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zoolaine

Nov 1 2008, 05:41 PM

Ok my computer is going crazy so just read this first section. What raw meat or bones are dangerous to give to dogs? Also is there a supplement that raw feeders use to ensure their dogs are getting all the nutrients they need? Thanks, please ignore the next few pargraphs that somehow got qouted from another thread - weird

QUOTE(Ola @ Oct 30 2008, 11:57 AM)

QUOTE(Koalalou2 @ Oct 30 2008, 01:34 PM)

For those of you that feed raw, where do you feed your dog? I've been considering a switch for about a month and I'm going to start looking into it more now, but I don't know where I should feed them! I don't want a mess all over the house and I don't have much time in the mornings. Right now the two greys are fed in their crates and my brittany pup is fed next to them in the living room (she doesn't like her crate

). Its too cold to feed outside and they need to be separated because one guards her food and another eats slow and the third will try to help herself to everyone else's after she gobbles her up!

I have a very similar problem - Chaos is a food guarder (and stealer!) and eats very quickly, while Mayhem eats slower and gets twice as much so it takes him longer. I feed both in their crates, and I have to say, Mayhem does not like his crate due to SA. But now that he only goes in there for his dinner, he RUNS in there as soon as I pick up their food! He will even willingly go in at other times because it has a positive association now.

The crates at our house are in the spare bedroom, so what I do is put the chunks on a plate or big bowl (I've been known to pull a not-too-dirty plate out of the dishwasher cause it's just going back in after anyway) and carry it there. When I'm at the sink getting things ready they stand behind me and wait, but as soon as I pick up the bowl/plate they run up the stairs for their crates. DH has been in the way a couple of times and gotten trampled.

When visiting family we've fed on kitchen or bathroom floors (whatever is easy to clean) and it has worked fine also. But I like that I can close the crate doors and carry the dish to the sink,

We fed two meals with kibble, but when we went to raw I switched to once a day (evening). For time reasons and also because at the beginning I wanted to be home in case something new didn't agree with them so I could take them out to potty. Also feeding once a day lets you give them larger pieces so they get more chewing action - which helps with the dental cleaning benefits, and also gives at least a little challenge to my fast chewer.

taylorsmom

Nov 1 2008, 06:07 PM

People may have varying ideas about this, but from my research and experience with rawfeeding, no supplements are necessary as long as you feed a varied diet. By varied, I mean different animals as well as different types of meat, like organs as well as meaty bones.
The only restrictions I have experienced in terms of are there any types you shouldn't feed are--if your dog has specific food allergies (my Lab is really allergic to all poultry). The other restriction is in terms of size--for a large dog, especially if he or she is a "gulper"--the "rule of thumb" is to not feed anything smaller than their head, so they have to chew and work at it and will not just swallow things whole, reducing choking or blockage hazards.
Hope that helps!!

LokisMom

Nov 1 2008, 06:51 PM

You should not feed weight bearing bones. I feed chicken legs/quarters because chickens are wee but we do not give any kind of cow or pig leg bones. I've heard them called tooth wreckers.

We tend to stick with relatively soft bones because I am a worry wart so ours pretty much get chicken on the bone, maybe turkey and everything else off the bone. I'm too nervous hearing the very loud crunch of pork bone.

ahicks51

Nov 1 2008, 06:56 PM

I disagree that supplementation is not necessary. The quantity of iodine in bones and meat is so highly variable that one cannot reasonably ensure that sufficiency is met. Moreover, with factory farming, I doubt very much that poultry in particular has had its requirements for iodine met. As a result, I recommend supplementing with a small amount of kelp powder or other supplement containing iodine.

The National Research Council's numbers for iodine are substantially higher than one would expect. So, I throw in a little kelp powder once a week. No big deal.

BlackandBrindle

Nov 1 2008, 07:20 PM

The supplements we use are

Grizzly Salmon Oil (because finding affordable fish to feed the dogs is hard in Tucson)
SolidGold SeaMeal (kelp/iodine supplement)

Because of Sadie's valley fever I also supplement the homecooked with

Dancing Paws Shake N' Zyme (immuboost) and Wysong's AddLife (which contains ground bone and different extracts) to help with calcium.

I give JointOats for glucosamine/chondroitin- you can feed things like trachea and chicken feet for this as well.

I try not to feed any RMBs that are smaller than Roy's fist (chicken backs are the smallest we feed really) and I don't feed weight bearing bones of large animals, but I do for poultry and sometimes feed pork hocks (although they make me gag).

On a regular basis my pups get chicken, turkey, beef, pork, lamb, green tripe, sardines, tuna, and duck.

On a monthly basis they get lamb and rabbit.

taylorsmom

Nov 1 2008, 07:57 PM

Actually, I have heard that kelp supplementation (iodine) can be a big deal with regards to thyroid functioning. Since one of my dogs is low thyroid and on meds, I am very careful about adding kelp (I was giving it initially when I started rawfeeding and a vet told me to back it off). But I guess I do supplement with fish oil caps, 2000 mg per day--forgot about those. Also, I feed a combination of grassfed and organic meats as well as regular old supermarket stuff, and naturally raised rabbit and goat, so I am hoping it all evens out in the end!

Scouts_mom

Nov 2 2008, 05:22 PM

Do not give raw salmon--pacific salmon is poisonous to dogs and as you live in WA, that is what you would have access to.

tobinhr

Nov 2 2008, 05:49 PM

I don't feed weight-bearing bones in beef, turkey or pork. I do in chicken. When I process a whole turkey, I cook the legs and thighs as a special treat for Mac. (Of course, remove bones prior to feeding..) He won't eat the giblets unless they're cooked either, so in the pot they go.

As for supplements, I used to do more but for the past few years I have done the veggie slop and feed some commercial food. Mac (despite his recent problem) has been a picture of health. The last six years of his vet records show nothing but annual shots. He will get his first dental (at 9!) early next year.

Jan

Mac, the "refill the water bowl and fluff the pillow, thank you very much."

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