named More Expense, of unknown origin, but whose descendents include some of the more legendary greyhounds in the American paradigm…..among them, Ks Flak (Onie Jones x Montague Memory), a sprinter, stayer and sire of great power, and a Wonderland Derby winner……Lucky Bannon (Michigan Jack x Valoretta), an American Derby winner and a dominant sire in his era…..and Hoefer (Tell You Why x Nettler), the sire of Onie Jones and his siblings, Kelly and Ruth….all extremely important producers, and Ruth, a Wonderland Derby winner, no less.
While there are perhaps several branches to this family, the taproots are among the most prolific of our domestics….the family diverged into 2 distinct branches with the emergence of Pass Down (Upsidedown x Lady Squeers), which is the main branch of Ks Flak, Lucky Bannon and Hoefer…..and then we have the Irresistible branch (KC Byers x Ruby Ru), who is the direct female line to Frans Doc Lille.
Other descendents of Irresistible are the great damsire New World (Happy Yet x Irish Ruby), who counts among his daughter’s progeny, Lucky Terra, the dam of Kunte Kinte and Lucky Carmell.... Rising Queen, an American Derby winner.....and the superb Raynham Derby winner, Tuf Miler, also an All American Team captain, and a terrific sire in his own right----having sired the "scary fast" American Derby winner, Mr. Wizzard….
….another Irresistible family member is the fine racer and a leading sire of the 70s, Bulleree (Julius Caesar x Zipperee)….as well as Dot’s Doll (Westy Whizzer x Real Great), who was a Taunton Gold Collar winner.
Today this branch of a much larger family, appears to be represented by the sparingly bred WRs Z Rudy (Rudy Vallie x Cas Cricket).
Lifelong Buddy, the damsire to Frans Doc Lille, brings in the phenomenal Maythorn Pride branch of the Inler May family, through Maythorn’s greatest daughter, Miss Hilary. This is the family of Fortress and My Rooster, contemporary sires of influence----among many, many others.
Design Time is from the Wise Liz branch of the powerful Transpat family, which we have discussed at length in other articles, but which is beautifully represented in modern pedigrees by He’s My Man and Right Connection (Firelite x Beau Liz) a brother team of sires who have left their mark….and by aspiring sires, the American Derby winning Deuces Wild (Molotov x Pookys Rowdy), the classy Ole Harry (Wigwam Wag x Bitsy Liz) who is bred similarly to the sire sensation, Gable Dodge (Wigwam Wag x CJ Ima Bahama) also a member of the greater female family of Transpat.
rockingship
Jun 9 2003, 05:20 AM
Blitzen&Simone
Ardon Zinger by Kid Octane x Roundabout Nasa
The first thing that one notices about this pedigree is the aggressive inbreeding to Rooster Cogburn (Friend Westy x Miss Gorgeous) who is the sire of Roundabout Nasa and the maternal grandsire to Kid Octane.
Rooster Cogburn was a racer of extraordinary tenacity, desire and speed. He is among the greatest of greyhounds to ever emerge in the US, and unquestionably the best track dog from the legendary cross of Friend Westy, of the Kinto Nebo branch of the Dawn Tullera family, and Wayne Strong’s Miss Gorgeous, of the Royal Princess family, whose 3 matings together produced several tremendous racers and/or breeders the likes of whom are seldom seen…..and their offsprings include Highway Robber, Fruit Float, Miss Westy, Angola, Gambling Fever, Prairie Dog and Sand Man---- the latter having single-handedly revolutionized the Irish greyhound as a sire of influence theretofore unseen, except for the likes of Monalee Champion himself.
Rooster, though a perennial stakes competitior, All American and winner of the rich West Virginia Sheehan Sprint Classic, is better remembered for two of the races he lost, than for any of the many races races he won, nearly always against the best of his generation.
For it was Rooster’s great fortune or misfortune----depending on your perspective----to have emerged from the same crop as a son of Big Whizzer and the previously unheralded brood matron, Hookers Flower-----the invincible Downing---his arch rival.
Downing was born to be a star, and he was perhaps the brightest ever to light up the skies of the greyhound racing world. He burst upon the scene in the Hollywood World Classic of 1977, after having but TWO official races----a maiden and grade D affair-----and immediately---in an unprecented career move---- took on the very best the country had to offer, in the grueling 9 round elimination World Classic----the most coveted trophy that a sprinter might win in the US.
Downing , amazingly, ran away and hid from the best greyhounds in the country, despite his lack of experience, which cost him but one defeat at the hands of the superstars of his era, on his way to a resounding, historic victory in the World Classic final-----Downing never ran in a grade C or a grade B race in his life!
He did, however, run in 2 historic, riveting, gut-wrenching match races with Rooster Cogburn------and won them both……the second, narrowly…. and Rooster was, as no less of a judge than Don Cuddy, the trainer of Downing, admiringly mentioned…..”….a ragin’ bull of a dog…..he never knew he was beaten….”
Cuddy later handled Rooster during his win in the West Virginia Classic, and remarked to me after their well-earned victory….”I never saw a dog who had so many nagging, old injuries, who could run any harder or more gamely than Rooster Cogburn…..he was a revelation. He would run through a brick wall.”
Rooster enjoyed a fine career as a sire, and as luck would have it, at the time, he played “second fiddle” to Downing again. It is hard to say which of them exerts a more profound an influence upon greyhounds in the contemporary world, but they are both remembered fondly by this writer, and all who knew them or of them---as anyone with even a casual familiarity with pedigrees, certainly does. Ardon Zinger is a direct male line descendent of Downing.
But I digress.
Ardon Zinger is from an old Irish coursing line, which can be traced back to a female named Kalendar.
It was first brought to America, to my knowledge, by the late Wesley Lowrance of Kansas….whose imported Odessa Girl, by English Derby winner Own Pride x Silver Bell, was a nice stakes competitor during the early 70s at Taunton and St Petersburg.
She is the female line behind the contemporary sires Chet (Understood x Sterrett)----who assumed sire duties in Ireland after being caught on the last stride, in his bid for the American Derby trophy. Chet is the damsire to last year’s Irish Derby winner, the freakishly fast Bypass Byway.
If I may interject…..one of my pets was a son of the great Sterrett, a daughter of Odessa Girl, and the dam of Chet----who was a half to my friend Modac, aka “Mac”…..one of the most memorable and admirable individuals, man or dog, I have ever had the great good fortune to encounter.
Crystal Firelight (He’s My Man x Coastal Grape) carries the family colors today, as does Ardon Tailor (Tipp Lad x Ardon Cher), the sire of Raynham Sprint Champion, Carolina Byte.
Ardon Zinger and Ardon Tailor are family-related by their full sibling 2nd dams….Kayas Lance (a Hollywood World Classic runnerup) and Kayas Spear, by Oshkosh Caesar x Borrowing Power.
In Ireland, Whisper Wishes (Sand Man x Micklem Drive) was a damsire of some influence, and also from this female family of Kalendar, and is the sire of Westmead Move, the damline beneath Hollywood World Classic winner Flying Earnhardt (by Flying Penske).
Kid Octane is from the Alice Trader branch of the Handy Nebo>Dawn Tullera family, and contributes an infusion of the siblings Carry On and Target (Westy Whizzer x Bob’s Vickie), via his dam, Whitney Wins. Carry On was a Biscayne Derby champ, a leading sire in his day, and is from the Fawn Rita family. Target was a fine racer and sire in his own right.
rockingship
Jun 10 2003, 06:44 AM
Laurie
Chata Beatrice by Pat C Best Yet x Conchata
I have spent the better part of the early morning and an hour or so tonight searching old periodicals, trying to find mention of Dancing Dina, the 6th dam to Chata Beatrice, to orient the female family-----as by the outstanding procession of damsires above the bottom line of this pedigree---somebody must have thought something of her----and of the family. Unfortuantely, my efforts proved fruitless.
There is little documentation of it on the database, so we will proceed assuming that it is an obscure branch of a greater female family.
If we start with Dancing Dina, we see the first documented infusion is of Andy Park, the sire of Julie S, the 5th dam to Chata Beatrice. Andy Park (Russ Park x Handy Judy) was a half sibling to 1952 American Derby winner, and Hall of Fame racer and sire, On The Line (Creekmore x Handy Judy).
Andy Park was from the female family of Chocolate Candy, a branch of the Royal Princess clan, and the family also of another Hall of Famer, named Lucky Pilot (Never Roll x Dixie By). Lucky Pilot was a legend in his own time, and a sire of extrordinary prepotency.
Today, the Chocolate Candy family is best expressed through the 2 time American Derby winner, Dutch Bahama----who, while not a member of this family, carries 2 doses of it, via his paternal grandsire Trap Rock (Tell You Why x Tumblers Twin) and his paternal first dam, Kahana (The Fakerogue x Snap Top), who are each Chocolate Candy family members.
Chocolate Candy is the direct female line ascendent of EAs Itzaboy (Oswald Cobblepot x San Tan Bomber), currently racing, and one of the finest active greyhounds in the country----a multiple stakes winner.
Julie S was mated to the great Fawn Rita family sire, Great Valor, by Mixed Harmony x Nobility-----whose damsire, Pageant, is by Lucky Pilot x Butterflies----one of the most important damsires from one of the most important matings in our racing history. Lucky Pilot reinforces the Chocolate Candy family of Andy Park----as he is also from it.
Indocin, the daughter of Great Valor and Julie S, was mated to Bill Moss, a son of the phenomenal Australian brood matron Elsie Moss (Magic Babe x Maggie Moss), whose sons Bill, Max, Thunderbolt, Mister, and Joe, who all shared the Moss surname, would have a profound effect on the American greyhounds of the 60s and 70s and beyond…..Max Moss is the damsire to no less a greyhound than the inimitable Ks Flak.
Indocin’s daughter, Hipcy, was put to Three Percent (so named, to publicize the 1975 kennel owner’s strike----the success of which was hinged upon the greyhound men getting “3%” of the “take”)…..Three Percent is from the female family of Kalendar, we have just discussed in the prior posting…..
Conchata, the dam of Chata Beatrice, is a daughter of the fine racer and sire, Nicky Finn----a son of Downing, from the female family of Culmore Silver---also the family of the ill-fated Count Rebel (Newdown Heather x Countess Venture), whom we have also previously discussed. Nicky Finn’s damsire is Summa Cum Laude, who was a fine racer and an under-appreciated sire….and who carries Great Valor as his damsire.
Pat C Best Yet is one of the most accomplished damsires in today’s overview, and descends from the Kathi Award family of American Derby winner, SS Jeno. Unruly Thomas (My Unruly Dan x Rattles) one of the nation's top sires, carries Pat C Best Yet as his damsire.
Metal Jet (Rocket Jet x Gorgeous Babe), the 3rd damsire to Pat C Best Yet, is a full sibling to Magic Babe---the sire of Elsie Moss. They are both full siblings to Tell You Why, who anchors the sireline of both Nicky Finn and Pat C Best Yet.
Toast The Prince, the maternal grandsire to Pat C Best Yet, is out of Burnt Toast----who is also the 3rd dam to Three Percent.
VERY nice stuff…..
rockingship
Jun 10 2003, 03:16 PM
Tallahasseegreys
Lake Erie Lady by FMCs Wake Up x Corelish Marcia
When Don Cuddy and I were breaking in and racing the offsprings of Maythorn Pride for the Pat Dalton kennel, during the heydays of racing at Wonderland in Revere----we had no inkling that we were handling some of the members of what would become a breeding dynasty. Shows what we knew.
Lake Erie Lady is a descendent of that great stakes racer and breeder, Maythorn Pride-----who was good enough on the track to have run Sandy Printer into submission in Biscayne stakes competition, which wasn’t supposed to happen.
We have already discussed the family of Inler May, from which Maythorn Pride is descended, but we can expand on her important contribution to the proliferation of this family’s many find descendents. Her descendents are numerous and highly influential on 3 continents.
Among them, in the USA, are the fine sire My Rooster (My Bocephus x Good Point) and his sibling My Mr Bocephus…..and of course, the great imported Fortress (Im Slippy x Exception), a perennial contemporary sire standings leader.
Fortress is the sire of the phenomenally fast Rural Rube award winning Its Aclevercatch (x Its Terbear), the brother tandem of Fortified Power and Fortified Speed (x Awesome Memory), the latter of whom has been exported to Australia as a sire, and up-and-coming young sires TNT Star Wars (x Greys Stardust) and Greys Flamebeau (x Greys Julianna)…..among many, many more, too numerous to detail here.
The recently retired-to-stud Dodgem By Design, conqueror of Talentedmrripley in stakes final competition, is a direct female family descendant of Maythorn Pride.
Damsire to Lake Erie Lady, Sail On II, is another of Dalton’s masterpieces, by the American Big Whizzer, and from the Irish family of Nelly Ply, which first had an impact on these shores via the contributions of the brothers, Sunbow and Air Patrol (Prairie Flash x Dainty Sister) who are important sires of the 70s and into the 80s….
…and if you look at the pedigree of the fine and underrated sire, Loxahatchee Dash (Costaud x Foxy Chic), you can see them working together as the superb damsires they were.
FMC’s Wake Up, the sire of Lake Erie Lady, is a member of the Fawn Rita family, through the Soxelyn branch, which is the direct branch of Johnny M (Johnny Leonard x Soxelyn) who is the 2nd damsire to Downing……who is the damsire to FMCs Wake Up.
rockingship
Jun 11 2003, 03:26 PM
Tallahasseegreys
Ode To Vixen by Flying Viper x KBs Trouble Be
This is an interesting family that we have not looked at yet, and it can be traced back to a female named Cosy, who must have appeared around the turn of the century, a century past.
There is a significant branch of it in Ireland, and it is the family of Tom’s The Best (Frightful Flash x Ladys Guest), a winner of both the English and Irish Derbies ( a phenomenal feat) and a top contemporary sire. His full sibling, Million Percent is currently at stud in the US.
In the USA, it is also the family of foundation sire, Wild Bill (Wild Gus x Lady Bug), who has an incredible 94 offspring listed on greyhound data----even though he was whelped in the early 1900s.
Jeno’s Leo Go, also from this family (SS Jeno x RLs Royal Missy) was a nice stakes competitor for Ross Lingle in the 70s, and perhaps an even better sire. His son, Oklahoma Randy (x Oklahoma Pam), was a Phoenix 3/8ths sensation in the 70s, and is the the paternal grandsire of the contemporary sire Mohican Yokel (Kiowa Andrew x Chicago Jill).
All American and Rural Rube Award winner Kiowa Sweet Trey and his littermate, American Derby winner Kiowa Sweet Joe (Oswald Cobblepot x TMs Sweet Dream), are the most recent members of this quality family, to have asserted its influence here in the USA. They are both now available to the racing greyhound breeder as sires.
Damsire KDs Monopoly carries River Dee (Monalee Flybolt x Irish Missy) as his 2nd dam, and she was a member of one of the greatest litters of the past quarter century, which included River Chief, a multiple stakes finalist and winner, River Lass and River Bolt. This is another branch of the Greysfeld family, which we have discussed before, and is the family of PL Greer and Ps Rambling.
Sire Flying Viper is out of the fine dam Win Jet, a half-sibling to Greys Statesman’s dam, Representation----a family that only a decade or so ago, was hanging on by a thread.